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[attachmentid=20655] hey spade, i got your pm, and it's here....and, to anyone else who's interested in garvey, pm me. operators are standing by....

good first try! are the fades spray paint, or did you use a fan brush? i wonder what your postman will think.....

very true. i often think that people want to put me in a box since i post here, but it seems prejudical to do so. i realize a lot of the folks who post here are younger than me, and don't have the ability to see the world the way i do, and that's all well and good. however, thanks to the times that life has handed me my ass on a plate, i don't have the luxury of idealism as much as i used to. a lot of my views come from having been there- i've lived on the streets before- spent three years of my life there. but, while the circumstances that got me there were beyond my control at the time, i took advantage of my freedom, and accepted the liabilities. i got to travel, and learned a lot from it. i agree that there are a lot of people who need help out there, and don't know, or want to know, how to better their situation...and, there's a lot of people who have a victim mentality who seem to think the world owes them something. i feel for the ones who are truly helpless, and, if i can, i'll buy them some food or give them clothes to help them out. however, i also see kids who embrace living on the street as some romantic ideal or something, i don't know...and, they have this strange concept that hanging out on the sidewalk and looking cool entitles them to whatever change i have in my pocket. this is wrong, and, sometimes, if they press the issue, i tell them, "hey, i was once where you were. but, i didn't panhandle, and i never made anyone feel guilty for what was ultimately my choice....so, why are you doing it to me? if you want to get off the streets, i'll tell you how..." and, that usually ends the conversation. that's where i come from on that point- not far from what you've said before.

that's about it, my man....unless it's water-based, then water will work. sorry.

^you can't be serious. at least, i HOPE you aren't serious. please close this. and shut this mrd off, he's either an idiot or a cop. well, DEFINITELY an idiot. i said this before.....and any time you post here, i'll say it again. now, go away.

^yeah, that's true...most of the trains i see in my area are 53's, hence my advice. the 48's do have a floor but are hot, hot, HOT! the security in my area is fierce, due to it being adjacent to the fourth largest port in the country. the golden rule is, BE DISCREET, especially in or near major cities/hubs. i've been sweated in emeryville just taking photos recently. my take on this is that, yeah, i might be trespassing, but the workers here don't want to see anyone besides workers or railcops poking around...i do all my loitering on sundays now...there's less train traffic, but there's also less potential to be seen- the turnover in the yard is high, so i rarely see the same car twice. kabar, that sounds like a good little trip. i just saw this thread recently, and was a little surprised to find something like this on 12 oz. i was wondering, how did you find your way here? it's refreshing to hear someone who feels the same way that i do. i feel like a lot of kids just bitch about the system, but they don't realize that they NEED the system...they should try visiting other countries, where not only will The Man keep you down, he'll probably kill you witout a second thought...he'll also take your tax money, and pretend the infrastructure doesn't need their help...it was kind of shocking for me to see shantytowns for the first time- it made me think about how all my privledged "peers" in the states would talk about killing cops, but who would they call if their house was being broken into? that's right...it's really easy to talk about these things in an abstract way, but they always applied their middle class ideology to things like graff or smoking weed, without realizing those were personal choices they made. no one ever put a gun to my head, and said, "smoke this," or "write that there..." i've always taken responsibility for my choices, and accepted the fact that there would be consequences if i was caught. i never displaced accountabiltity to some vague entitity that i felt was oppressing me. the way i see it, is that you can exist as an outlaw in this society, as long as it's not causing hardship to your fellow man. however, this isn't the fifties, and a lot of activities that were okay then are being legislated against, and will most likely get harder as time goes on...i consider myself fairly conservative, more in the libertarian sense as opposed to the dingbats who are "running" the show right now. that means i thing the government should be less involved in the activities of the individual, and more concern with making sure the trains are runnng on time and everyone wants for nothing. unfortunately, we seem to be geting further and further from this vision and closer to a vision that is light years away from what the founding fathers had in mind....just that it's not a king anymore, it's enron, and worldcom, and mobil getting paid. anyway, that's enough....i thought you might like to know that there's at least one person here who shares some of your worldview. sometimes, i get fed up with what i read here- it seems like aggresive ignorance, and a lot of people who mindlessly toe the line as far as prevailing sentiment goes. but, as long as you stick to your guns, and stick around and try to be informative, i'll do the same. thanks.

-Direct this question to Mark Grubstein, a 36-year-old artist, and he says the Kill Whitie parties speak to something inside of him. "I make art about that, that's my life," he said. "It's based on the idea that things that are funny are the deepest." He shrugs. "If you don't see it's funny," he said, "I can't help you."- yeah, it speaks to your inner faggot. if someone ever said this to me i'd slap the eyeliner off his pasty white face. and, even if i was being gangraped by fifty roseanne barrs, i'd pass on your help if it came with your silly, ironic postmodern attitude. two words- fuck hipsters.

i just remembered...you can make a pilot drip- pour a few drops of xylene and a lot of ink into the body. the catch is, you have to store it with the tip up or the ink will dump out, and the pen will dry out faster. fuck it, use a flow pen or a mop if drips are what you want...it's a lot easier.

hey, flip, check your pm's.

he's right...gentian violet by itself is safe, it's the additives you need to look out for. and, unless your name is grimace, or want to answer a lot of dumb questions, keep it off your skin.

that's when it's in solution. they use phenol/ethanol as a solvent for gentian violet, and yes, it's really bad for you...but, it's also really good for ink, too- some of my favorite ink is phenol based. i would just wear dishwashing gloves, that will do fine. gentian violet is also available as a reagent in powder form- check chemical supply stores, especially ones that specialize in biology.

[attachmentid=20572] just made a new batch of mops...made a flourescent yellow opaque color today. never seen anything like it...to the guy who wanted garvey, pm me- i wouldn't put brake fluid in it, it stains fine on its own. if you ever get it on your hands, it will take at least a week for it to fade. i'm gonna finish my bottle and try some of the new ish out...

sorry to hear about this...tonight, i'm drinking in his honor. rip

damn...my secret's out. i just found my last can of black one shot this a.m. i'm trying to decide if i should use it or not. also, ronan color and hascolac- in some ways, i like hascolac better- it's a fluid lacquer from holland. compared to one-shot, it's expensive, but it thins out more than one-shot, and it stays opaque. ronan color is nice too- it's about the same as one-shot in quality and price but they have a different pallette. hey, wood, i want to see what you are up to w/this- i've seen some writers come off really well with sign paint. good tip, though.

<!--QuoteBegin-Weapon X@Aug 25 2005, 02:50 PM Yo, lemme tell you a story. 2 weeks ago, I did a piece with a dude who I never paint with. We were laughing about how certain writers have gotten good because they were good at learning from other peoples' styles. For all we know, they practiced other peoples' styles until they sort of got their own (if you can accept that). Well, buddy does a piece next to me and claims to have burned the bridge. I look at his outline and say "Nahhh, buddy - that's **** *** from New York...HE burnt the bridge" (even though in reality, it was my piece that burned). So there you go. *He's a full out toy, and I'm embarassed to have even brought this up. I'm NOT guilty by association, I can tell you that much. Quoted post you said so much right there...it's hilarious to see the hipster kids in my area bomb with a bandanna in the back pocket of their tight jeans....do they even know what they are saying? and, it's one thing for a writer to become an artist due to evolution....but these trust fund kids....oh my god, i'm not gonna get started. oh, okay, i will. did you ever notice they only fight each other, and when there's a bunch of their "friends" around? that's because it's easy to fight someone who's 5'5" and weighs 120 pounds. and tattoos are now a sign of the idle rich, not that you went to prison or spent years at sea. to truly represent, you should get the name of the art school you went to, or your blog name, tattooed in old english on your chest, and rep that...i don't know, man. i don't know. how do these guys find graff, anyway? (btw, 90% of what i was lamenting about in my earlier posts is about this exact demographic.) i won't even talk to them...if they say, "yo, nigga, y'all write, and shit?" and i don't see some thug, i see some pasty kid in a trucker hat from the suburbs....i say, "yes, and you will never know," and walk away shaking my head. thanks, VICE magazine. you should have stuck to haircuts. now i'm a target market. far out. and as far as the painting incident, good move...what did the other guy say? "naw, man, i know that dude, and shit," or something like that? pulling cards is one of my favorite pastimes too, and the older i get, the easier and funnier it is.

i think i know this one...IM's (intermodal) or DS (doublestack) trains are a lot more common these days due to several factors. i believe the main reason is convenience, since loading a flat car merely requires a container crane, thus saving on labor....at least where i live (near the port of oakland). i'm sure security plays into this somehow, as well. as far as riding them, not many of them have floors, but i've heard of people doing it...i wouldn't try it since there are still plenty of boxcars out there....besides, IM trains are usually hotshots, and you could end up a lot further from where you planned to be. boxcars are common on GM trains (general manifest, i.e, mixed use trains) and tend to be local as well. good luck.

sure, but it isn't necessary. a lot of people will be an asshole just because they can, regardless of whether they have anything to teach you. this applies to life in general. graffiti experience is the best teacher- and part of experience is geting schooled, and knowing when and where that education applies to you. i try to answer all the intelligent questions i see here with my opinion, which is based on years of trial and error. sometimes, i talk shit, but only when i can add a little comic relief...not to make someone feel inferior. the only dumb question is the one that goes unasked due to pride or doubt, and the learning curve for graff is a motherfucker. ask anyone who had to work hard for theirs....however, the rewards are there for anyone willing to take the time and risks. i appreciate someone who's willing to take the time to show others how to come correct- we all have something to learn here. thanks.

Good responce. The fact that I can get an email address and basicly have family on the other side of the planet makes the internet a fucking great tool. Its like anything mate. If you dont like how shit is being done, dont do it yourself and if you feel like it, tell others why this shit is not correct. At the end of the day this little boom in graffiti will burn out again and only the writers with real heart for graff will stay on. Dont stress about it just get on with the job. Quoted post [/b] sometimes i agree with this, sometimes i don't. graffiti has a great oral tradition, and the internet certainly contributes to it. sometimes, as much as i appreciate 12 oz. for the resource that it is, i feel that all the answers are right here and no one has to pay dues to learn style. however, they don't learn the rules- if you ask any outlaw, they'll say that the code of honor among thieves is sacred. why should graff be any different? i hear about writers ratting out other writers over crew beef...jealous toys ratting out people because they can't compete...among many other choice examples. the only reason i can think of as to why assholes get away with shit like this is that most of their peers don't know how the game works. graffiti has always been borderline anarchy, but the understanding was that what goes around, comes around, and if you went over the line, it would be handled- and that was enough of a deterrent to keep the dumb shits in check. nowadays, anything goes. that's why i don't feel comfortable around new school writers- a lot of them don't understand respect or correct behavior, and treat the game like it's the lord of the flies. style can always be copied, and improved upon, regardless of character...the art will continue to move forward, backward, and sideways...it's the culture that's passing. that's what i mourn.

i was messengering in sf for a while...one day, i had to hook around this crackhead in the tenderloin. i hopped up o the sidewalk, and somehow hooked a no parking sign.... which threw me down the hill, and on one of the many bounces i took i smacked my right big toe and bent it back all at once. i heard a pop...i got up and was mostly fine except for the toe. i went to base and took off my shoe and my toe was black and blue and swelled up to twice its size. i taped it, went back to the t.l. and bought some painkillers and a beer, and went home. funny how a little thing like that can put you in check.

sounds like you've lived here for a while.

whatever...it's here to stay. some of it is impressive but i don't consider it graff. i'm just glad more people are creative and doing things instead of watching tv. that's the new hipster thing to do.

damn...just listened to perry and kingsley yesterday. rest in peace. make noise up there, too.

i read in the oakland tribune about this, then saw it here...sad to say, it's not surprising. some people are really fucked up. i work less than four blocks from that parking lot and ride past it every day. oakland can be one brutal place- my girl got robbed at gunpoint two blocks from our house a few weeks ago, and our hood isn't that bad, or so i thought. now i carry a pair of scissors in my hand when i walk to the store at night. shit.