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a vague valentines day story

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i dont know much about the details but my dad was tellin me that somehow hallmark fabricated valentines day as a business strategy to sell more cards. ive never heard this from anyones else but my dads a pretty educated guy so..... thats kinda fucked up huh?

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Guest --zeSto--

he's educated in the ways of the conspiracy theory.

There's some truth that more importance is placed on

this sappy day because of the gift industry.

 

here's another one for you to ponder...

--For hundredes of years, Rubies were the 'marrige' stone.

Then DeBoers went and created the notion that a 'diamond is forever'.

So thanks to some dutch propaganda, we've got to shell out thousands

for a precious stone that relates directly to slavery and oppression.

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first off id appreciate it if u didnt talk shit since u dont know me or my family at all. i didnt know that about hte marriage stone. ur on point tho. its funny how the dutch are renouned for being hella liberal and humane and all that when they were some of hte biggest slave exploiters ever. way bigger than the US or Britain. they sold most of the slaves to america way back in the day and have pretty much been fuckin tyrants since the beginning of history. but since they let people smoke weed its all good.

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Originally posted by jah

first off id appreciate it if u didnt talk shit since u dont know me or my family at all. i didnt know that about hte marriage stone. ur on point tho. its funny how the dutch are renouned for being hella liberal and humane and all that when they were some of hte biggest slave exploiters ever. way bigger than the US or Britain. they sold most of the slaves to america way back in the day and have pretty much been fuckin tyrants since the beginning of history. but since they let people smoke weed its all good.

 

How was he talking shit? He said he was educated in conspiracy theory. Nothing else. It's not like he said your dad is a shithead paranoid conspiracy crazed homo. Lighten up.

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sorry 'bout that...

I wasn't talking shit about your family.

You said "my dads a pretty educated guy " . Sure fine.

My comment was about the theory, not about him. s'ok then?

 

And I think were on the same point here.

The big companies convince us that we need to buy buy buy.

But to claim that your product is "the stone of Love"...

baahh! Anything to sell the product.

 

and it's very sad to think about it,

but the history of international trade

is based on the selling of

  • Stolen Land
  • Slaves
  • Diamonds
  • Weapons
  • Tobacco
  • Opium (the opium wars!)
  • Oil and Petrol

 

all things with serious negative connections.

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no prob. i dont know why that bothered me really. i guess its just my mood. first day of quitting smokin and all. were on the same page tho for sure. im pretty sure the reason weeds illegal in the united states is because of the tobacco industries influence because even all the presidents had crops until sometime in the early 20th centurey when tobacco took over. shit pisses me off. shit like that is the reason we got bombed. i hate to say it (in no way do i support bin laden or the al qaeda or anything and i hope theyre strung up for what they did) but i understand why bin laden bombed us. and he did have a rational reason. more reason than weve had to go in and bomb madd countries. the united states are the biggest terrorists in the world, period. we give israel tons of weapons and equipment which they use to keep the palestinians in camps. thats something i ddnt know til i came to europe. i always knew that the US backed the israelis in their "Holy" War but i didnt know that we supported them in keeping palestinians in fuckin camps. no one is allowed to leave these camps without permission from israel. and when theres a bombing or attack, the boarders are closed and no one can pass. that means all the palestinians who work or go to school or whatever across those boarders cant do the shit they need to do. and u know theyre not treated right in the camps.

 

 

 

"the nazis didnt lose the war, they just had to move." guess where they moved to people. the united states.

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ahh...

 

the reason why weed/hemp is still Illegal is very simple.

 

The rich textile merchants (former slave owners)

The rish tobacco companies (legal drug pushers)

The alcohol industry (former bootleggers and rum runners)

all have very powerful lobby groups and give "massive donations" to the govermnent.

 

Here's another theory for you...(about the WTC and all)

 

So there's a massive oil pipeline being built in Afghanistan.

There's two companies that want to build it and controll the profits.

One is owned by the Bush (as in George) family. The other company

is from Argentina. The pipeline is going to supply Rushia with oil.

Do you see the begining of something odd ?

So thanks to the US, the Entire Nation of Argentina goes broke.

Russia will now be in huge debt to the US for the Oil.

Afghanistan wont see any of the profits from the pipeline.

Bush's company was working with the Taliban, but now has it's own puppet government in power.

 

I'll leave the conclusions up to you,

but the facts are starting to add up to something.

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DeBeers has no corporate offices in the US

you know why?

so they dont have to deal with US monoploy laws, amongst other restrictions and laws...

about 98% of the world's diamonds originate from debeers

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i heard about that pipeling building thing in afghanistan. i knew this whole shit was over oil predominately. u just tied all the details together for me tho. i knew bush hit the taliban off with madd weapons and funding to get russia out but i didnt know the exact reason. i justhought it was because russia is our arch enemy. and the whole "war on terrorism" thing was just an excuse to take afghanistan and build pipes. it wasnt necessary to declair a full on war. al they needed was the ringleaders and the al qaeda. the taliban are pretty much freedom fighters (many of wich are from palestine). the united states has the technology and intelligence to go in and take the ringleaders and break up this organization without declaring a full on war in afghanistan. they did that to take control of the country, hence being able to build their pipes. theres some fucked up shit goin on with all this that people dont even know about. all they know is that bush is a hero. bush doesnt give a fuck about people dying. hes executed innocent people himself. id like it if he was shot by firing squad next to bin laden.

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and the way the diamond trade works now...

 

every single stone has a human life attached to it.

African men are killing each other to sell the stones to the Europeans.

 

Think about that next time you hear Puffy/r.kelly/jay-z boasting about their 'ice'.

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Guest --zeSto--

I'm from Toronto. (hence the liberal attitude without the flag waving)

 

I get most of my info from late night talk radio. (stop laughing!)

 

There's no commercial sucess in AM talk radio if it isn't Sports or News,

so you get a lot of real characters on there late at night. There's

a bunch of conspiracy mongers, but there's also a heap of usefull facts.

 

Make your own Conclusions.

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im all for something in the media that isnt bullshit. i watch national geographic and pbs and bbc and all that shit and ive learned some crazy shit. hows toronto? i heard its tight but i havent heard enough about it to want to go there. hows the snow?

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haha.. dont believe the hype! (there's not that much snow.)

The sidewalks and streets are all clear.

 

Toronto's very progressive and liberal.

Figure all the people who had to flee american prosecution (or the draft)

came here. Plus there's huge art and music sceens.

It's technically the most multi-cultural city in the entire world.

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sounds like a cool place tho. and i know for a fact that canada has more hot chicks than the US in proportion. im fuckin there.

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Originally posted by jah

i dont know much about the details but my dad was tellin me that somehow hallmark fabricated valentines day as a business strategy to sell more cards. ive never heard this from anyones else but my dads a pretty educated guy so..... thats kinda fucked up huh?

 

 

another perfectly good martyrdom gone to waste... I think your dad, and most of these conspiracy theorists, get their ideas from the same ass... I mean, they're all getting it from somewhere and the history books are obvious Masonic propaganda...

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smart. im not understanding exactly what ur tryin to say. to me it seems as if ur tryin to tell me my father is just another parranoid, conspiracy theorist who is full of shit and needs to get a life. and if so, how is having this idea of how valentines day was started a conspiracy theory. its a theory, sure; maybe a false theory. i dont know. and i dont think u do either. so tell me where valentines day came from and what sources u get it from. and r u tryin to tell me u dont think that textbooks are propoganda? if u dont then u, my friend, r naiive as fuck. maybe im misunderstanding ur post. if so, i appologise. if not, fuck u and u can go to hell. im tired of people shootin off at the mouth about shit htey know nothing about. none of u know my dad or me so to say that were parranoid conspiracy theorists just because of the fact we thought valentines day was a fabricated hallmark holiday ur an ignorant fuck. if anyone of u went head to head with my dad in an intellectual battle ud be crushed. again, if im misunderstanding ur post im sorry, but im fed up with pointless shit talking. especially about shit like this.

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no dude, I wasn't trying to clown your dad, sorry if it came out that way... I'm just saying, seems like once a year I hear that same story... the fact is that there is an actual Saint Valentino, the guy they named the day after, it's a religios holiday celebrating his martyrdom that goes back 18 centuries... a bit before Hallmark's time.

 

here's a link about the real St. Valentine

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lol. my bad bro. this is my second day with now thc or alcohol in my bloodstream so im more prone to snapping on people. thanx for clearing that up.

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my misunderstaning

 

the reason i said vague was because i didnt know all the details of the story. i went back and told my dad that it wasnt made up and that it was based on the st valentino and he clarrified for me that its been around for hundreds of years but it was never a big holiday that was celebrated all over the world until hallmark took it and blew it up. and that sounds reasonable to me.

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Originally posted by jah

i heard about that pipeling building thing in afghanistan. i knew this whole shit was over oil predominately. u just tied all the details together for me tho. i knew bush hit the taliban off with madd weapons and funding to get russia out but i didnt know the exact reason. i justhought it was because russia is our arch enemy. and the whole "war on terrorism" thing was just an excuse to take afghanistan and build pipes. it wasnt necessary to declair a full on war. al they needed was the ringleaders and the al qaeda. the taliban are pretty much freedom fighters (many of wich are from palestine). the united states has the technology and intelligence to go in and take the ringleaders and break up this organization without declaring a full on war in afghanistan. they did that to take control of the country, hence being able to build their pipes. theres some fucked up shit goin on with all this that people dont even know about. all they know is that bush is a hero. bush doesnt give a fuck about people dying. hes executed innocent people himself. id like it if he was shot by firing squad next to bin laden.

 

I'm going to correct some of this for you, but don't take offense, it's just to straighten it out.

 

"Bush" did not hit the Taliban off with weapons. What did happen was that the US gave assistance in the form of weapons and money to Afghanistan during their war against the Soviet Union back when Cold War stuff was still lingering. There was no Bush back then, it was the 80's, but you were close - there was Reagan, and they are all from the same lineage of power.

 

However, just last year the Bush administration "awarded" the Taliban with over $40 million for eradicating the poppy fields in Afghanistan. This was just a big, dumb war on drugs thing.

 

The Taliban are not 'freedom fighters', nor are they mostly from Palistine, however there are Taliban supporters all throughout the middle east (especially in Pakistan). They are a militant fundamentalist group which siezed control of Afghanistan a while back (not sure of exact year, late 80's?) - and enforced an Islamic police state in which many basic human rights were taken away. Women were banned from going to school, having a job or profession, worshipping in mosques (as in most Islamic nations), even appearing in public without a male-relative escort, and were forced to wear full cloaks (called burkhas) at all times in public. Just last year the Taliban instated a law in which all Hindus must wear a badge identifying themselves as hindus (The other major religion is Sikh, but Sikhs wear turbans and are thus identifieable and distinguishable, whereas hindus are not as different looking from muslims).

 

However, the new government which recently took back power is not much better (in human rights areas) than the Taliban. So anyone with any intelligence knows that this war was not to eradicate the Taliban, but, yes, to perhaps cozy up to individuals with oil interests....? I don't know much about the Pipeline information though.

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in a way they are freedom fighters tho. im not saying theyre right in what they do, but one of the main reasons this sht went down in cuz of the israelis supressing the palestinians so much and the US us aiding them and letting them do it. theyre in a fuckin camp for christ sake. and another reason is because they see the west as a satanic way of life. they think were immoral and currupt.... i dont know why i said most of the taliban was palestinians. i didnt mean to say that. but nationality isnt really the big issue with these attacks. its more of a religious thing. and since palestinians are mostly muslim, they are kinda freedom fighters. does that make sense? maybe im wrong. im just goin off the info i have.

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Re: my misunderstaning

 

okay, I'm not even gonna get in the new argument but...

 

Originally posted by jah

the reason i said vague was because i didnt know all the details of the story. i went back and told my dad that it wasnt made up and that it was based on the st valentino and he clarrified for me that its been around for hundreds of years but it was never a big holiday that was celebrated all over the world until hallmark took it and blew it up. and that sounds reasonable to me.

 

yeah, I think it was basically a Catholic holiday until recently, but then, alot of people celebrate and want to be Irish on St. Patty's day to... I don't think the beer companies started that one, so get mad drunk celebrating a holiday that has managed to keep itself free of commercialization, except those stupid hats...

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