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can someone explain something to me....

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by seeking, Apr 4, 2003.

  1. seeking

    seeking Dirty Dozen Crew

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    can someone explain something to me....

    Discussion started by seeking - Apr 4, 2003

    so, we have sanctions and trade embargo's on Cuba, yet we also have a military base there.
    can anyone explain that to me? this isnt like a retorical question to point out the hypocritical nature of nearly everything our government does, its a genuine question.
    smart?
    anyone?
     
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  2. Dr. Dazzle

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    Dr. Dazzle - Replied Apr 4, 2003

    Cuba does whatever the US tells it to do.....?
     
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    uncle-boy - Replied Apr 4, 2003

    well we fuck them over to our benifit.

    whats so hard to understand hippy?
     
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    seeking - Replied Apr 4, 2003

    actually, we dont really fuck cuba over. castro is one of the few people who has stood up to us, and kept his country intact.

    this 'hippy' thing is a bit ill informed. if i didnt have an arsenal of weapons, bathed everyday, hadent smoked pot since 1993, and didnt hate hippies myself, then i might agree with you. unfortunitly, i just cant do that.
    keep throwing it around like you have an idea though, it serves to make you look as ignorant as you [clearly] are.
     
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    Tre$Loco$ - Replied Apr 4, 2003

    I think you answered your own question, the military is there to regulate the trading embargo on Cuba. Not to mention that US military will park themselves wherever they feel like, we are the "global police" think about how many other countries we've intruded upon.
     
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  6. seeking

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    seeking - Replied Apr 4, 2003

    yeah, but no.
    jamaica is less than a hudred miles from cuba, strategically more usefull, and indebted to us to a point we can do anything we please.

    i dont believe we're just occupying cuban land against their wishes. obviously its not a far fetched idea, but it doesnt make any sense in this situation. our base there is not to enforce any embargo. or maybe it is.
    i dont know. the whole thing honestly is completely beyond me.

    wheres smart when you need something from him?
     
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    uncle-boy - Replied Apr 4, 2003

    lick my balls.

    im not being serious here. just fucking around on a message board.

    if i was being serious, i wouldnt be on here in the first place.

    and as far as me being ignorant, hahahahahahah. shit im more multi-cultural than your HIPPY ass wished it was.
     
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    T.T Boy - Replied Apr 4, 2003

    you also have an embassy there too. it has a statue of elian gonzales in front of it., basically giving you a big fuck you.
    i think its abandoned. but its a pretty nice building if i might add.
    zat is all.
    off to bed...
     
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  9. Smart

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    Smart - Replied Apr 4, 2003

    well, it's late and I'm faded but... as I recall, it goes back to the Spanish American war... if memory serves, some marines were camped on the bay and were killed by Spanish soldiers, this started the war...

    we won...

    and this led up to the Platt agreement which basically said we could do what we want in Cuba and then we put some deal on them where we basically leased the land forever, without question...

    and like hell we were gonna give it over to Castro in the 50's...

    basically it's squatting with weapons...
     
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  10. When

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    When - Replied Apr 4, 2003

    is there any other way?
     
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  11. imported_Tesseract - Replied Apr 4, 2003

    That was always an answered question of mine...what i dont get is how the fuck Castro couldnt take it back no matter how and when the US got the place..especially during the cold war...weird..i mean they did succefully resist and threw the us forces away in the bay of pigs
     
  12. imported_El Mamerro - Replied Apr 4, 2003

    All I know is that the US Navy leaves Vieques on May 1st. That is very, very good.

    As much as I hate to give big ups for any reason these days to the US, I gotta hand it to them for staying true to their word and leaving when they said they would. I was absolutely convinced that they'd pull off shady crap to extend the stay until we didn't care any more about it. Beer,

    El Mamerro
     
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    !@#$% - Replied Apr 4, 2003

    my interpretation

    strategically, cuba is a dream for the military, as has been perfectly illustrated by the need to detain terrorists there..

    think about it: they can't lock up so many terrorists on american soil...it makes us a huge target for more terrorists..granted, we have a few terrorists in amercian jails (like the masterminds of the first WTC bombing)..but obviously, that hasn't helped us-terrorist relations, right? so why not dump all these so-called suspected terrorists on a plot of land that has absolutely zero to do with us citizens, us land, etc, and everything to do with us might, control, military etc..if a terrorist group decided to target the prison where all their pals were hemmed up, they'd have to take their beef to the people of cuba..who our government really doesn't give a fuck about..

    so yeah, the terrorist shit is a recent development, but the us has a history of tense, stand off like situations that drug on, or are dragging on, for years and years....its just our military's way of reminding everyone who 'is really in charge around here' we've had an, uh....38th (?) parallel thing goin on with north korea for years...talk about your mothafuckin obstinate dictators ruling with an iron fist, defeating america, but still not totally getting his way..

    i guess might makes right..and like you said, no way in goddamn hell was the us giving up its military base once some old scrubby commi rebels took the place over way back when...

    maybe the political climate in the us can explain why he couldn't get us totally out...commis were the epitome of evil back then (what terrorists are today) ..they were the closest ones to us, and if we couldn't be in bed with the government we were going to keep a very close eye on them...hell, we tried to invade and take over that repressive government too!

    history repeating itself..
     
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    seeking - Replied Apr 4, 2003

    Re: my interpretation

    that repressive govrernment that has one of, if not the lowest infant mortality rate of any country in the world. has free national health care, and a citizenship that no matter the spin we try and place on them, are very loyal to their leader. a leader who has stayed true to his word and his people and was never able to bought by us.
    sounds represive to me.


    seeks/almost makes you wish you were cuban
     
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    --zeSto-- - Replied Apr 4, 2003

    Ahh Cuba.

    long story short...

    There was a huge American influence (casinos, booze, the mob and all the bad stuff)
    going on in Cuba under the old government. Batista gained control in a seriously bloody coup.
    This government was recognized by the states as vaild. More of a reason to be pissed.
    Castro pretty much came
    down from the hills with the guerillas and said a big 'fuck you' to Batista and the u$a.

    a detailed timeline

    a popular cuban ideology...
    'There's a hundred million homeless children in the world. Not one of them lives in Cuba.'
     
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