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i know you all are sitting on the edges of your seats waiting for this update. i dug out my old mags and wow do i feel old. i think it's fixed up, now waiting on approval for it to be restored.

 

and i was right, no publisher listed for los vapors.

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ok it's become clear the references are not the actual problem.

thx innercityrebel, i don't think i need it since the existence of the mag and books doesn't seem to be the issue.

 

the admin that deleted the page doesn't think 12oz is important enough to have a wiki page on, after improving the article and adding ref's and all that shit, he won't put it back up because i don't have say, an article on 12oz from the new york times. it's complete bullshit.

 

here is the raw code for the old page

 

 

{{Infobox Magazine|

title = Twelve Ounce Prophet |

image = [[File:12ozprophet issue6-581x800.jpeg]] |

editor = Allen Benedikt |

frequency = Yearly |

category = [[Graffiti]] / [[street art]] / [[urban Culture]] |

company = AKANYC, LLC |

language = [[English language|English]] |

firstdate = 1993 |

country = United States |

website = [http://www.12ozprophet.com/ http://www.12ozprophet.com] |

}}

 

[[File:12ozprophet issue6-581x800.jpeg|thumb|right|200px|Cover art for 12ozProphet Issue #6, Summer 1998, Cover art by Os Gemeos and Allen Benedikt with graffiti handstyle logo by Bernie Perez (Crude Oil).]]

 

 

 

'''12ozProphet''', created in 1993, is an [[online magazine]] featuring articles, pictures, and interviews related to [[graffiti]]. In the past it was a print [[magazine]]; however, today it exists in the form of an online magazine with blogs, [[internet forum|online forum]] and store. <ref>www.12oz.com</ref>

 

==History==

 

12ozProphet Magazine was conceived in early 1993 by Allen Benedikt, while he attended the [[Rhode Island School of Design]]. The first issue of 12ozProphet was created as a design project for school credit and with the intentions of sparking competition among the graffiti [[zine]]s of the time.

 

Midway through development of the third issue, Caleb Neelon, a comparative classic literature major attending nearby [[brown University]] joined the team as [[copy editor]]. Cody Hudson also joined as a chief collaborator. By the time it was published, the magazine had come into its own. The issue was among the earliest interviews with [[barry McGee]] (also known as ''Twist''), who was largely unknown outside of [[san Francisco]] at the time. <ref>Twelve Ounce Prophet Magazine, Issue 3, Straight From the Bottom, 1996</ref>

 

Benedikt, Hudson, and Neelon continued their work with the magazine for another several issues, until releasing the sixth issue in 1998. The main feature of this issue was a feature on twin brothers from [[são Paulo]], [[brazil]], calling themselves [[Os Gêmeos]], who had been introduced to Benedikt by [[barry McGee]] several years earlier. This issue had the first interview of Os Gêmeos, and also the first images of their artwork shown outside of [[south America]]. The sixth issue was the last to be released, and the first to list the URL of the website. <ref>http://slamxhype.com/art-design/12ozprophet-circa-1997-brazil-graffiti-film/</ref><ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Os_G%C3%AAmeos</ref><ref>Twelve Ounce Prophet Magazine, Issue 6, 12ozProphet, 1998</ref>

 

In 2000, the same crew behind 12ozProphet released a new [[zine]] entitled, ''TheVapors Project'', which focused entirely on the illegal aspects of graffiti, as opposed to the artistic side that had been thoroughly documented in 12ozProphet. It is unknown why 12ozProphet Magazine never saw another issue after #6, or why TheVapors Project never continued past the premier issue.<ref>The Vapors, theVapors/12ozProphet, 2000</ref>

 

Paralleling their work with 12ozProphet Magazine, the crew also founded the first major graffiti [[mail order]] company operating under the name ''Straight From The Bottom'' (a name also sued as the publisher of the early issues of the magazine, presumably in reference to its geographic location in [[Miami]]) in 1994. This company eventually evolved into ''7th Heaven'' several years later after expanding beyond graffiti paraphernalia to also include early street wear brands, books, and other products with a broader appeal. 7th Heaven was shut down suddenly in the summer of 2000 when the 12ozProphet offices officially closed, and the remaining crew moved to [[New York City]].

 

 

==The Writer’s Forum and Blogs==

 

For many cities’ graffiti subcultures, 12ozProphet’s Writer’s Forum serves as an electronic medium where graffiti’s practitioners can discuss and debate graffiti. As of Summer 2010, the discussion board has accumulated over five million posts. Caleb Neelon: “Art Crimes and The Writers' Forum are likely the two most heavily visited graffiti websites, and both are underwritten by businesses and individuals who take their costs on as a public service.” Because members of the Writer’s Forum often choose to remain anonymous, either because of their graffiti or because of their reluctance to reveal their identity in an online community, it is difficult to ascertain which figureheads within the graffiti subculture maintain a presence in the Writer’s Forum. However, 12oz Prophet’s Blog section features many of the most famous and prominent graffiti writers in the world, whose viewpoints are displayed alongside those of many designers that enjoy broad recognition throughout art, culture and fashion circles.

 

Among the blog writers are many graffiti writers that have achieved admiration by other writers, animosity by police departments and attention by the press. Skuf YKK was termed “the supreme Skuf” by the Village Voice in 2000, as it notes that “writing is a culture without surplus value, something that can only be said of folk traditions that remain under the media's radar” <ref>http://www.villagevoice.com/2000-11-21/news/the-joy-of-bombing/2/</ref>. Another blogger, Alan Ket, who has worked as an artistic consultant for companies like Atari, Moet & Chandon and MTV, opted to plead guilty to three felony counts relating to graffiti rather than risk a trial to charges that could have amounted to several decades in prison <ref>http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/05/nyregion/05graffiti.html</ref>

Another blogger, Cope2, has repeated clashed publicly with City Councilman Peter Vallone over the role graffiti can play as an instrument of public art in murals and other installations in New York City <ref>http://www.mail-archive.com/medianews@twiar.org/msg10688.html</ref>. KRINK, another blogger, has successfully traversed the divide between graffiti and pop culture, a divide that 12oz Prophet has sought to navigate, speaks on how he began to market a new brand of ink, KRINK, that is now found in many boutiques throughout North American and Europe: “'Krink… is a homemade silver ink'' that was ''developed in the KR kitchen.'' Back then, KR, who says he stopped writing graffiti years ago and is thus more comfortable being known as Craig Costello, never figured his ''Krink'' would be known beyond that circle -- let alone that it would become a brand name on his custom-designed ink and markers, sold in boutiques and specialty shops in the U.S., Europe and Japan.” <ref>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/magazine/24wwln-consumed-t.html</ref>.

 

==Publications==

Benedikt, Hudson, and Neelon have reappeared under the name ''Also Known As'', and in September 2005, they released the premier volume of a self titled book series, again focusing predominantly on [[graffiti]] and [[popular culture]].<ref>http://www.akanyc.com/</ref> <ref>Alan Benedikt,[2005] ''Also Known As'' AKA Projects ISBN 0-9768516-0-1</ref> AKA Projects have gone onto release more publications, such as Million Dollar Vandal. <ref>Alan Benedikt,[2006] ''Million Dollar Vandal'' AKA Projects ISBN 0-9768515-3-6</ref>

 

 

==References==

{{Reflist}}

 

==External links==

*[http://www.12ozprophet.com/ 12ozProphet]

*[http://www.12ozprophet.com/forum/ The Writers Forum]

*[http://www.12ozprophet.com/shop/ 12ozProphet Supply Shop]

*[http://www.akanyc.com/ Also Known As]

 

'''

 

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we may need to do some destruction league-age where people just continue to keep putting the page back up as they keep deleting it.

 

{{Infobox Magazine|
 title          = Twelve Ounce Prophet                              |
 image          =  [[File:12ozprophet issue6-581x800.jpeg]]                     |
 editor         = Allen Benedikt                                           |
 frequency      = Yearly                                           |
 category       = [[Graffiti]] / [[street art]] / [[urban Culture]]                  |
 company        = AKANYC, LLC                                           |
 language       = [[English language|English]]                                       |
 firstdate      = 1993                                              | 
 country        = United States                                     |
 website        = [http://www.12ozprophet.com/ www.12ozprophet.com] |
}}

[[File:12ozprophet issue6-581x800.jpeg|thumb|right|200px|Cover art for 12ozProphet Issue #6, Summer 1998, Cover art by Os Gemeos and Allen Benedikt with graffiti handstyle logo by Bernie Perez (Crude Oil).]]



'''12ozProphet''', created in 1993, is an [[online magazine]] featuring articles, pictures, and interviews related to [[graffiti]]. In the past it was a print [[magazine]]; however, today it exists in the form of an online magazine with blogs,  [[internet forum|online forum]] and store. <ref>www.12oz.com</ref>

==History==

12ozProphet Magazine was conceived in early 1993 by Allen Benedikt, while he attended the [[Rhode Island School of Design]]. The first issue of 12ozProphet was created as a design project for school credit and with the intentions of sparking competition among the graffiti [[zine]]s of the time.

Midway through development of the third issue, Caleb Neelon, a comparative classic literature major attending nearby [[brown University]] joined the team as [[copy editor]]. Cody Hudson also joined as a chief collaborator. By the time it was published, the magazine had come into its own. The issue was among the earliest interviews with [[barry McGee]] (also known as ''Twist''), who was largely unknown outside of [[san Francisco]] at the time. <ref>Twelve Ounce Prophet Magazine, Issue 3, Straight From the Bottom, 1996</ref>

Benedikt, Hudson, and Neelon continued their work with the magazine for another several issues, until releasing the sixth issue in 1998. The main feature of this issue was a feature on twin brothers from [[são Paulo]], [[brazil]], calling themselves [[Os Gêmeos]], who had been introduced to Benedikt by [[barry McGee]] several years earlier. This issue had the first interview of Os Gêmeos, and also the first images of their artwork shown outside of [[south America]]. The sixth issue was the last to be released, and the first to list the URL of the website. <ref>http://slamxhype.com/art-design/12ozprophet-circa-1997-brazil-graffiti-film/</ref><ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Os_G%C3%AAmeos</ref><ref>Twelve Ounce Prophet Magazine, Issue 6, 12ozProphet, 1998</ref>

In 2000, the same crew behind 12ozProphet released a new [[zine]] entitled, ''TheVapors Project'', which focused entirely on the illegal aspects of graffiti, as opposed to the artistic side that had been thoroughly documented in 12ozProphet. It is unknown why 12ozProphet Magazine never saw another issue after #6, or why TheVapors Project never continued past the premier issue.<ref>The Vapors, theVapors/12ozProphet, 2000</ref>

Paralleling their work with 12ozProphet Magazine, the crew also founded the first major graffiti [[mail order]] company operating under the name ''Straight From The Bottom'' (a name also sued as the publisher of the early issues of the magazine, presumably in reference to its geographic location in [[Miami]]) in 1994. This company eventually evolved into ''7th Heaven'' several years later after expanding beyond graffiti paraphernalia to also include early street wear brands, books, and other products with a broader appeal. 7th Heaven was shut down suddenly in the summer of 2000 when the 12ozProphet offices officially closed, and the remaining crew moved to [[New York City]].


==The Writer’s Forum and Blogs==

For many cities’ graffiti subcultures, 12ozProphet’s Writer’s Forum serves as an electronic medium where graffiti’s practitioners can discuss and debate graffiti. As of Summer 2010, the discussion board has accumulated over five million posts. Caleb Neelon: “Art Crimes and The Writers' Forum are likely the two most heavily visited graffiti websites, and both are underwritten by businesses and individuals who take their costs on as a public service.” Because members of the Writer’s Forum often choose to remain anonymous, either because of their graffiti or because of their reluctance to reveal their identity in an online community, it is difficult to ascertain which figureheads within the graffiti subculture maintain a presence in the Writer’s Forum. However, 12oz Prophet’s Blog section features many of the most famous and prominent graffiti writers in the world, whose viewpoints are displayed alongside those of many designers that enjoy broad recognition throughout art, culture and fashion circles. 

Among the blog writers are many graffiti writers that have achieved admiration by other writers, animosity by police departments and attention by the press. Skuf YKK was termed “the supreme Skuf” by the Village Voice in 2000, as it notes that “writing is a culture without surplus value, something that can only be said of folk traditions that remain under the media's radar” <ref>http://www.villagevoice.com/2000-11-21/news/the-joy-of-bombing/2/</ref>. Another blogger, Alan Ket, who has worked as an artistic consultant for companies like Atari, Moet & Chandon and MTV, opted to plead guilty to three felony counts relating to graffiti rather than risk a trial to charges that could have amounted to several decades in prison <ref>http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/05/nyregion/05graffiti.html</ref>
Another blogger, Cope2, has repeated clashed publicly with City Councilman Peter Vallone over the role graffiti can play as an instrument of public art in murals and other installations in New York City <ref>http://www.mail-archive.com/medianews@twiar.org/msg10688.html</ref>. KRINK, another blogger, has successfully traversed the divide between graffiti and pop culture, a divide that 12oz Prophet has sought to navigate, speaks on how he began to market a new brand of ink, KRINK, that is now found in many boutiques throughout North American and Europe: “'Krink… is a homemade silver ink'' that was ''developed in the KR kitchen.'' Back then, KR, who says he stopped writing graffiti years ago and is thus more comfortable being known as Craig Costello, never figured his ''Krink'' would be known beyond that circle -- let alone that it would become a brand name on his custom-designed ink and markers, sold in boutiques and specialty shops in the U.S., Europe and Japan.” <ref>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/magazine/24wwln-consumed-t.html</ref>.

==Publications==
Benedikt, Hudson, and Neelon have reappeared under the name ''Also Known As'', and in September 2005, they released the premier volume of a self titled book series, again focusing predominantly on [[graffiti]] and [[popular culture]].<ref>http://www.akanyc.com/</ref> <ref>Alan Benedikt,[2005] ''Also Known As'' AKA Projects ISBN 0-9768516-0-1</ref> AKA Projects have gone onto release more publications, such as Million Dollar Vandal. <ref>Alan Benedikt,[2006] ''Million Dollar Vandal'' AKA Projects ISBN 0-9768515-3-6</ref>


==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://www.12ozprophet.com/ 12ozProphet]
*[http://www.12ozprophet.com/forum/ The Writers Forum]
*[http://www.12ozprophet.com/shop/ 12ozProphet Supply Shop]
*[http://www.akanyc.com/ Also Known As]

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how many people would be up for this?

 

allen, go ahead and weigh in if you'd like.. i've been debating with this idiot for awhile.

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this is my discussion with him:

 

Hey there, We'd like to have our page restored, we were not aware of the dire need for references in order to keep the page up. Please allow us to provide proper references and restore the page. Thanks so much for your kind attention to this matter. Sincerely, 12ozprophet.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.55.77.166 (talk) 21:29, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

 

I can restore it if you create an account. Could you do so, and (while logged in) post here? -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:45, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

 

 

Hi, Not sure if this is the proper way to respond, anyway I have created an account. Thanks for your response.Primerstar6 (talk) 04:21, 1 October 2010 (UTC)primerstar6

 

OK, it is available at User:Primerstar6/12oz Prophet. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 07:39, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

 

Thanks so much. I have added references to one section, I am gathering some more information to add the references to the other section. Might take another day or so but it's possible what I've added is enough for now. Thanks for your help. --Primerstar6 (talk) 15:41, 1 October 2010 (UTC)primerstar6

 

Ok, let me know if you need more references. Much appreciated! Primerstar6 (talk) 19:56, 1 October 2010 (UTC)primerstar6

 

Pretty good, but could you provide a link to each of the sources (esp. New York Times and AP), and format it properly (see Wikipedia:Citing sources). Thanks! -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 08:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

 

ok, i linked to the NYT, Village Voice and AP sources, but there is no link to the other sources in the list, as they are to magazines and books never referenced on the net, and after a lot of looking, they just do not exist on the net, and I can't scan them all in.. I will instruct the other people from 12oz who may want to add to the page that they have to be airtight on the references and link to them. As it says on the citing sources page, I expect several people from the 12oz site to improve on the work, but they can't do that until the page is back up. I thought I had it formatted properly, for the books I redid it with the info available, as I can't provide much more info than what is there. The magazines don't list publishers, I may be able to get that info but it would be great if the page could go back up in lieu of that. Please let me know if I need to provide anything else. Many thanks. Primerstar6 (talk) 20:21, 3 October 2010 (UTC)primerstar6

 

again, do i need to provide anything else? i've responded to your concerns. Primerstar6 (talk) 01:39, 5 October 2010 (UTC)primerstar6

 

helloooo??? is anyone there?? 134.192.150.96 (talk) 17:31, 6 October 2010 (UTC)primerstar6

 

I have reviewed the sources, but unfortunately they do not count because they do not even mention 12oz Prophet. Can you find reliable sources that have significant coverage of 12oz Prophet? -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 07:10, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

 

well, all the references in the first section are about 12oz. the references in the second section are about people who write for 12oz. that seems significant to me.. not to mention, it seemed as though once the initial section was referenced properly we'd be good to go, i quote you on my first round of edits "pretty good, but could you provide a link to each of the sources" ..anyway of course i can find stuff that references it in what i see as a significant way, but i'm guessing it won't be good enough again? http://designnotes.info/?p=2301 http://www.fecalface.com/SF/index.php/good-stuff/2092-os-gemeos-mural-w-futura-in-nyc http://slamxhype.com/art-design/12ozprophet-site-relaunch/ 134.192.150.96 (talk) 13:35, 7 October 2010 (UTC)primerstar6

 

there are more. http://filter.anat.org.au/issue-67/visabilitys-mixed-bag/ when is enough enough? 134.192.150.96 (talk) 13:38, 7 October 2010 (UTC)primerstar6

 

some more http://www.complexmedianetwork.com/publishers/sites/Entertainment/12ozprophet.com http://www.knowngallery.com/blog/post/12ozprophet-1997-brazil-graffiti-with-os-gemeos-raven-sonik 134.192.150.96 (talk) 13:41, 7 October 2010 (UTC)primerstar6

 

i'm reluctant to work on the page itself since the changes haven't really been accepted, and i mentioned already we could improve on it if you'd put it back up. "significant way" seems too subjective, so it would be nice if you could sign off on one or more of these links, i'll insert it and the page can go back up 134.192.150.96 (talk) 13:42, 7 October 2010 (UTC)primerstar6

 

The part that discusses 12ozProphet in DesignNotes is a press release, so it doesn't count; same for FecalFace. Slamxhype is trivial coverage. ComplexMediaNetwork lists 12ozProphet as a "Partner Site," so that doesn't constitute coverage. Known Gallery does not discuss 12ozProphet beyond putting it in the title. Filter is the only one that may work; the thing in question is whether it is reliable enough, but in any case there must be more than one such source. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 18:25, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

 

I'm not sure i see what the problem is here. there is obviously no question the magazines, the publications, the books exist. the ISBN numbers can attest to some of that. If it's a question of relevance, I'll point out that the character 12oz mouse has a wikipedia page, no one seems to be targeting that for deletion, and yet it is not the top result for 12oz on google, 12ozprophet.com is the top two, one for the site/blogs, one for the forum. I'd ask you to consider, it is a tremendously popular website, don't you think some people would be interested in the origins, their other projects, maybe even want to oknow what it is etc? Just as much as someone might be for say, the 12oz mouse character from adult swim.Primerstar6 (talk) 23:15, 9 October 2010 (UTC)primerstar6

 

Google doesn't prove anything. There are 14,400,000 hits for "yogurt" and only 4,150,000 for "yoghurt," yet our article on the topic is at yoghurt. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:27, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

 

Ok so then it actually has nothing to do with whether or not we had references, as the books and publications from 12oz are real. It actually has to do with whether or not you think the page is relevant. I wasn't aware you personally had to approve the wiki pages. You really should mention that when you are telling people they need to format things properly, that you actually are looking for proof the page should be important to you. And you mentioned yogurt. That is about a difference in how the word yogurt is spelled, not about two topics that have nothing to do with each other. Should you start deleting wikipedia pages on people you've never heard of? Primerstar6 (talk) 15:58, 10 October 2010 (UTC)primerstar6

 

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and a link here:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:King_of_Hearts#12oz_prophet_wikipedia_page_deletion

 

i think if you register on wiki you can edit our convo and add to it.

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Bureaucratic Coffee Sucking Faggots

 

That 12ozpage has been up for years on wiki and now they dont want it 'cause it's not important? It's the #1 Graffiti Site/Forum in the World?! Is it not?

 

It's one of the bigger forums on the internet, and they published their own magazines and books, and also have a store.

 

But yea faggot photographers who have never done shit get their own page?

 

Idk , just venting, don't see how 'it's not important' when ... there's how many members and 80,000+ threads, over millions of postings and pictures?

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i agree, i don't think they want it from us, yet it's looking like they do it in fact want it very badly.

 

wonk saggin.

 

 

[king of hearts wiki admin] doesn't think we're relevant

it is funny to me that os gemeos' page links back to the now defunct 12oz page

just not exactly sure how to proceed from here.

i played by their rules, it wasn't enough, so we could just put the fucker up again

an i'm guessing he'll delete it

and the cycle will continue.

 

anyone around here know someone at a college or newspaper who'll write an article about us?

the only one he'd sign off on was the one sonik wrote for some aussie site.

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send him the Alexa ranking info: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/12ozprophet.com

Apparently there's only 18k sites with more traffic.

 

Edit: ranked 4,657 in the US

 

And there's also this gem (unrelated, but sheds light): Relative to the overall population of internet users, 12ozProphet.com appeals more to users who are not college graduates; its visitors also tend to consist of childless men browsing from school and home.

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i think that one option is to go over his head and go into the appeals process where it is then discussed by a panel. but it is also possible he threw it out for discussion, one person concurred, and the page got taken down. still not sure about that though, i actually have some other shit going on and i don't have as much time to attend to this as i'd like.

 

and as far as site popularity rankings, it's in there, so he should have already seen it. i don;t think he cares about that.

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there is only a limited amount of options after this, definitely the best thing to do is to win this admin over.

i can make an undeletion request but who knows if anyone even looks at those [except for the admin that did the deed]

they can also block the page from recreation if we piss them off, so prolly not the best idea to do that

 

i need some oontz coverage.

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I understand that half of the responsibility for this falls upon us, but come on...we (well, symbols) did what was necessary to make things right so at this point they just seem resistant to reason.

 

I don't have the time to dedicate to this either, at least not anytime soon. I'll do what I can but I really don't think you want me to talk to these people, it wouldn't go well.

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