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howard dean is a fraud

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by TEARZ, Nov 7, 2003.

  1. TEARZ

    TEARZ Guest

    i've tried to respect people's views on this guy, but come on...

    check it...
    dude is trying to opt out of the public finance system so that he can take big corporate $$$ and become even more "electable." this after he swore on march 7 that he'd never do such a thing and that it was essential to reform elections and get big corporate interests out of the process... so he and his supporters are voting on this issue, as if the fact that he even brought up the issue didn't make him even more of a prevaricating sleaze...

    it baffles me that intelligent people support this dude.

    nevermind the false ads he did.
    or the confederate comments.
    or the 100% NRA approval.

    gimme a break.
  2. TEARZ

    TEARZ Guest

    yeah, aight.
  3. !@#$%

    [email protected]#$% Moderator Crew

    Joined: Oct 1, 2002 Messages: 18,517 Likes Received: 622
    a position change on nearly every important issue.

    can't this guy make up his mind about anything?

    hehehehehheeeee...'check it'


    DUCK: Dean Ducked Troops Question. "[Dean] repeatedly declined to say whether he thinks the United States should withdraw its troops immediately from Iraq, as some vocal war opponents urge. Responding to questions before and during the event, Dean declined to call for the troops’ return, saying he didn’t know the implications for geopolitics and soldiers’ safety and wasn’t privy to intelligence on the ground in Iraq. ‘I didn’t get us into this,’ Dean said. ‘Unfortunately, I’m not president now and I can’t get us out of this.’" (Joanna Weiss, "Dean Ducks Prescription For Quitting Iraq," The Boston Globe, 3/27/03)

    FLIP: Dean Then Berated Bush For Suggesting American Troops Could Come In 18 Months. "If the President thinks our troops will be out in 18 months, he is smoking something he forgot about when he was at Yale." (Rebecca Cook, "Howard Dean Rallies Supporters In Seattle," The Associated Press, 5/15/03)

    FLOP: Dean Said U.S. Should Not Pull Troops Out Of Iraq. "We can’t leave Iraq. We can’t pull out, because if we do that, chaos ensues or else a fundamentalist Shiite regime may arise with undo Iranian influence, both of which would be more dangerous than Saddam Hussein." (Howard Dean On CNN’s "Crossfire Goes Inside Politics," 9/1/03)

    FLIP: Only Three Days Later: In Debate, Dean Said Our Troops Should Come Home From Iraq. "We need more troops. They’re going to be foreign troops, as they should have been in the first place, not American troops. Ours need to come home." (Democrat Presidential Candidates Debate, Albuquerque, NM, 9/4/03)

    FLOP: Now Dean Says Just Some Troops Should Come Home. "Ultimately, over a period of time, assuming you can get the cooperation of the Europeans and others, I would like to reduce by half the number of troops the Americans have in Iraq and increase dramatically so that we get up to a troop strength of between 170,000 and 200,000 in Iraq." (NBC’s "Today Show," 9/8/03)


    July 2003: Dean Called For Strict American Labor Standards For International Trade. "Unlike U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, Dean doesn’t want to get rid of the North American Free Trade Agreement. ‘This trade is important to America. It’s important for our national defense,’ Dean said. ‘But we need the same labor standards in Mexico and China as you have in the United States, and the same environmental standards.’" (Lynn Okamoto, "Dean Calls Economy Top Issue For 2004 Race," The Des Moines Register, 7/19/03)

    Dean Backpedaled In Debate, Saying International Standards Could Work. LIEBERMAN: "[M]ay I say just briefly that Governor Dean … referred to American standards, not international standards." DEAN: "Either is fine with me." LIEBERMAN: "Well, then that’s a reassuring change of position." (Democrat Presidential Candidates Debate, Albuquerque, NM, 9/4/03)


    Summer 2003 Public Financing Flip-Flop: Dean "backed away from his pledge to adhere to spending limits, saying some advisers want to explore opting out of the Watergate-era public financing system because of his sudden fund-raising success. … ‘Could we change our mind? Sure,’ he said. … [In June,] "Dean signed a letter to the [Federal Election Commission] promising to abide by the program’s rules, including its spending limits." (Ron Fournier, "Dean Pulls Back On Spending Limits Pledge," The Associated Press, 8/15/03)


    July 2000 Public Financing Flip: "Gov. Howard Dean is challenging his Republican opponents to accept a $300,000 campaign spending cap even if a federal judge overturns the limit. … ‘This law is important in restoring public faith in the election process,’ Dean said in a prepared statement. ‘Vermonters need to know that their small donations are just as important as a $1,000 check from a multi-national corporation or PAC (political action committee).’ Dean said he was at a financial disadvantage, first because he had a lower spending limit as an incumbent, but also because he faced two challengers who were likely to have at least $300,000 apiece." ("Dean Challenges Republicans To Spending Limits," The Associated Press, 7/21/00)

    August 2000 Public Financing Flop: "Gov. Howard Dean abandoned public funding for his re-election campaign, saying he couldn’t take the chance he would be outspent 4-1 by his Republican opponent. Publicly financed campaigns were part of strict campaign finance reform legislation championed by Dean, who signed it into law in 1997. … Progressive Party gubernatorial candidate Anthony Pollina, the only candidate now using public funding, criticized Dean’s decision. ‘I am not surprised. In some way it shows his true colors,’ Pollina said. ‘Ultimately, it’s a victory for big money and bad for average citizens.’" (Wilson Ring, "Governor Abandons Public Funding," The Associated Press, 8/18/00)


    Dean Once Favored Lifting Cuba Embargo, Now Says It Would Be Wrong. "Howard Dean, who sells himself as the presidential campaign’s straightest shooter, is starting to throw voters some curves. … Last weekend, Dean shifted his position on the trade embargo against Cuba. Dean, who had supported rolling back the embargo to foment human rights improvements, said he has become convinced such a move would be unwise. Cuban Americans, who generally support the embargo, are an important voting bloc in several states, including Florida."(Jim VandeHei, "Dean Invites More Scrutiny By Switching Key Stances," The Washington Post, 8/30/03)


    1996 Governor Dean Yucca Mountain Flip: "I am urging you to support changes in the Nuclear Waste Policy Act that would ensure that the federal government meets its responsibility to electricity consumers to begin accepting spent fuel from commercial power plants in 1998. … Opponents assert that the shipment of nuclear waste is highly unsafe, but the facts prove otherwise. Over the past 30 years, more than 2000 shipments of spent nuclear fuel have been made on the nation’s highways and railways. No shipment has ever resulted in a release of radioactivity or public harm. [emphasis in original] … I sincerely hope you will support S. 1271 to establish an integrated spent fuel management program that includes a centralized, interim storage facility, continued site characterization of the potential repository at Yucca Mountain in Nevada, and an appropriate transportation system to move spent fuel." (Gov. Howard Dean, Letter To Sen. Patrick Leahy, 5/1/96)

    2003 Candidate Dean Yucca Mountain Flop: REPORTER: "As governor, you supported a plan to store the nation’s waste at Yucca Mountain, Nev. Do you still think this is a good solution?" DEAN: "As governor of Vermont, it was a grand idea because it would get the waste out of Vermont. But now that I’m running for president, I’ve got to reassess it and see what the science looks like." (Amanda Griscom, "Q&A: Howard Dean On The Environment," Alternet Website, www.alternet.org, Accessed 6/4/03)


    "Opportunist" Dean Now Supports The Death Penalty In Some Cases. "Vermont liberals say Dean’s governing history suggests more of a political tactician, a strategic opportunist who will ultimately run a campaign that inspires the middle as well as the left. … Some years back, [Dean] reversed his opposition to the death penalty and now supports it in some cases."(Terry M. Neal, "Will The Real Howard Dean Please Stand Up?" Washingtonpost.com, 7/31/03)

    In Disastrous ‘Meet The Press’ Appearance, Dean Admitted To Death Penalty Flip-Flop. "An appearance on ‘Meet the Press’ by Dr. Dean on Sunday, arranged by his aides as part of this announcement swing, turned into what even some Dean supporters described today as something of a debacle, highlighting many areas of attacks Dr. Dean would be subject to in a general election or a primary. … Dr. Dean also acknowledged that he had changed his position on the death penalty -- he now supports it in some cases, after once having been a strong opponent …" (Adam Nagourney, "After A Year Campaigning, Dean Officially Enters Race," The New York Times, 6/24/03)


    1994 Federal Medical Liability Reform Flip: DEAN: "We’ve absolutely got to have malpractice reform. Absolutely. And I think it ought to be done at the federal level. In fact, that’s- I think all 50 governors think that." (CNN’s "Viewers Call In With Health Care Questions," 7/18/94)

    2002 Federal Medical Liability Reform Flop: DEAN: "As a doctor, I’d love to have all kinds of malpractice reform. That is not the federal government’s business. This administration, for all its talk about states’ prerogatives and local control, doesn’t believe in it. They simply substituted conservative micromanagement for what used to be liberal micromanagement. It’s like gun control. That is a state matter, not a federal matter." (CNN’s "Capital Gang," 10/5/02)


    1995 Governor Dean Retirement Age Flip: DEAN: "Secondly, I am very pleased to hear Bob Packwood because I absolutely agree we need to … increase the retirement age. There will be cuts and losses of some benefits, but I believe that Senator Packwood is on exactly the right track. … " (CNN’s "Crossfire," 2/28/95)

    2003 Candidate Dean Retirement Age Flop: RUSSERT: "Would you raise [the] retirement age to 70?" DEAN: "No. No." (NBC’s "Meet The Press," 6/22/03)


    2002 Homeland Security Flip: Asked what he thought of the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, Dean said: "I don’t have a quarrel with bureaucracy. I wouldn’t do it that way, but I think everyone does their own thing. … I’m not going to attack the President for trying to create a homeland security office—it’s a reasonable thing to do." (Ann Rostow, "Give ‘Em Hell Howard," Texas Triangle, 9/5-10/02)

    2003 Homeland Security Flop: Howard Dean "‘says the creation of a homeland security department was a mistake and that Tom Ridge is the wrong man for the job.’ In an interview with CQ Homeland Security’s Freedman, Dean said: ‘I would not have created the Department of Homeland Security.’ He added: ‘Creating a new bureaucracy is rarely the actual solution to creating efficiency.’" ("Dean Takes On Homeland Security, Tom Ridge," The Hotline, 5/21/03)


    1995 Governor Dean Social Security Flip: "The way to balance the budget, Dean said, is for Congress to cut Social Security, move the retirement age to 70, cut defense, Medicare and veterans pensions, while the states cut almost everything else. ‘It would be tough but we could do it,’ he said." (Miles Benson, "And Politicians Wonder Why They Aren’t Trusted," Times-Picayune [New Orleans, La], 3/5/95)

    2003 Candidate Dean Social Security Flop: RUSSERT: "But you would no longer cut Social Security benefits?" DEAN: "But you don’t--no. I’m not ever going to cut Social Security benefits." (NBC’s "Meet The Press," 6/22/03)


  4. TEARZ

    TEARZ Guest

    well done [email protected]#$%.

    rage, dean isn't the only guy who can beat bush. with this shit he's pulling, he won't even come close. here comes the politics of electabilty again... jeezus... vote for what's fucking right.
  5. !@#$%

    [email protected]#$% Moderator Crew

    Joined: Oct 1, 2002 Messages: 18,517 Likes Received: 622
    is it so unbelievable that Dean could be almost as bad as Bush..
    maybe worse??

    at least with Bush it's the devil we all know..

    with Dean it's the devil who we don't know at all because he changes his mind on every issue according to popular opinion [at that moment]

    why not pick the best candidate possible instead of anyone who maybe has the money to equal bush's campaign?

    why not try to raise conciousness??

  6. !@#$%

    [email protected]#$% Moderator Crew

    Joined: Oct 1, 2002 Messages: 18,517 Likes Received: 622
    uh oh tearz, our ears are burning
  7. TEARZ

    TEARZ Guest

  8. Cracked Ass

    Cracked Ass Veteran Member

    Joined: Oct 24, 2001 Messages: 7,898 Likes Received: 47
    I used to be in the "get a third party in here" crew. Sadly, this election I'm going to have to turn my back on the idea and just vote for whoever the democrat is, just to get rid of Bush. He's that bad.
    My governor is not Jeb Bush so my vote has a chance of counting.
  9. mental invalid

    mental invalid Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 11, 2001 Messages: 13,050 Likes Received: 8
    for those of you who sorta know me, please dont hate me....but im afraid we are looking at another 4 more years of you know who....
  10. --zeSto--

    --zeSto-- Veteran Member

    Joined: Jul 12, 2000 Messages: 6,979 Likes Received: 2
    Just imagine what Bush will do when there's no chance of being
    re-elected because of term limits. A politician who doesn't need
    to worry about re-election is a very powerfull and scary man.

    I guess a bunch of you will be my neighbours before too long.
  11. !@#$%

    [email protected]#$% Moderator Crew

    Joined: Oct 1, 2002 Messages: 18,517 Likes Received: 622
    come on now..
    the election hasn't even happened yet.

    and more importantly, the next year hasn't either.

    iraq is far from over.
    he only needs to continue bungling that for a little while, more americans dying every day, popular sentiment will turn..
    someone on pbs noted last night that the iraqis understand the american democratic process..

    they know that more attacks now bodes poorly for bush next year..and continued occupation..

    bush is the type of guy who just needs enough rope.
    i'm hoping he's dangling by next summer.

    of course, it could all just be wishful thinking, in which case i'm back to detesting the lethargic, imperialistic american public..
  12. suicidebombr

    suicidebombr Member

    Joined: Aug 23, 2003 Messages: 979 Likes Received: 0
  13. mental invalid

    mental invalid Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 11, 2001 Messages: 13,050 Likes Received: 8
    witty im with ya mangs...

    its just everytime the dems open their mouth, all i can muster is D'OH!
  14. im not witty

    im not witty Guest

    i think your with someone else there mang, i havent said anything in this thread until now. thanks for the support anyway. hehe.

    i have my eye on our neighbor to the north if shit gets too out of hand.