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^and why do you have to include them in your reply? :yuck: Grafflondon

...? Portugese graff mostly defunct now, a few good walls still up.

..and your responsible. stop clogging up the threads...Giv' it up!

^ was tinking someone ought to post those cambridge freights. rip chef

the envy's rocking and swing. fresh :burn:

give a man time to get his post ship shape ;)

taken from a couple of nice flogs :burn: North Side Niggers Cant Belive

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Far outweighs those boring freight threads by a mile :rolleyes:

Settlements from the air: Alfei Menashe Alfei Menashe is a rather large settlement (we see only part of it here) on the western slopes of the mountains of Samaria. In the centre of the image you can see a field not built on. Often Palestinian land is 'trapped' inside settlements. Construction on these islands is not allowed - they still legally belong to the Palestinian owner, who however most often has no access to it. Also note how, on the right and top of the settlement, pine forest meets an olive grove. Planting has become an intensely political act. Palestinians are continuously planting olive groves to secure ownership of land not built on; Israel does the same, but with faster growing pine trees. These kinds of trees became undeclared symbols of the two national groups ownership claimn. In both cases planting is replaced by construction when time allows for it.

yes, its good to see a thread on israel has been started. i have a few things to add that are key to understanding some of the new developments taking place. first off, a. ariel sharon is sincere about puling out of gaza in june/july this year, and if as read above he also plans to evacuate 4 settlements in northern gaza then well and good; even though the p'stinians have abosultly no say(they welcome egyptian envolvement, however sceptical) they cant say no can they? in the wider scheme of things gaza is of absolutly no economic/strategic interest to israel. b. the devil is always in the detail. even though israel is commited to a freese on increasing the size of settlements in the west bank, the territorial size of settlements is more often double that of actual housing settlements, so while it seems sure that gaza will lead to increaded migration to the west bank, settlements themselves 'won't increase'. it's not going to give up greater west bank clearly. its almost logistically impossible becuase communities I and P are so entrenced and intertwind together, however unequal an arrangement it might be. c.the wall is a force to be reckoned with. this will be built, regardless of court ruling or u.s pressure., isolating p'stnns on both sides; if you think it being built arround the west bank, wrong, its being built Within the west bank, almost entirely annexing jerusalem, in particular all of the holy sites, to israel. i went to a talk on zionism (by John Rose)last week. many people were there from the international solidarity movement who had spent time in p'stn and the outlook with pretty bleak, despite these new developenmts. being heavily critical of the motives of zionism has to be distinguished from being anti semetic, and anti jewish. zionism is the apparatus of israely state and the u.s. ; and right to return for palst'nn refugees 'should' be a central issue. ok, (said enough) a few links ive seen recently, year in the arab israeli conflict -radio piece behind the political scenes. John Rose - Israel: the hijack state - article in the guardian photos, Some intersting areal photographs of settlements these areal photos are good too

is that berlin, dont reckonise the train type. looks cained inside and out :burn:

is it just me?; as i european im tired if seeing these trendy sounding frieght threads 'clogging' up this forum. they last for a page with a few running at the same time and then you start a new one with the flics 'i took this afternoon...' I dont mind frieghts, although i find them slightly boring, but- and i say this emploringly- just have have one thread and be damned with. you can chat and post shit to your hearts conent. :( :( :(