d-town_bomber Posted April 8, 2002 Author Share Posted April 8, 2002 jazz is suposedly one of the only true american art forms other than quiltmaking. i wanna know when jazz actually started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 basically, Jazz grew out of Ragtime... the 'ragtime' beat was the fundamental element of what became Jazz. Ragtime started around the 1880's so, yuo could say Jazz started then too becoming Dixieland, Jazz evolved into it's own thing after 1910, reaching it's first full realization through the 20's and on... The Blues is also a true american art form and it also shares roots with Ragtime. Basically the modern forms of blues are based on folk songs with a ragtime beat, aka the New Orleans beat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-town_bomber Posted April 8, 2002 Author Share Posted April 8, 2002 Originally posted by Smart basically, Jazz grew out of Ragtime... the 'ragtime' beat was the fundamental element of what became Jazz. Ragtime started around the 1880's so, yuo could say Jazz started then too becoming Dixieland, Jazz evolved into it's own thing after 1910, reaching it's first full realization through the 20's and on... The Blues is also a true american art form and it also shares roots with Ragtime. Basically the modern forms of blues are based on folk songs with a ragtime beat, aka the New Orleans beat damn smart is smart. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaesthebluntedwonder Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 check out some african drumming cds...i guarantee you will find several examples where a ride pattern (ding-ding-a-ling, ding-a-ling) is present... to show just how deep this music is..i love playing this stuff too because ill be doing it until i die or until my body gives up and says its had enough, and there wont be a day where im not pondering about something new i just learned..basically ill never be done learning this language, ever.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-town_bomber Posted April 8, 2002 Author Share Posted April 8, 2002 i love playin jazz on all instruments. i play guitar, piano and drums. recently playing the drums has been my favorite. im just getting into the piano. what i love about jazz is there is so much room for improvisation and doing your own thing and experimenting. i just cant wait till i get my Fender Rhodes. i wish had more friends with some musical talent so i could jam with em........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andy Capp Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 blues also decends from african music. the pentatonic scale is used heavily in blues and it was the basis of some types of african music. some guys just started playing and it was all done by ear. then people started changing it up and started writing it down, and developing it and soloing etc. jazz was a branch off of the blues which was then taken in different ways and developed differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shameless self promotion Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 Originally posted by Andy Capp blues also decends from african music. the pentatonic scale is used heavily in blues and it was the basis of some types of african music. some guys just started playing and it was all done by ear. then people started changing it up and started writing it down, and developing it and soloing etc. jazz was a branch off of the blues which was then taken in different ways and developed differently. andy capp... Thats some knowledge from a fuckin comic..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 actuaslly, what Andy Capp said isn't really true... while the pentatonic scale can be found in African music, African music is poly-phonic (NOT the right word, poly-chordal...???) by nature... like Indian and Asian music, it uses scale divisions that are smaller or larger than the European halftone/wholetone divisions... Furthermore, as I said, Blues and Jazz come from the SAME place. Neither exited before the other. Ragtime is the basis of BOTH forms. The 'ragged' beat was the first time (in Euro-centric music) that the emphasis was taken from the 1 and 3 beat and shifted to the 2 and 4 beats. This has been called the Rag beat, N.O. beat, Back beat and Black beat, and is the basis for both Blues and Jazz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaesthebluntedwonder Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 two words: stride piano...check out some art tatum...that guys a freak of nature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el barto Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 i love rocking my chet baker records and im down with the obvious miles and coltrane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BROWNer Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 wow. check out that sonik post. how 'bout you ante up and 'chime in'? jazz seems to attract a whole lotta dilettantes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanity Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 ya'll should peep flowers by dudley perkins.. very dope. my fave track of all time, any genre, is by don ellis... i never got too into big band stuff, and dont like a lot of cool jazz either..... though i give davis his props for innovating. and blues is more like a cross between african and english folk.. ragtime is more a result of gospel/blues and the big band era....particualrly marching bands at funerals in new orleans. ya'll should peep the scott joplin museum in st. louis... im not a ragtime fan at all though. madlib does a pretty nice job w/ them ynq joints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 hahaha, it appears that Sonik is just a little too superior to really participate in this one... maybe when we start the Tom Waites thread... maybe I meant 'poly-tonal-... yeah I like 'poly-tonal' the best... The Africans use poly-tonal scales... that's better... still not sure if it's exactly what I'm trying to say, but it's getting later and the beer is getting shorter... When are we all gonna get together for the 12oz. jazz recording sesh? Seems like we got a couple guitars, and a pianist/drumer, and Kaes on the bass... plus we got ONE trumpet, so it's like the retarded rhythm section... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shameless self promotion Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 can i just tag along? Ill dance in the corner..??:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 Originally posted by Vanity ragtime is more a result of gospel/blues and the big band era....particualrly marching bands at funerals in new orleans dude, you're ALL mixed up... the Big Band era wasn't until the 30's thru the 40's... the Ragtime era was the 1880's like I said... marching bands in New Orleans play Dixieland, an offshoot of Rag... but people should still check out the Scott Joplin museum, even if Vanity missed some of the salient points of the tour;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOE Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 BE-BOP and FREE JAZZ. Anything 50's and 60's. Bitches Brew if it's fusion and you gotta check out BIRTH from Cleveland. They're a new FREE JAZZ band and they're smokin'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOE Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 Oh Yeah, Original Jazz and Ragtime is also fused with Clesmah. The original term for Jazz was 'Jewish Jazz'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mental invalid Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 Brad Mehldau.... wonk saggin..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaesthebluntedwonder Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 get off his nuts already just kidding, brad obviously has a lot to say...and as for the retarded rythm section, youll see just how retarded it can get with me keeping the time and attempting to play through changes kaesthebluntedwonder has attached this image: http://www.freephoto-i.net/users/vortexcaliber/basso2.JPG'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonik3000 Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 Yeah I guess I am gonna just be superior here. I've just spent too much time and money finding good music to just break out lists of the best to the general public. I'm definately down to talk music on email with people like Smart, people who know what they're talking about and have knowledge I don't. I'm no musician.... Smart's heard me sing. Yooouuuureee innocent.....whennn yooouuu dreeam..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 Originally posted by Sonik3000 I'm no musician.... Smart's heard me sing. Yooouuuureee innocent.....whennn yooouuu dreeam..." He's like Frank Sinatra without all that musical genius baggage... Actually, Sonik is just more honest than me, I'm keeping my examples to the best of the well known... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-town_bomber Posted April 9, 2002 Author Share Posted April 9, 2002 well since i did start this thread u can see how interested i am in finding out some different jazz artist other than the most popular...so Smart could u drop me and email with some names.... id greatly appreciate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 sure man... look out sometime later tonight or tomorrow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BROWNer Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 oh brother.... jazz also seems to attract a whole lotta elitist twerps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 Originally posted by BROWNer oh brother.... jazz also seems to attract a whole lotta elitist twerps. hey! I resemble that remark! actually, yeah, it's kinda like graff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TEARZ Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 pteeeeewy! this thread has a real yucky taste to it. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mental invalid Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 "oh brother.... jazz also seems to attract a whole lotta elitist twerps. " um seriously.....i dont even really know what to say....i guess that attitude gets the rolled eyes.....:rolleyes: kaes whats up with that show? anyone see the hancock show, with that band the new deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-town_bomber Posted April 9, 2002 Author Share Posted April 9, 2002 Originally posted by BROWNer oh brother.... jazz also seems to attract a whole lotta elitist twerps. narrow minds....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanity Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 heh.. ah well smart.. it's been about 5 years since i made any progress in music history... save seeing who was on what record and looking for em on others.. but that doesnt count. can i join the band too..i can hit kids off w/ samples and wack cutting.. something liek bucksho lefonque... except apollo is dope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dropone Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 you got a drummer right here. vince guaraldi, miles, mingus, grant green(favorite guitarist) wes montgomery, stan getz, turrentine, wynton marsalis, brubeck. ive also been listening to some ragtime and roots as of late. oh brother got me on this roots kick. scott joplin is a must. i also dig alot of funk. lonnie smith, mandrill......i dunno alot of shit. especially funny rare shit. ---------if anyone has a decent connection and some tunes they wanna trade hit me up on aol im (prophet182). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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