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Keeping spots chill

Discussion in 'Metal Heads' started by cracked ass, Nov 29, 2000.

  1. cracked ass

    cracked ass Guest

    This issue obviously doesn't get addressed often enough, because I keep hearing about dumb shit going down and spots getting blown. All the veteran heads can skip this thread, except to add any minor points to think about or incidents where violation of these concepts brought heat to them personally. Anyone fairly new to trains should listen up. I'm going to talk at length about a bunch of related points.
    The main issue here is longevity of chill spots to paint freights. Any sane writer who is not a malicious shithead must agree that keeping a chill spot to piece freights is a good thing. The primary thing that blows spots is letting people (rail workers, cops, joe hero who walks his dog near the tracks and hates "taggers") know that painting gets done at that spot.
    SOME rail workers hate graff and will report a spot getting hit to superiors/railcops/regular police. SOME passerby civilians hate graff and will call the cops about it if they see it being done. ALL cops are obviously down to nail writers. So: a significant percentage of people who see freights being painted, or can tell from evidence that they were painted right there, will take action. Maybe it's only ten or twenty percent, but so what? Why take the chance? This means 1) strive to be seen by zero people and 2) leave NO evidence around the train you just painted to clue people in that it was painted THERE instead of rolling in from someplace else. (This seems pretty basic, but there are plenty of people on this board who don't grasp it yet.)
    Again, pretty obvious right? Not to some. To avoid being seen, paint only in a spot screened from most directions by trees, buildings, etc. Do not paint standing on a live track, because another train or one of those quiet, fast utility trucks on train wheels could roll on you. Remember, EVEN IF YOU CAN GET AWAY SUCCESSFULLY, IF YOU GOT SPOTTED PAINTING, YOU ATTRACTED ATTENTION AND HEAT TO THE SPOT. That fucks it up for you, which is only as bad as you think it is, but if other people paint that spot, you have fucked it up for them too, and they will be pissed off, cross you out, beat your head in, etc.
    If you're new to trains, the thing you need to understand is that if you find a spot to paint them, it may already be a regular spot for other heads in your area. They don't want their spot blown. They will not even like you painting there at all, because you have yet to prove you're smart enough not to fuck up the spot with dumb behavior. Also, they may have set their own limits on how many cars they'll hit per line that gets parked there, because hitting several trains in a row is a big clue to workers that painting occurs right there. When you piece there, you are possibly fucking with their rhythm.
    This is not to say, don't hit any freight spot without permission. But do 2 things: one, observe the "chillness" advice I'm dropping here; and two, if senior heads confront you about painting their spot, respect what they have to say, whether it's "find another spot" or "don't paint the track side" or "don't hit more than 2 cars per line". If you don't respect the heads who have been hitting that spot before you, then welcome to beef.
    DON'T paint several cars in a row, or tag or bomb whole lines. Workers know that trains are always getting broken up and rearranged, and the exact same artwork on many cars in a row gives away that it was done right there.
    DON'T leave empty cans at the spot, or get lazy about tossing them just a few feet out of sight. They will be seen by workers and noted. Dead giveaway.
    DON'T test out your paint on the rocks, wall, ground, or rails right by the train. Another dead giveaway that painting happens right there. (I test my caps/cans on some unrelated part of the SAME car I am painting: the wheels or suspension, a pipe that hangs down, whatever.)
    DON'T tag or bomb the walls, buildings, electrical boxes, trees or anything else near the yard, tracks, layup or wherever, unless the area is already crushed anyway. Another dead giveaway.
    DON'T leave any other evidence besides the piece you just painted. Take your dirty glove away with you, throw it away somewhere else. If a can gushed or dripped on the rocks by the track, toss those rocks away, bury them, scatter em around, whatever.
    DON'T paint over the numbers on freights - weight limits, reporting marks, hazmat info, or the little black box which is usually near the right end of the car as viewed from the side. This doesn't necessarily give a clue as to where the car was painted, but makes workers more interested in busting someone's ass. It also forces the railroad company to take the car out of service long enough to get those numbers restamped back on there, they are required by law to have that info displayed, and if the costs of repainting numbers add up enough they'll hire more railroad security and put heat on everyone.
    One thing you should do after finding a spot, but before painting it, is go down there with no paint on you, scope out the whole area: trees, paths, fences, escape routes, and not just the physical layout but stay awhile and/or check in several times a week to find out when it gets switched, what time local businesses close for the night, when trains go by, stuff like that that clues you in to a good time/way to hit it up.
    The goal is to not let anyone know that trains get painted at a certain spot. You want workers to think that any pieces on that line rolled in from somewhere else. And even if you do everything right, and they smell the fresh paint of the pieces, you might be okay anyway because, since you stayed off the numbers, didn't leave cans for them to trip over, etc. they won't care enough to report it.
    Following these fairly simple guidelines keeps spots chill, avoids beef, and extends the life of the freight scene.
  2. VideoOner

    VideoOner Junior Member

    Joined: Nov 12, 2000 Messages: 135 Likes Received: 0
    Well the spot i hit was a line of 3 cars, 2 tracks, seperated by a huge metal barrier, over a bridge, seperated from the engine... It wasn't a fucking spot... they were leavingt them there over night.
  3. Ski Mask

    Ski Mask 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Apr 11, 2000 Messages: 11,114 Likes Received: 209
    have you staked out the spot? how do you know they arent "leaving them there overnight" on a regular basis? Just cause its not a spot you know about, doesnt mean it isnt a spot.
  4. cracked ass

    cracked ass Guest

    Chill out video, this wasn't just for you. There's plenty of newbies out there blundering around North America pissing people off by accident, just because nobody told them how to go about it. No harm in an early screwup in your career, but once you've heard how to do it, do it right.
    Also, be aware that any place any train or train car stops for 20 minutes or longer is considered a "spot" to experienced heads, who regularly recon miles of track in their area looking for unusual opportunities.
    Cruxto4 and Kmc like this.
  5. fr8oholic

    fr8oholic Veteran Member

    Joined: Apr 23, 2000 Messages: 9,256 Likes Received: 2
    bump for the thoroughness of a pro.
    read up fellas...
    MONTANA FR8 BENCH likes this.
  6. eros

    eros Senior Member

    Joined: Aug 3, 2000 Messages: 1,033 Likes Received: 0
    thanks cracked, that actually really helps.
  7. don't be afraid to skip weeks/days etc., if they see the same pieces, and the same handstyles, every week, they could catch on. don't put yourself on a schedule to paint, if you do happen to get seen every so often going in, a person can say, watch such and such a spot on this day in between these hours. and FIND GOOD PARKING!
  8. VeganDraftDodgerY3K

    VeganDraftDodgerY3K Member

    Joined: Oct 15, 2000 Messages: 924 Likes Received: 0
    my yard rules. we get caught painting by the workers, and they try to get us to work at the yard on the weekends. im not kidding. they told us that if we give them disposable cameras, they will take pictures of dope pieces that pass through, and rare cars. i love my yard.
  9. fr8lover

    fr8lover Guest

    i have the luxury of having a large area, with a good amount of track, but usually only one train there at a time. i can take my time if i paint or spot, and nobody is around to give a shit...once in awhile a jogger comes by on a trail, i simply try to duck or the like if i see them...
  10. Frate_Raper

    Frate_Raper Veteran Member

    Joined: Aug 20, 2000 Messages: 7,973 Likes Received: 168
    sounds to good to be true man.....


    theirs a writer in my area that is sooooo quilty of that!

    don't tell every tom dick and hairy where your spot is!
  11. rotten

    rotten Guest

    uh...i'm guilty of that. but that's coming from a city of a hundred some yards.

    good job crackity crack

    [This message has been edited by rotten (edited 11-30-2000).]
  12. 23578

    23578 Elite Member

    Joined: Jul 2, 2000 Messages: 2,521 Likes Received: 0
    i'm guilty of that as well. um...just one requestion about the numbers, maybe telling people doesn't get the point across, a picture would be nice. could someone post one to the bench.

    some cars are covered with shit making it impossible to paint w/o going over something. until further notice i'll stay off of such cars.
  13. cracked ass

    cracked ass Guest

    I'll get a little more specific on the numbers. Let's say you're doing a Railbox, all you need to leave alone is this:

    RBOX 32577

    LD LMT 158400
    LT WT 61600

    Then on the far right side of the car is a small black box with just a few letters and numbers in it like AB, LUB 3-98...save that box.
    Also necessary is the small box, which is usually up high enough to avoid, which says PLATE C (or F, or H, or some letter).
    Hoppers and tankers present additional problems, they have valve psi, loading/unloading instructions, and on tankers there's hazmat info and the CHEMTREC 1-800 number. I try to avoid all of it. If I'm in a crabby mood I'll say fuck the small stuff on a hopper, but I don't touch anything printed on a hazmat tanker. Tanks I usually stick to small stamps, bombs, scrap pieces, even just tossups or tags.
    Stuff I don't sweat, and will go over on any car, include 2IN HF COMP SHOE, 60K, REPAINTED 2-95 (which is kind of ironic), door dimensions, little stickers that warn workers not to let the door fall on their head when they open the car, and Jesus Saves streaks.
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  14. 23578

    23578 Elite Member

    Joined: Jul 2, 2000 Messages: 2,521 Likes Received: 0
    yeah that explains it clearly enough for me, i guess i don't need a picture. thanks again racked.
  15. Mr. green

    Mr. green New Jack

    Joined: Apr 16, 2000 Messages: 2 Likes Received: 0
    do workers notice or care about streaks?