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Israel begins to make concessions..

Discussion in 'News' started by !@#$%, Feb 20, 2005.

  1. !@#$%

    !@#$% Moderator Crew

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    Israeli Cabinet OKs settlement withdrawals
    Final route of separation barrier also approved

    Sunday, February 20, 2005 Posted: 1:39 PM EST (1839 GMT)

    JERUSALEM (AP) -- Israel's Cabinet gave final approval Sunday to the government's planned withdrawal from Gaza and four West Bank settlements, marking the first time an Israeli government decided to dismantle Jewish settlements on land claimed by the Palestinians for a future state.

    Speaking to American Jewish leaders hours after the withdrawal plan was approved, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said that it was the most difficult decision he has ever made.

    Calling the move "historic," he said it would "determine the future of the state of Israel."

    Sharon signed an order making it illegal for Israelis to be in Gaza and northern West Bank after July 20, a government official said.

    The Cabinet also approved the final route of Israel's separation barrier in the West Bank, initially constructed to keep out Palestinian attackers but increasingly seen as a blueprint for a final border between Israel and a future Palestinian state. Expected to run about 425 miles, the barrier is about one-third complete.

    With Sunday's twin votes, Sharon's government began charting Israel's final borders unilaterally, something none of his predecessors have attempted since Israel captured the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem in the 1967 Mideast war.

    Sharon, a former patron of settlers, told Cabinet ministers that "it's not an easy day, it's not a happy day," but the withdrawal was vital for Israel's security.

    Ministers voted 17-5 for the evacuation plan, sealing the political defeat of withdrawal opponents seeking to put the plan to a national referendum. The evacuation of about 9,000 settlers will begin in July and take two months.

    The government plans to allocate $871 million for the settlers, with compensation depending on the size of a family, whether it owns or rents, what it owns and how long it has lived in the settlement.

    Under the order Sharon signed Sunday, those settlers not leaving by July 20 face removal by force. Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz told the Cabinet that thousands of troops would participate in dismantling the settlements.

    Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu led the five opponents of the Gaza withdrawal, all ministers from Sharon's Likud Party.

    Netanyahu said he could not support a withdrawal without a national referendum, but his challenge of the prime minister appeared part of a campaign to position himself for eventual Likud leadership.

    Israel's vice premier, Shimon Peres, a longtime advocate of a withdrawal from Gaza, said Sunday's vote was historic.

    "After 40 years in Gaza ... what have we gained?" Peres said.


    http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/02/20/...e.ap/index.html
     
  2. !@#$%

    !@#$% Moderator Crew

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    Israel ends demolition of Palestinian houses

    Thursday, February 17, 2005 Updated at 12:48 PM EST

    Jerusalem — Israeli Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz ordered an end Thursday to the policy of demolishing the houses of Palestinians involved in attacks against Israelis, the military said.

    Mr. Mofaz decided to “stop exercising the legal right to demolish terrorists' houses as a means of deterrence” after a recommendation from army chief of staff Lieutenant-General Moshe Yaalon, the statement said.

    An internal army review of the policy called it ineffective, concluding that it enflamed anger and failed to deter attacks. The practice has been widely condemned by human-rights groups as collective punishment.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto.../International/
     
  3. !@#$%

    !@#$% Moderator Crew

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    Israel frees 500 Palestinian prisoners
    Monday, February 21, 2005 Posted: 5:30 AM EST (1030 GMT)

    JERUSALEM (AP) -- Israel freed 500 Palestinian prisoners in a good-will gesture Monday, a day after the government gave final approval to a pullout from Gaza and a revised route of the West Bank separation barrier that would encompass at least 6 percent of land claimed by the Palestinians for a future state.

    With the historic Cabinet vote, Israel began charting its final borders, bypassing negotiations and angering the Palestinians.

    Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said the decision to leave Gaza and four settlements in the northern West Bank was the hardest he ever made, but would ensure a better future for Israel.

    ........................................
    In Gaza, Hamas spokesman Mushir al-Masri called the planned Israeli pullout "a result of the heroic resistance of our people."

    The vote for the barrier route was almost unanimous, 20-1 with one abstention. Several Cabinet ministers acknowledged that the barrier has implications far beyond the original security concept.

    "The route of the fence is significant in terms of future negotiations over Israel's borders," said minister Tzipi Livni.

    Army planners had to reroute the barrier closer to the old cease-fire line that delineates the West Bank after the Israeli Supreme Court ordered changes to reduce hardships on Palestinians.

    The new route leaves 6 percent to 7 percent of the territory in Israeli hands, said Vice Premier Shimon Peres, about one-third of what the original route would have taken.

    Some 15,000 to 17,000 Palestinians will also end up on the Israeli side of the barrier, officials said. Also, tens of thousands of Israeli settlers would continue to live on the Palestinian side of the barrier, as there is no decision to remove those enclaves.

    Palestinians objected but complained they had no leverage to stop the construction.

    "Israel is creating facts on the ground in the West Bank," said Palestinian legislator Hanan Ashrawi. "Sharon wants payback in the West Bank for the disengagement from Gaza, particularly Jerusalem."

    In the West Bank, Palestinian legislators from Abbas' Fatah movement agreed early Monday they would vote in favor of his new Cabinet, after a long debate in which many lawmakers demanded extensive changes.

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/02/21/...d.ap/index.html
     
  4. villain

    villain Veteran Member

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    Amazing how things are actually turning around. I thought maybe Sharon would have to die too.
     
  5. dojafx

    dojafx Member

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    gotta love the caption:

    Israeli border policemen arrest a Palestinian youth during a protest against Israeli security barrier in the West Bank village of Bil In February 20, 2005. Israel's cabinet met in a pivotal session expected to give the go-ahead to evacuate Jewish settlers from occupied Gaza and for the first time remove settlements from land where Palestinians want a state. REUTERS/Ammar Awad
     
  6. !@#$%

    !@#$% Moderator Crew

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    http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/03/16/...over/index.html

    Israel returns Jericho to Palestinian control
    Town is first of 5 West Bank cities to be handed over

    Wednesday, March 16, 2005 Posted: 12:59 PM EST (1759 GMT)
    JERICHO, West Bank (CNN) -- Israel transferred security control of the West Bank city of Jericho to the Palestinian Authority on Wednesday, but not without a brief delay in a formal signing ceremony.

    Jericho is the first of five cities where the Palestinian Authority will be allowed to resume control.

    Israeli forces began pulling back from Jericho earlier Wednesday, but the signing of a formal agreement to hand over control of the city was stalled at the last minute.

    Without offering specifics, the Israel Defense Forces said there were "technical problems" but the problems were resolved during a meeting with Palestinian officials and the transfer document was formally signed.

    Palestinian Authority negotiator Saeb Erakat said the formal signing was held up when an Israeli commander asserted that Israel's attorney general had to review the agreement.

    He said Israeli negotiators hadn't mentioned such a document review during three weeks of talks.

    Live television pictures showed an Israeli checkpoint being dismantled and Palestinian police setting up a new one. Two other checkpoints are scheduled to be taken apart in about a month.

    The West Bank town of Tulkarem is set to be handed over next, according to understandings between the Israeli government and Palestinian Authority. Qalqilya, south of Tulkarem, will follow.

    No date has been set for the handover of two remaining cities, Bethlehem and Ramallah.
     
  7. bobthebuilder

    bobthebuilder Member

    Joined: Nov 15, 2004 Messages: 295 Likes Received: 1
    Thats bullshit, Israel fought a bitchload of Arab nations for their independance, they whooped those motherfuckers good. All the countries in the region were against them, they still won. So, guess fucking what, Fuck PALESTINE, I want Israel to crush those motherfuckers ASAP.
     
  8. ERIZENO

    ERIZENO Senior Member

    Joined: Jun 30, 2003 Messages: 1,999 Likes Received: 28
    that blind support is just what i expect from you.
    i dont support either side ... i think the whole thing is bullshit. no one owns the land in the long run of things. fight over it all you want ..... or dont which is the better option to me !!!

    but i heard the end of the world will be lead in by a big peace time in the holy land ... maybe this is a sign of that ....
     
  9. !@#$%

    !@#$% Moderator Crew

    Joined: Oct 1, 2002 Messages: 18,517 Likes Received: 621
    uh, bob really means the united states won.
    after all, we are the ones funding their wars.
     
  10. seeking

    seeking Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 25, 2000 Messages: 32,277 Likes Received: 234
    well, just to counter bob, i'd like to restate my long standing 'FUCK ISRAEL' stance.

    i'd also like to include a 'raspberry' and a 'na-na-na-boo-boo' as well as a donald-duck esq rump shaking.
     
  11. SF1

    SF1 Elite Member

    Joined: Apr 25, 2003 Messages: 4,866 Likes Received: 5

    You're a doushbag.
     
  12. Æ°

    Æ° Senior Member

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    Israel was formed by the united nations less than 60 years ago.
     
  13. KING BLING

    KING BLING Guest

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    Progress is good, but giving the Israeli government and Sharon any credit is giving any other genocidal ruler credit for ending his own evil...
    this is not the most credited web site, but of what I've read and learned, this story is the truth...Sharon was at the center of the descisions made here...


    http://www.indictsharon.net/massacres-intro.shtml

    THe brief, but read the story...

    After two months of fighting, a cease-fire was negotiated through the mediation of United States Envoy Philip Habib. Under the terms of these negotiations, the PLO was to evacuate Beirut under the supervision of a multinational force deployed in the evacuated part of the town. The Habib Accords envisaged that West Beirut would subsequently be under the control of the Lebanese army, and the Palestinian leadership was given guarantees by the Americans regarding the security of civilians in the camps after their departure.

    The evacuation of the PLO ended on 1 September 1982.

    On 10 September 1982, the multinational forces left Beirut. The next day, Mr Ariel Sharon announced that “2,000 terrorists” had remained inside the Palestinian refugee camps around Beirut. On Wednesday 15 September, the day after the assassination of President-elect Bashir Gemayel, the Israeli army occupied West Beirut, “encircling and sealing” the camps of Sabra and Shatila, which were inhabited by Lebanese and Palestinian civilians, the entirety of armed resistors (more than 14,000 people) having evacuated Beirut and its suburbs.[3]

    Historians and journalists agree that it was probably during a meeting between Ariel Sharon and Bashir Gemayel in Bikfaya on 12 September that an agreement was made authorising the “Lebanese forces” to “mop up” these Palestinian camps.[4] Mr Sharon had already announced, on 9 July 1982, his intention to send the Phalangist forces into West Beirut,[5] and in his autobiography he confirms having negotiated the operation during his meeting with Gemayel in Bikfaya.[6]

    .....


    During the course of the morning, shells were being fired down at the camps from higher elevations and Israeli snipers were shooting at people in the streets. By approximately midday, the Israeli military command gave the Phalangist militia the green light to enter the refugee camps. Shortly after 5 pm, a unit of approximately 150 Phalangists entered Shatila camp from the south and south-west.

    At this point, General Drori telephoned Ariel Sharon and announced, “Our friends are advancing into the camps. We have co-ordinated their entry.” To which Sharon replied, “Congratulations! Our friends’ operation is approved.’’[11]

    For the next 40 hours the Phalangist militia raped, killed, and injured a large number of unarmed civilians, mostly children, women and elderly people inside the “encircled and sealed“ camps. These actions, accompanied or followed by systematic roundups, backed or reinforced by the Israeli army, resulted in dozens of disappearances.

    The Israeli army had full knowledge of what was going on in the camps right up until the morning of Saturday 18 September 1982, and its leaders were in continuous contact with the militia leaders who perpetrated the massacre. Yet they never intervened. Instead, they prevented civilians from escaping the camps and arranged for the camps to be illuminated throughout the night by flares launched into the sky from helicopters and mortars.


    ....


    The count of victims varies between 700 (the official Israeli figure) and 3,500 (in the inquiry launched by the Israeli journalist Kapeliouk). The exact figure can never be determined because, in addition to the approximately 1,000 people who were buried in communal graves by the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) or in the cemeteries of Beirut by members of their families, a large number of corpses were buried beneath bulldozed buildings by the militia members themselves. Also, particularly on 17 and 18 September, hundreds of people were carried away alive in trucks towards unknown destinations, never to return.

    The victims and survivors of the massacres have never been deemed entitled to a formal investigation of the tragedy, whether in Lebanon, Israel, or elsewhere. After 400,000 Israelis took to the streets in protest once news of the massacre was broadcast by the international media, the Israeli parliament (Knesset) named a commission of inquiry, to be presided over by Mr Yitzhak Kahan, in September 1982. In spite of the limitations of the Commission’s mandate (limited because it was a political rather than a judicial mandate and because the voices and demands of the victims were completely ignored), the Commission concluded that the Minister of Defence was personally responsible for the massacres.[12]
     
  14. SF1

    SF1 Elite Member

    Joined: Apr 25, 2003 Messages: 4,866 Likes Received: 5
    Fuck Isreal.
     
  15. !@#$%

    !@#$% Moderator Crew

    Joined: Oct 1, 2002 Messages: 18,517 Likes Received: 621
    when your ignorance is so obvious that you cannot spell a nation's name properly, you render your comment utterly ridiculous.
     
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