kl0x Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Hey I just heard about this new system on trains that can detect the rattleing of a paint can.. Does anyone know anything about this? Meaning Bullshit/Fact? Thanks and let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SameName Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Sounds like bullshit. But I guess it could be possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clownshoes Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 yeah..soundsl like bullshit. use a magnet or something.. but thats gota be crap..all the rumbling a train does when moving..somebody goes around turning the system on at stops? doesnt make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
civilized neanderthal Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 have you ever listened to the noise in a yard/layup when a train ISNT moving? theres usually some louder than a paint can. besides, that seems like it would cost a lot of money and be pretty impractical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentone Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 i don't think the railroads care this much about graffiti. they have more importand issues like terrorism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abracadabra Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 i don't know if you're talking about commuter or freight trains, but depending on yard/layup, there may well be pressure/light/sound/movement detectors. they exist, and are used to protect trains. ask our friends in london, they'll tell you all about them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kl0x Posted December 27, 2006 Author Share Posted December 27, 2006 Ah damn... Thats what I was afraid of... I was all happy and shit when I heard everyone saying bullshit then I see some reply about london... Damn. Well I dont think theyre is anything like thet around here but maybe higher up around ny? eh. oh well, thanks anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¤Shark¤ Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 Nah. im pretty sure thats a load of crap. seriously, as someone said before, they have more important terrorism issues to worry about. And the time, labour, and amount of money put into this is absolutly useless. painters will still have markers, its not gonna stop anything. And it wouldnt work. every rattle of a paint can is at a different frequency depending on how hard u shake it, how much paint is in it, what its in etc: this is totally impractical because the sensor may pick up a stone rattling in against someones keys or something similar. this MAY be the same frequency as the rattling ball in the paint can. which is entirely the point. its just too impractical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kl0x Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share Posted December 29, 2006 Yeah. Im glad someone has made a nice valid point. I heard it from a friend who is very reliable on information and one HELL of an artist at that. I dunno though. I guess for now ill call bull until I hear more information from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckfiftyexports Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Your reliable friend is having a laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¤Shark¤ Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landpirate Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 i know in the UK where the vigin trains are stored that they have stuff like that and heat sensors , motion sensors well, thats what ive heard id love to know if its true though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckfiftyexports Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Go test it mate, easiest way to find out. But I GARENTEE there is no detection system that picks up on the rattling of a can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce_1nR Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Good god, if this ever happened, every day I would be throwing empty paint cans into the yard...or while I'm painting, throw an empty can and the SENSOR ROBOTS with the sound seeking missles will head in that direction. GULLY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¤Shark¤ Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 hahaha...imagine that. throw cans and run out of a train and hide. 5 min later u see a swat team arrive and about 10 other cops all ready to catch a graff artist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakV2.0 Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 i don't know if you're talking about commuter or freight trains, but depending on yard/layup, there may well be pressure/light/sound/movement detectors. they exist, and are used to protect trains. ask our friends in london, they'll tell you all about them true, but they werent put there soley to catch writers. like someone else said, terrorism. the LU had to deal with a big threat from the IRA in the 90's and 90's (did you know there are no rubbish bins anywhere on a LU station? so the IRA couldnt place a bomb in a bin) and then the 7/7 attacks not to long ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 As an alarm tech I may have some insight 1. If you have enough money you can make/buy one, there are sensors all ready in mass production that detect glass breaking that can tell if the glass is tempered (breaks into small pieces) or plate glass. There is no such sensor in mass production yet but It would be easy to make. Items of this nature are all ready patented but not cost effective. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7064664.html Check this one too for laughs: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5528220.html 2. More effective is a camera system that sounds an alarm when motion is detected. You can program them to sense movement of a specific type like people sized objects entering a yard perimeter. These cameras need little or no light to work (much less than your eyes need). 3.Motion detectors (passive infra red sensors) are not effective in outdoor settings due to false alarms and less coverage area. They work by sensing heat from an object changing position. Outdoors settings have too much movement of heat (birds, animals, bugs, warm garbage or leaves blowing) The best way to defeat these systems is to learn how they work. You can google motion detectors, DVR camera systems, and alarms to at least know what to look for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wry Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 that must take a rediculous amount of money and a place that has been hit tons of times..... thats very xtreme. ive seen this choper that circles train yards everynight and day with night vision cameras, they bragged how they have already jailed two dudes given them 2 years in prison each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Cost for camera system with 16 cameras that detects motion and sounds alarm: less than $7000. Cost of labor for installing such a system in a medium sized train yard: $5000 Getting a good chunk of that loot and knowing how to defeat that system: PRICELE$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidx Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Check this one too for laughs: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5528220.html I'm laughing so hard I'm crying! How fucking retarded can people get? I mean seriously,"I'm tired of seeing spraypaint on the walls in my city, I'll make a security defense to spray water on them, that'll teach em'." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delonemonkey Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 yo spraying anti graffiti chemicals on taggers when anything becomes adjacent to the wall... what happens if some old ladys waiting for the bus and gets wet with that chemical sht, sht would be hilarious. but ya they also have motion sensors now in nyc tunnels, bring a bat and smash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Better way to beat motion detectors, cover them with aluminum foil and jet. Smashing them will only bring heat (they send trouble signals) and will be repaired. If you can cover it with aluminum the owner will never know its not working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skirmfirm Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 security mesures are never SPECIFICALLY to catch writers, there just for general security. ANd about the virgin trains thing, it depends on which lay up and yard not the type of train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wry Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 they dont spend our tax money on that shit, do they? i listen to people bitch on radio,news,etc. about how the people spend there tax money cleaning up graffiti. most of that is a bunch of BS, cause i know most of the ''graffiti clean up'' cash from taxes goes to paint an abandon building that was already an ugly peice of shit standing for the pubic to see, but its not considerd ugly till it gets painted with graffiti? what about the fucking thousands of dollars poured into churches, and repainting ''demo'' buildings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinky the kid Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 god i hate living in this time era.... thanks alot ! 2789 ! its good to see people doing research instead of saying "smash them cameras good!" but yeah this shit is fucking ridiculous, even if its all bullshit it still sucks to hear rumors like this yea know? ive heard that overseas they also are making "paint filters" that sound and alarm when paint fumes hit the filters, sounds retarded but totally possible..... its been a while since a revolution, hopefully we get one, for once... (i usually dont make posts like this but my cable is out and im actually being forced to think today...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FREIGHTYONE Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 Rail workers use paint in yards too from time to time. I'm calling bullshit on this, at least for freights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wry Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 they got people with high tech shit watching yards. night vision etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurfin' Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 ok here in california we have whats called "tag sat" and it is a sensor thats put on all the graff hot spots. this sensor detects the whistle of a spray paint can and can filter out other noises because of the tone of a spraycan. when a sensor is set off then the police are notified and are on the scene within minutes. true story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_gacy Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 Yeah, when I read dude's question I though he was thinking of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skirmfirm Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 ok here in california we have whats called "tag sat" and it is a sensor thats put on all the graff hot spots. this sensor detects the whistle of a spray paint can and can filter out other noises because of the tone of a spraycan. when a sensor is set off then the police are notified and are on the scene within minutes. true story bullshit 600ers sound fully diff and almost silent to 400mls, also what if there was noise in the yard which threr usually is ALSO spray paint noise is so low it cant really be heard after about 10 meteres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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