Bush Given Authority To Sexually Torture American Children

[Larry Pubes]

Liar.

 

word dunlop, real eyes realize real lies.

[lord_casek]

because Theo's best friend was called cockroach and you like to dress up like a ladybug.

 

 

that's it! that and mamerro is the son of a drunken dentist.

[Obvious]

Why am I being compared to Theo? I don't get it.

 

i think he called "--->" you.

[Obvious]

ugh...well i wasn't really talking about private wealth whatsoever when i said 'trickle down', but whatever. it's not bullshit in the context of benefits..the trickle is there, you just need to think about it in the broad terms of the relationship.

 

yep, one aspect of it working is the free medical care. dude was complaining about canada's wealth being too lopsided in favor of the rich, and, that could be true but free medical care is an example of everyone benefitting

[fermentor666]

please google neo liberal and look it up. jesus christ.

 

last time Ill say it "Neo LIberal" has nothing to do with the "liberal left" or being left wing.

 

what fuck is wrong with you people.

 

 

 

Nothing is wrong with me, you just need to clarify what you're talking about since I don't look at google for every political term I come across.

[El Mamerro]

I'm surprised you guys didn't know what neoliberal is. It's Chavez's favorite word.

[the.crooked]

at this point, i don't think it would have mattered. the same people

behind all of this shit would more than likely be behind any other president

we have. i'm including our next president.

 

I disagree, there are some who actually still care about those fables of american lore(the philosophical underpinnings of our country). I think Al Gore would have done the country much better. You can not actually believe that we would be any where near the state of current affairs had Gore gotten into office. Kerry, not so much, def a mouth piece. Gore actually has some conviction in some of his talking points.

 

 

anywho, this shit is redic. I am just glad I am back at school. If the world ends, I'll be smokin a blunt singing bye bye while watching it in my living room.

 

That there are two more years of inconcievable policy changes (see EPA libraries, accepted domestic spying, misappropriation of power, etc) is astounding. We are just hedging our bets that this country completely dissolves to shit before the next elections.

[--->]

please google neo liberal and look it up. jesus christ.

 

last time Ill say it "Neo LIberal" has nothing to do with the "liberal left" or being left wing.

 

what fuck is wrong with you people.

 

 

Here in America that's called neo-conservative. I've never heard "neo liberal" before.

[angelofdeath]

geez people... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

 

'liberal' has a deeper meaning than being a fricking socialist statist mufucker.

 

there was once a time when liberal meant the same thing as 'libertarian.' now they have the distinction of 'classical' liberal to distinguish from the dudes like FDR that were more socialist than not.

[MESTHREE]

"you dont google every political term you come across"? no kidding. well then. maybe you should before you try and tell me that I dont know what I am talking about.

 

 

ok im done with this thread. people want to get caught up in canada vs usa and definitions and other shit.....when the real issue is how fucked up that bill is. So fuck the geneva convention. Lets aregue about whose country is 'better'.

[--->]

"you dont google every political term you come across"? no kidding. well then. maybe you should before you try and tell me that I dont know what I am talking about.

 

 

ok im done with this thread. people want to get caught up in canada vs usa and definitions and other shit.....when the real issue is how fucked up that bill is. So fuck the geneva convention. Lets aregue about whose country is 'better'.

 

I wasn't comming at your neck. I was just saying that "trickle down echonomics" is rightwing conservative Republican propoganda. Not liberal. Maybe yall have a different interpretation of what's liberal and what's conservative. Or maybe it's us that has shit mixed up. I'm just saying it's not the same. And for the record, with the exception of the cold weather, I like your country.

[fermentor666]

"you dont google every political term you come across"? no kidding. well then. maybe you should before you try and tell me that I dont know what I am talking about.

 

 

ok im done with this thread. people want to get caught up in canada vs usa and definitions and other shit.....when the real issue is how fucked up that bill is. So fuck the geneva convention. Lets aregue about whose country is 'better'.

 

 

 

 

Her royal majesty has left the building.

[lord_casek]

Arrest over Cheney barb triggers lawsuit

 

Rocky Mountain News | October 3, 2006

By Charlie Brennan

 

A Denver-area man filed a lawsuit today against a member of the Secret Service for causing him to be arrested after he approached Vice President Dick Cheney in Beaver Creek this summer and criticized him for his policies concerning Iraq.

 

Attorney David Lane said that on June 16, Steve Howards was walking his 7-year-old son to a piano practice, when he saw Cheney surrounded by a group of people in an outdoor mall area, shaking hands and posing for pictures with several people.

 

According to the lawsuit filed at U.S. District Court in Denver, Howards and his son walked to about two-to-three feet from where Cheney was standing, and said to the vice president, "I think your policies in Iraq are reprehensible," or words to that effect, then walked on.

 

Ten minutes later, according to Howards' lawsuit, he and his son were walking back through the same area, when they were approached by Secret Service agent Virgil D. "Gus" Reichle Jr., who asked Howards if he had "assaulted" the vice president. Howards denied doing so, but was nonetheless placed in handcuffs and taken to the Eagle County Jail.

 

The lawsuit states that the Secret Service agent instructed that Howards should be issued a summons for harassment, but that on July 6 the Eagle County District Attorney's Office dismissed all charges against Howards.

 

The lawsuit filed today alleges that Howards was arrested in retaliation for having exercised his First Amendment right of free speech, and that his arrest violated his Fourth Amendment protection against unlawful seizure.

[lord_casek]

Start Carrying A Toothbrush

Rense | October 3, 2006

By Dave Lindorff

 

I've decided to start carrying a toothbrush.

 

Incredibly, we've reached that point in America where, thanks to a bunch of spineless traitors in Congress (Republicans and Democrats), it is only a matter of time before the state begins rounding up people like me and whisking us off to dark cells without telling anyone.

 

Congress, with almost no discussion, has just approved a law ostensibly about authorizing military tribunals for alleged terrorists which actually went way beyond that bad enough end run on the Constitution, to include giving the president the congressional sanction to torture captives and, as well, the power to snatch up any American citizen and declare her or him to be an "unlawful combatant," devoid of Constitutional rights.

 

Such a victim of presidential whim or pique could be shuttled off to a gulag anywhere in the world, or to Guantanamo Bay, or to a military installation somewhere in the U.S. (Or perhaps to that mysterious concentration camp reportedly being constructed in secret somewhere in the U.S. by Kellogg, Brown & Root, the subsidiary of VP Cheney's company, Haliburton.) Nobody, not even family members, would have to be notified of this capture and detention. No lawyer would be called.

 

This, sad to say, is America today, courtesy of your elected representatives, a majority of whom have violated their oaths of office to uphold and defend the Constitution. Our nation has become a place that the revolutionists of 1776 would easily recognize, not as the country they brought into being, but rather as a reprise of the tyrannical colonial British rule that they struggled to break free from.

 

Under the guidelines President Bush is using for the made-up term "unlawful combatant," anyone who is said to be giving aid to terrorists (a very slippery term itself, which has been used to describe everyone from a lone bomber to the elected presidents of Iran and Venezuela) could be subjected to secret, indefinite detention without charge, and to torture as well.

 

Such "aid" could be an innocent donation of money to a charity that, unknown to the donor, turned out to somehow be providing funds to an organization associated with a terrorist organization. A Christian charity that donates some of its funds to an Iranian state orphanage might easily if inadvertently fit that bill. Writing an article critical of the Bush administration's hoked up "war" on terror (like this one here), could qualify the author for arrest, too. Certainly a piece I wrote for The Nation magazine's online edition last week, disclosing that the Bush administration had pushed forward deployment to the Iran Theater of an aircraft carrier battle group by a month in preparation for a probable attack on Iran before Election Day could pass the terrorist-aid test.

 

Likewise a report by Time Magazine reporters the same week revealing that Navy personnel had received "prepare to deploy" orders to be ready to sail a fleet of minesweepers to the Persian Gulf on October 1, also in preparation for war against Iran.

 

Once Bush begins really using his new gift from Congress of dictatorial powers of arrest without charge and detention without trial, the brigs of the country's military bases will begin to fill with journalists, anti-war activists and little old ladies who gave to the wrong charity.

 

Make no mistake. This is going to happen unless this catastrophic sell-out bill passed into law by Congress is repealed or declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, because history has made it crystal clear that powers made available are powers used.

 

The less popular this president becomes--and he deservedly ranks right down there with the most unpopular leaders of all time--the more desperate he will be, particularly because he has already committed so many offenses against this nation and against the Constitution that his impeachment by a Democratic Congress is increasingly probable.

 

We are at a critical moment in American history.

 

With the passage of the new anti-terrorism bill, Election Day on November 7 could well be the last chance for the American people to reassert their faith in the Constitution that our Founding Fathers and the blood of tens of thousands of revolutionary soldiers provided us with over 200 years ago.

 

It is, at this point, imperative that the voters of this country think strategically, forget petty ideological differences and intellectual debates over whether or not the Democratic Party can ever be reformed, and simply vote for the Democrat in every election district. Even the cowardly Democrats who supported the terror bill must be returned to office, I'm afraid (we can deal with them later).

 

The key is to gain a Democratic Party majority in both houses of Congress, and to remove the rubber stamp Republican Party from control.

 

As nauseating as it may be to find one's self voting for the likes of Texas Rep. Chet Edwards or Illinois Rep. Melissa Bean (two of 34 Democratic representatives who joined Republicans in voting for the terrorism bill), it is nonetheless crucial that both be re-elected so that Democrats can add at least 15 seats to their total in the House and take over control of that institution. Ditto in the Senate. A Bob Casey may be pro-Iraq War and anti-abortion, but if he is not elected to replace Sen. Rick Santorum in Pennsylvania, there is no chance Democrats will retake control of the U.S. Senate in November.

 

Now I know the idea of voting for Democrats--especially Democrats who have voted wrong on the war, wrong on torture, wrong on giving the president dictatorial powers--is both sickening and seemingly contradictory for those who feel the party has consistently betrayed its own constituency, but with this last law we've crossed a Rubicon. We are in a police state when there is no longer habeas corpus and when even the Congress is saying that the president and the "Justice" Department can start locking people up in military prisons without the right to bring the case to a court. Heck, at this rate, after November, we may not even have another election. That makes voting for Third Party candidates kind of pointless, doesn't it? Basically, I'd say we've got a shot this November at stopping the coup, and we need to grab it. It might not work, but I'm betting most of those Democrats who shamelessly voted yes on the terrorism bill did it because they thought they needed to vote that way to win this election. They may be wrong (and I may be wrong), but the simple equation is--vote your conscience in those districts, and the Republicans keep in control in Congress and the police state grows in strength; ignore your conscience, vote for lame Democrats, and the Republicans lose Congress and we have at least a chance of stopping this march to totalitarianism. It's really that simple.

 

Certainly a Democratic Congressional victory on Election Day will not herald a return to some 1960s liberal America, or even a Clintonian pseudo-liberal era, much less to a new New Deal, and nobody should be under such an illusion. But it would be a major defeat for the Bush dictatorship, as a Democratic Congress could be expected to begin seriously investigating Bush administration crimes, could start to undo the creeping coup that has been eroding American democracy and long-held democratic freedoms, and could protect us from being saddled with yet another pro-authoritarian Supreme Court justice. (For that to happen, given the lame nature of the Democratic Party, will require a powerful mass movement through the course of the next two years, after Election Day.)

 

Meanwhile, just in case, I'm carrying that toothbrush. I care too much about the health of my gums and about keeping my teeth to want to lose them to a period of military detention.

[lord_casek]

Will Americans Seek Repeal Of Constitution Killing Enabling Act?

Or are Mark Foley's perverted e mails of more importance to the existence of freedom in the United States?

 

http://infowars.com/articles/ps/terror_laws_will_americans_seek_repeal_constitution_killing_acts.htm

[lord_casek]

 

here's a flier. takes up one half sheet. print and pass out.

 

http://img104.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=97842_newbill_hires_122_497lo.jpg

[russell jones]

I'm surprised you guys didn't know what neoliberal is. It's Chavez's favorite word.

 

 

I bought my nephew a neoliberal for his birthday.

[lord_casek]

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/10/olbermann-why-does-habeas-corpus-hate-america/

[Larry Pubes]

“The United States is committed to the world-wide elimination of torture,” George W. Bush explained in a June 2003 speech, “and we are leading this fight by example.”

[lord_casek]

larry: are you starting to believe what i have been talking about in the "who are they" thread?

[Larry Pubes]

what have you been talking about in the 'who they are' thread..i don't really check it

[¤Shark¤]

I dont give a FUCK! why should anyone else? OBVIOUSLY ITS BULLSHIT! do u belive everything thats written down in papers or on the net or from any form media? get a life. seriously. have u people been abused as a child or something?....now tell me...have u been abused by georgy? lol

[fermentor666]

WOW MAN THANKS FOR SAYING HTAT!!! U EVEN USED TEH CAPSLOCK N SHIT SO YOU MUST KNOW YOU STUFF!! THANK GOD YOU BLESED US WIHT UR INSITE OR WE ALL WULDA BEEN DOOM'D.

[tutleone]

Oh you totaly tubular liberals bitch about everything. Why can't you see that Bush just has our best interests in mind? There are terrorists in our mists and they need to be found. It's as simple as that. If you don't like it go smoke another bowl. tHe cOpszeR sTateS dOoOOdZ! theY cOmE fOr mY cHiLdReNz dOoOod! nOt CoOl mAn!

 

somebody kill this asswipe ass bitch. :mad: terrorists? bush caused 9/11 and blamed it on iraqis and shit to get america mad at them so he could use it as a front to steal oil for the middle east

[tutleone]

Start Carrying A Toothbrush

Rense | October 3, 2006

By Dave Lindorff

 

I've decided to start carrying a toothbrush.

 

Incredibly, we've reached that point in America where, thanks to a bunch of spineless traitors in Congress (Republicans and Democrats), it is only a matter of time before the state begins rounding up people like me and whisking us off to dark cells without telling anyone.

 

Congress, with almost no discussion, has just approved a law ostensibly about authorizing military tribunals for alleged terrorists which actually went way beyond that bad enough end run on the Constitution, to include giving the president the congressional sanction to torture captives and, as well, the power to snatch up any American citizen and declare her or him to be an "unlawful combatant," devoid of Constitutional rights.

 

Such a victim of presidential whim or pique could be shuttled off to a gulag anywhere in the world, or to Guantanamo Bay, or to a military installation somewhere in the U.S. (Or perhaps to that mysterious concentration camp reportedly being constructed in secret somewhere in the U.S. by Kellogg, Brown & Root, the subsidiary of VP Cheney's company, Haliburton.) Nobody, not even family members, would have to be notified of this capture and detention. No lawyer would be called.

 

This, sad to say, is America today, courtesy of your elected representatives, a majority of whom have violated their oaths of office to uphold and defend the Constitution. Our nation has become a place that the revolutionists of 1776 would easily recognize, not as the country they brought into being, but rather as a reprise of the tyrannical colonial British rule that they struggled to break free from.

 

Under the guidelines President Bush is using for the made-up term "unlawful combatant," anyone who is said to be giving aid to terrorists (a very slippery term itself, which has been used to describe everyone from a lone bomber to the elected presidents of Iran and Venezuela) could be subjected to secret, indefinite detention without charge, and to torture as well.

 

Such "aid" could be an innocent donation of money to a charity that, unknown to the donor, turned out to somehow be providing funds to an organization associated with a terrorist organization. A Christian charity that donates some of its funds to an Iranian state orphanage might easily if inadvertently fit that bill. Writing an article critical of the Bush administration's hoked up "war" on terror (like this one here), could qualify the author for arrest, too. Certainly a piece I wrote for The Nation magazine's online edition last week, disclosing that the Bush administration had pushed forward deployment to the Iran Theater of an aircraft carrier battle group by a month in preparation for a probable attack on Iran before Election Day could pass the terrorist-aid test.

 

Likewise a report by Time Magazine reporters the same week revealing that Navy personnel had received "prepare to deploy" orders to be ready to sail a fleet of minesweepers to the Persian Gulf on October 1, also in preparation for war against Iran.

 

Once Bush begins really using his new gift from Congress of dictatorial powers of arrest without charge and detention without trial, the brigs of the country's military bases will begin to fill with journalists, anti-war activists and little old ladies who gave to the wrong charity.

 

Make no mistake. This is going to happen unless this catastrophic sell-out bill passed into law by Congress is repealed or declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, because history has made it crystal clear that powers made available are powers used.

 

The less popular this president becomes--and he deservedly ranks right down there with the most unpopular leaders of all time--the more desperate he will be, particularly because he has already committed so many offenses against this nation and against the Constitution that his impeachment by a Democratic Congress is increasingly probable.

 

We are at a critical moment in American history.

 

With the passage of the new anti-terrorism bill, Election Day on November 7 could well be the last chance for the American people to reassert their faith in the Constitution that our Founding Fathers and the blood of tens of thousands of revolutionary soldiers provided us with over 200 years ago.

 

It is, at this point, imperative that the voters of this country think strategically, forget petty ideological differences and intellectual debates over whether or not the Democratic Party can ever be reformed, and simply vote for the Democrat in every election district. Even the cowardly Democrats who supported the terror bill must be returned to office, I'm afraid (we can deal with them later).

 

The key is to gain a Democratic Party majority in both houses of Congress, and to remove the rubber stamp Republican Party from control.

 

As nauseating as it may be to find one's self voting for the likes of Texas Rep. Chet Edwards or Illinois Rep. Melissa Bean (two of 34 Democratic representatives who joined Republicans in voting for the terrorism bill), it is nonetheless crucial that both be re-elected so that Democrats can add at least 15 seats to their total in the House and take over control of that institution. Ditto in the Senate. A Bob Casey may be pro-Iraq War and anti-abortion, but if he is not elected to replace Sen. Rick Santorum in Pennsylvania, there is no chance Democrats will retake control of the U.S. Senate in November.

 

Now I know the idea of voting for Democrats--especially Democrats who have voted wrong on the war, wrong on torture, wrong on giving the president dictatorial powers--is both sickening and seemingly contradictory for those who feel the party has consistently betrayed its own constituency, but with this last law we've crossed a Rubicon. We are in a police state when there is no longer habeas corpus and when even the Congress is saying that the president and the "Justice" Department can start locking people up in military prisons without the right to bring the case to a court. Heck, at this rate, after November, we may not even have another election. That makes voting for Third Party candidates kind of pointless, doesn't it? Basically, I'd say we've got a shot this November at stopping the coup, and we need to grab it. It might not work, but I'm betting most of those Democrats who shamelessly voted yes on the terrorism bill did it because they thought they needed to vote that way to win this election. They may be wrong (and I may be wrong), but the simple equation is--vote your conscience in those districts, and the Republicans keep in control in Congress and the police state grows in strength; ignore your conscience, vote for lame Democrats, and the Republicans lose Congress and we have at least a chance of stopping this march to totalitarianism. It's really that simple.

 

Certainly a Democratic Congressional victory on Election Day will not herald a return to some 1960s liberal America, or even a Clintonian pseudo-liberal era, much less to a new New Deal, and nobody should be under such an illusion. But it would be a major defeat for the Bush dictatorship, as a Democratic Congress could be expected to begin seriously investigating Bush administration crimes, could start to undo the creeping coup that has been eroding American democracy and long-held democratic freedoms, and could protect us from being saddled with yet another pro-authoritarian Supreme Court justice. (For that to happen, given the lame nature of the Democratic Party, will require a powerful mass movement through the course of the next two years, after Election Day.)

 

Meanwhile, just in case, I'm carrying that toothbrush. I care too much about the health of my gums and about keeping my teeth to want to lose them to a period of military detention.

 

^^^^

BUMP to that

[lord_casek]

I dont give a FUCK! why should anyone else? OBVIOUSLY ITS BULLSHIT! do u belive everything thats written down in papers or on the net or from any form media? get a life. seriously. have u people been abused as a child or something?....now tell me...have u been abused by georgy? lol

 

wow. so HR 6166 is a fake law that just got passed in a fake internet govt. by a fake president. i'll agree with the last sentence.

[Larry Pubes]

I dont give a FUCK! why should anyone else? OBVIOUSLY ITS BULLSHIT! do u belive everything thats written down in papers or on the net or from any form media? get a life. seriously. have u people been abused as a child or something?....now tell me...have u been abused by georgy? lol

 

pfff, i'm totally feeling this kids (i'm thinking a pampered 13ish?) retarded post/argument steez. the best is the last couple of lines...pure funny-little-shit-of-a-kid-funny.

[Juan Fuentes]

whoever says what he did is ok is as sick as that pedophile fagget crack smoking retard whore.

btw...911 was an inside job...

[viperface]

Hehehehe. American phraseology has always amused me, but now it's going over the top really...

 

From what I hastily read here it seems like the government of the united states has finally gained independency.

When you think about it though, its kinda nasty that it leaves the whole population sort of "isolated" from the top crew. It's like a play on words: the american people decides what's best for the american people. at the same time the govenrment is the people, but can decide who's in the people and who's not. still everyone is called americans even if they can be stripped from their human rights at any given time.

 

This is becoming into a truly perverted vision of usa turning into Russian-like state, but with exception that in russia the illusion of democracy is a satirical joke to pretty much everyone, a funny phrase that only retarded nationalists might believe in. The most genuine and clever trick however was to not suppress the freedom of speech and political activism, but to isolate and strip it from any effect and even more, they've become the very things that keep people off the streets.

 

bread and circuses.