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Guest Andy Capp
jazz has such a broad spectrum that its kinda silly to narrow it down to a few names...every great album has great personnel on it, and these personnel have most likely put out their own albums (for example, miles davis when the group was made up of red garland, paul chambers, jimmy cob, cannonball adderley, john coltrane...all these doods got their own albums and there is no "this album is better than that one" since its all just a matter of taste, kinda like what dialect you like to listen to...its like a language really, there are as many different styles and implications of styles as there are different dialects and accents..and the modern playing is over 40 years old now...but where did the modern players and the bebop heads of the 40s and 50s get these ideas..it largerly came from classical music, in particular stravinsky's right of spring among many many more i just cant think of right now..that and from the blues, which has been around for many centuries..so when you listen to jazz youre listening to an ancient music thats been around in many different forms for dumb long......

 

 

you sound like my music history prof.

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I could chime in with some favorites.... but it sounds like only a couple of you dudes know your stuff well enough to get what I'd be talking about.

 

But not to sound too superior.... go for the basics first, theres plenty listed above to get you started.

 

Love Supreme,

 

S3K

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basically, Jazz grew out of Ragtime... the 'ragtime' beat was the fundamental element of what became Jazz. Ragtime started around the 1880's so, yuo could say Jazz started then too becoming Dixieland, Jazz evolved into it's own thing after 1910, reaching it's first full realization through the 20's and on...

 

The Blues is also a true american art form and it also shares roots with Ragtime. Basically the modern forms of blues are based on folk songs with a ragtime beat, aka the New Orleans beat

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Originally posted by Smart

basically, Jazz grew out of Ragtime... the 'ragtime' beat was the fundamental element of what became Jazz. Ragtime started around the 1880's so, yuo could say Jazz started then too becoming Dixieland, Jazz evolved into it's own thing after 1910, reaching it's first full realization through the 20's and on...

 

The Blues is also a true american art form and it also shares roots with Ragtime. Basically the modern forms of blues are based on folk songs with a ragtime beat, aka the New Orleans beat

 

damn smart is smart. thanks

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check out some african drumming cds...i guarantee you will find several examples where a ride pattern (ding-ding-a-ling, ding-a-ling) is present... to show just how deep this music is..i love playing this stuff too because ill be doing it until i die or until my body gives up and says its had enough, and there wont be a day where im not pondering about something new i just learned..basically ill never be done learning this language, ever..

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i love playin jazz on all instruments. i play guitar, piano and drums. recently playing the drums has been my favorite. im just getting into the piano. what i love about jazz is there is so much room for improvisation and doing your own thing and experimenting. i just cant wait till i get my Fender Rhodes. i wish had more friends with some musical talent so i could jam with em........

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Guest Andy Capp

blues also decends from african music. the pentatonic scale is used heavily in blues and it was the basis of some types of african music. some guys just started playing and it was all done by ear. then people started changing it up and started writing it down, and developing it and soloing etc. jazz was a branch off of the blues which was then taken in different ways and developed differently.

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Originally posted by Andy Capp

blues also decends from african music. the pentatonic scale is used heavily in blues and it was the basis of some types of african music. some guys just started playing and it was all done by ear. then people started changing it up and started writing it down, and developing it and soloing etc. jazz was a branch off of the blues which was then taken in different ways and developed differently.

 

andy capp...

 

Thats some knowledge from a fuckin comic..!

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actuaslly, what Andy Capp said isn't really true... while the pentatonic scale can be found in African music, African music is poly-phonic (NOT the right word, poly-chordal...???) by nature... like Indian and Asian music, it uses scale divisions that are smaller or larger than the European halftone/wholetone divisions...

 

Furthermore, as I said, Blues and Jazz come from the SAME place. Neither exited before the other. Ragtime is the basis of BOTH forms. The 'ragged' beat was the first time (in Euro-centric music) that the emphasis was taken from the 1 and 3 beat and shifted to the 2 and 4 beats. This has been called the Rag beat, N.O. beat, Back beat and Black beat, and is the basis for both Blues and Jazz.

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Guest BROWNer

wow. check out that sonik post.

how 'bout you ante up and 'chime in'?

jazz seems to attract a whole lotta

dilettantes.

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ya'll should peep flowers by dudley perkins.. very dope.

 

my fave track of all time, any genre, is by don ellis...

 

i never got too into big band stuff, and dont like a lot of cool jazz either..... though i give davis his props for innovating.

 

and blues is more like a cross between african and english folk.. ragtime is more a result of gospel/blues and the big band era....particualrly marching bands at funerals in new orleans. ya'll should peep the scott joplin museum in st. louis... im not a ragtime fan at all though.

 

madlib does a pretty nice job w/ them ynq joints.

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hahaha, it appears that Sonik is just a little too superior to really participate in this one... maybe when we start the Tom Waites thread...

 

 

 

maybe I meant 'poly-tonal-... yeah I like 'poly-tonal' the best... The Africans use poly-tonal scales... that's better... still not sure if it's exactly what I'm trying to say, but it's getting later and the beer is getting shorter...

 

 

 

When are we all gonna get together for the 12oz. jazz recording sesh? Seems like we got a couple guitars, and a pianist/drumer, and Kaes on the bass... plus we got ONE trumpet, so it's like the retarded rhythm section...

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Originally posted by Vanity

ragtime is more a result of gospel/blues and the big band era....particualrly marching bands at funerals in new orleans

 

dude, you're ALL mixed up... the Big Band era wasn't until the 30's thru the 40's... the Ragtime era was the 1880's like I said... marching bands in New Orleans play Dixieland, an offshoot of Rag... but people should still check out the Scott Joplin museum, even if Vanity missed some of the salient points of the tour;)

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BE-BOP and FREE JAZZ.

Anything 50's and 60's. Bitches Brew if it's fusion and you gotta check out BIRTH from Cleveland. They're a new FREE JAZZ band and they're smokin'!

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Oh Yeah,

 

Original Jazz and Ragtime is also fused with Clesmah. The original term for Jazz was 'Jewish Jazz'.

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Yeah I guess I am gonna just be superior here. I've just spent too much time and money finding good music to just break out lists of the best to the general public. I'm definately down to talk music on email with people like Smart, people who know what they're talking about and have knowledge I don't.

 

I'm no musician.... Smart's heard me sing.

 

Yooouuuureee innocent.....whennn yooouuu dreeam..."

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