fear of muslims/nazi germany, feel the love yet?

[lord_casek]

In U.S., fear and distrust of Muslims runs deep

 

 

By Bernd Debusmann, Special Correspondent

WASHINGTON (Reuters)- When radio host Jerry Klein suggested that all Muslims in the United States should be identified with a crescent-shape tattoo or a distinctive arm band, the phone lines jammed instantly.

The first caller to the station in Washington said that Klein must be "off his rocker." The second congratulated him and added: "Not only do you tattoo them in the middle of their forehead but you ship them out of this country ... they are here to kill us."

Another said that tattoos, armbands and other identifying markers such as crescent marks on driver's licenses, passports and birth certificates did not go far enough. "What good is identifying them?" he asked. "You have to set up encampments like during World War Two with the Japanese and Germans."

 

 

 

 

 

At the end of the one-hour show, rich with arguments on why visual identification of "the threat in our midst" would alleviate the public's fears, Klein revealed that he had staged a hoax. It drew out reactions that are not uncommon in post-9/11 America.

"I can't believe any of you are sick enough to have agreed for one second with anything I said," he told his audience on the AM station 630 WMAL (http://www.wmal.com/), which covers Washington, Northern Virginia and Maryland

"For me to suggest to tattoo marks on people's bodies, have them wear armbands, put a crescent moon on their driver's license on their passport or birth certificate is disgusting. It's beyond disgusting.

"Because basically what you just did was show me how the German people allowed what happened to the Jews to happen ... We need to separate them, we need to tattoo their arms, we need to make them wear the yellow Star of David, we need to put them in concentration camps, we basically just need to kill them all because they are dangerous."

The show aired on November 26, the Sunday after the Thanksgiving holiday, and Klein said in an interview afterwards he had been surprised by the response.

 

"The switchboard went from empty to totally jammed within minutes," said Klein. "There were plenty of callers angry with me, but there were plenty who agreed."

POLLS SHOW WIDESPREAD ANTI-MUSLIM SENTIMENT

Those in agreement are not a fringe minority: A Gallup poll this summer of more than 1,000 Americans showed that 39 percent were in favor of requiring Muslims in the United States, including American citizens, to carry special identification.

Roughly a quarter of those polled said they would not want to live next door to a Muslim and a third thought that Muslims in the United States sympathized with al Qaeda, the extremist group behind the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington.

 

 

 

 

 

A poll carried out by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), an advocacy group, found that for one in three Americans, the word Islam triggers negative connotations such as "war," "hatred" and "terrorist." The war in Iraq has contributed to such perceptions.

Klein's show followed a week of heated discussions on talk radio, including his own, and online forums over an incident on November 22 involving six Muslim clerics. They were handcuffed and taken off a US Airways flight after passengers reported "suspicious behavior" that included praying in the departure gate area.

The clerics, on their way to a meeting of the North American Imams Federation, were detained in a holding cell, questioned by police and FBI agents, and released. Muslim community leaders saw the incident as yet more evidence of anti-Muslim prejudice.

 

 

IGNORANCE SEEN AS KEY PROBLEM

Several American Muslims interviewed on the subject of prejudice over the past few weeks said ignorance was at the core of the problem.

"The level of knowledge is very, very low," said Mohamed Esa, a U.S. Muslim of Arab descent who teaches a course on Islam at McDaniel College in Maryland. "There are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world and some people think they are all terrorists."

Hossam Ahmed, a retired Air Force Reserve colonel who occasionally leads prayer meetings for the small Muslim congregation at the Pentagon, agreed. "Ignorance is the number one problem. Education is of the essence."

There are no hard figures on how many Muslims have been subject to harassment or prejudice and community leaders say that ugly incidents can prompt spontaneous expressions of support. Such as the e-mail a Minneapolis woman sent to CAIR after the imams were taken off their flight.

"I would like to ... help," the e-mail said. "While I cannot offer plane tickets, I would be happy to drive at least 2 or 3 of them. My car is small, but at least some of our hearts in this land of the free are large."

 

And optimists saw signs of change in the November 4 election of the first Muslim to the U.S. House of Representatives, which has 435 members.

Democrat Keith Ellison, a 43-year-old African-American lawyer, did not stress his religion during his campaign for a Minnesota seat, but said his victory would "signal to people who are not Muslims that Muslims have a lot to offer to the United States and the improvement of our country."

 

 

 

 

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=inDepthNews&storyID=2006-12-01T142541Z_01_N30158201_RTRUKOC_0_US-USA-MUSLIMS-FEAR.xml&pageNumber=0&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage3

[Dawood]

the quran..

 

"They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses) if you understand. (Aali Imran 3:118) "

 

Allah speaks the truth.

 

It's sad though because when I mix with non muslims and we get to know one another, I sometimes get a response from them that they are amazed and actually ashamed of themselves how prejudiced against muslims they were before they got to know me and my family.

I blame it on the news media, there is definately a concentrated effort in hollywood and popular western news to demonize Islam and muslims in general. The reasons for that in my opinion are many but at least let's say that people are cashing in on the whole terrorism hype with these new movies and it being all over the news. Let's not mince words, It's just plain profitable for a certain group of people to capitolize on this while at the same time stragetically positioning themselves to stay fat. Muslims are just the new niggers to exploit these days, thats all.

[lord_casek]

well said. i don't hate you or any other muslim.

so, count me as atleast one american who doesn't hate

because some media outlet told me to.

 

you know what is funny? a list:

 

over there (middle east: imams denounce violence against any and all people (esp. their own)

over here (u.s.a.): we only hear about the mass killings by bomb, beheadings, etc.

over there: the u.s.a. is using depleted uranium to bomb the shit out of the m.e.

over here: there are already soldiers coming back with cancers, lung problems, etc.

 

it's all a big farce. two birds. one giant exploding stone filled with DU.

[Theo Huxtable.]

[Theo Huxtable.]

well said. i don't hate you or any other muslim.

so, count me as atleast one american who doesn't hate

because some media outlet told me to.

 

you know what is funny? a list:

 

over there (middle east: imams denounce violence against any and all people (esp. their own)

over here (u.s.a.): we only hear about the mass killings by bomb, beheadings, etc.

over there: the u.s.a. is using depleted uranium to bomb the shit out of the m.e.

over here: there are already soldiers coming back with cancers, lung problems, etc.

 

it's all a big farce. two birds. one giant exploding stone filled with DU.

 

let us not forget the numerous media outlets and propaganda in the middle east that tells people to hate (and kill) jews, israelis, christians, americans, westerners, etc.

 

you should see some of the palestinian and hezbollah cartoons aimed at kids which advocates the killing of jews.

[Dawood]

I live in Egypt right now and I look like this guy (except about 10 years younger)

and when I meet people in the streets and they find out I don't speak arabic well, they usually ask me where I'm from, especially kids , then theyll go into asking me if I love George Bush and they are so surprised I am muslim. Basically, they are taught that there are no muslims in America and that Americans all hate muslims (which seems to be almost 50% accurate) Anyway, people here are just perplexed as to why the US is killing muslims and the kids are definatly taught to hate America (not so much here) but in places like Iraq definately and why wouldn't they hate America? If Mexico was occupying the US you'd be hating a Mexican too. It's human nature, but honestly, intellegent people have always been the ones to bring the end to any feud and my philosiphy is "don't be stupid and be fuel for the fire" Be intellegent and look for a way to extiguish it with sense.

[Theo Huxtable.]

not surprising. but remember they were hating america before the us occupied iraq and afghanistan.

[Abracadabra]

alot of the world dislikes america for one reason or another. alot of it has to do with your sitcoms. seriously guys, give the rest of the world a break. what on earth gave you the idea that anyone would like will & grace?

[lord_casek]

let us not forget the numerous media outlets and propaganda in the middle east that tells people to hate (and kill) jews, israelis, christians, americans, westerners, etc.

 

you should see some of the palestinian and hezbollah cartoons aimed at kids which advocates the killing of jews.

 

 

i have seen some of them. it's very odd.

 

 

abc: now they are YOUR sitcoms, too. as for american television, meh. nothing worth watching. i fully agree.

[HardyHarHar]

In U.S., fear and distrust of Muslims runs deep

 

Those in agreement are not a fringe minority: A Gallup poll this summer of more than 1,000 Americans showed that 39 percent were in favor of requiring Muslims in the United States, including American citizens, to carry special identification.

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Fuck. That's scary.

[Theo Huxtable.]

alot of the world dislikes america for one reason or another. alot of it has to do with your sitcoms. seriously guys, give the rest of the world a break. what on earth gave you the idea that anyone would like will & grace?

 

i think there is a simple solution: don't watch it. the only reason these american sitcoms are imported overseas is because apparently a large enough population of europeans, asians, australians, etc. want to watch it. if an american program fails in a certain part of the world then it is no longer shown. if it's still running (like will & grace) in certain countries then the show must be well-received.

 

and trust me pretty much every dude i know doesn't watch will & grace

[En Sabah Nur]

maybe both muslims and christians should agree to abandon their fantastikaal beliefs and start thinking about what's really going on.

[r3ader]

maybe both muslims and christians should agree to abandon their fantastikaal beliefs and start thinking about what's really going on.

 

and what's that? JA throw ups?

 

but seriously...

 

1. Christian (i.e. American) hate of other religious groups (Muslims especially as of late, but not just Muslims, all religions that aren't Christian-based) is based on Pauls' ideology of "the only way to Heaven is through Christ Jesus" and the Catholic follow through of this ideology. Mind you, Christians were killing Jews (pogroms), other Christians (the Inquisition, Crusades) and Muslims (Crusades) long before the current conflict.

2. Muslims are taught something very similar to the forementioned ideology: that the only way to Heaven is by being a Muslim, and usually a very specific sect of Islam, such as Wahabbists (Saudi's) only think Wahabbists will make it, not Shiites, etc. (This is from what Muslim friends of mine have taught me; I acknowledge I could be incorrect.)

3. I've got a beard and I cover my head, but I'm a Jew, but being in Texas (Bible Belt Central) I get Nazi symbols (the "heil hitler" hand gesture) and "go back to your country you damn muslim" quite frequently. People are clueless.

4. Modern American churches rely heavily on the info. in #1 for conversion and such, so the concept of "Christians Hooray and Muslims Boooooo" will not be going away soon. The best you can hope to do is to reason with people and educate 1 at a time.

5. It all goes back to the Israel-Palestine conflict... although Jews made Jerusalem what it is, (not just in a modern context: Mohammed wouldn't've cared about Jerusalem if the [Jewish] Temple hadn't been there, Jerusalem is truly "the Holy Land") the majority of Muslims will always believe they have the right to the entire section of Land that is currently Israel and Jews will always believe they should have the entire section of land that is currently Israel. Period. So the fighting will never stop.

 

Plus there's so much blood shed on either side there's enough ill will to go around for eon's.

[Qawee]

Ja and Foe throwups

[Dawood]

Advice and Invitation for the Popes to (Accept) Islaam

By Ash-Shaikh Rabee’ bin Haadee Al-Madkhalee (May Allaah preserve him)

Translated by Aqeel Walker

 

 

In the Name of Allaah, The Most Merciful, The Giver of Mercy

 

All praise is due to Allaah, and may prayers of blessing and peace be upon the Messenger of Allaah, and upon his family, his companions, and whoever follows his guidance. Thus to proceed:

 

Indeed it has been broadcasted, and circulated in the media from the broadcasts, newspapers, and internet sites, that the Pope of the Vatican, Benedict the 16th, has verbally attacked Islaam and the Messenger of Allaah, Muhammad (‘alayhis-salaatu was-salaam). He has described Muhammad (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam), and his message as being evil and harsh thinking! And this is a matter that is amazing, startling, and contradictory to logic, intelligence, and the reality of the pure Islaam. That is the Islaam that Allaah used to bring humanity out of the darkness and into the light, and out of the injustice of the religions and into the justice of Islaam, which is even testified to by the intelligent people of its enemies. I will not prolong in praising Islaam and the Messenger of Islaam, for indeed the world has been filled with such praise, and the libraries are overflowing with it. Therefore, I will summarize by saying:

 

Verily Muhammad is the really and truly the Messenger of Allaah. Allaah sent him as a mercy to all the creation. He sent him as a bearer of glad tidings, as a warner, and as a caller to Allaah, and as an illuminating source of light.

 

He came with the matter of respecting the Prophets and their Books. Rather, he came with the matter of loving them, believing in them, and believing in their Books. Allaah, the Most High said: “The Messenger (Muhammad) has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and so do the believers. All of them believe in Allaah, and His Angels, and His Books (Scriptures), and His Messengers. We do not separate between anyone from His Messengers.” [Al-Baqarah:285]

And Allaah, the Most High said, commanding Muhammad (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) and his nation of followers: “Say: We believe in Allaah, and what has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Ibraaheem, and Ismaa’eel, and Ishaaq, and Ya’qoob, and the tribes, and what was given to Moosaa, and ‘Eesaa, and what was given to the Prophets from their Lord. We do not separate between anyone from them, and we submit to Him (Allaah) as Muslims.” [Al-Baqarah:136]

And Allaah, the Most High, said, “Say (O Muhammad): We believe in Allaah, and what was revealed to us, and what was revealed to Ibraaheem (Abraham), and Ismaa’eel (Ishmail), and Ishaaq (Isac), and Ya’qoob (Jacob), and the tribes, and what was given to Moosaa (Moses), and ‘Eesaa (Jesus), and the Prophets from their Lord. We do not separate between anyone from them, and we submit to Him (Allaah) as Muslims.” [Aal ‘Imraan:84]

 

Muhammad (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) came with justice, and kindness, and he prohibited lewdness, evil, and transgression. “Verily Allaah commands justice, and kindness, and giving (charity) to the relatives, and he forbids lewdness, evil, and transgression. He admonishes you all so that perhaps you will remember.” [An-Nahl:90]

 

He (Muhammad) came with Jihaad (struggling for the cause of Allaah) in order to raise the Word of Allaah, and to defeat the disbelief (Kufr), associating partners with Allaah (Shirk), and corruption (Fasaad). And indeed Moosaa (Moses) (‘alayhis-salaatu was-salaam) preceded him in that, and the Prophets of the Children of Israa’eel did so as well after Moosaa.

 

And he (Muhammad) came with the legislation of legal retaliation, and capitol punishments in order to preserve the religion, the souls (i.e. lives), the honors, and the wealth and possessions. And indeed Moosaa (Moses) preceded him in that, and the Prophets of the Children of Israa’eel did so as well after Moosaa. That is good, righteousness, and a protection for the honors of the people and their wealth, etc. It is also for the spreading of safety, security, and brining about the benefits, as well as repelling the harmful things. And no one describes Muhammad and his Message with evil, except a lying disbeliever who also reviles Moosaa and his Message, and who reviles the Prophets after Moosaa as well, who all judged and ruled according to the Torah.

 

Allaah, the Most High, said, “Verily, We did send down the Taurât (Torah) [to Moosaa (Moses)], therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to Allâh's Will, judged the Jews. And the rabbis and the priests [too judged the Jews by the Taurât (Torah) after those Prophets] for to them was entrusted the protection of Allâh's Book, and they were witnesses thereto. Therefore fear not men but fear Me (O Jews) and sell not My Verses for a miserable price. And whosoever does not judge by what Allâh has revealed, such are the Kaafiroon (i.e. disbelievers - of a lesser degree as they do not act on Allâh's Laws). And We ordained therein for them: "A life for life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that which Allâh has revealed, such are the Thaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers - of a lesser degree).” [Al-Maa’idah:44-45]

 

And The Most High said, “Let the people of the Injeel (Gospel) judge by what Allâh has revealed therein. And whosoever does not judge by what Allâh has revealed (then) such (people) are the Faasiqoon (the rebellious i.e. disobedient (of a lesser degree) to Allâh.” [Al-Maa’idah:47]

 

And indeed the Jews and Christians disbelieved in the Torah and the Gospel, so they do not act according to what these two Books contain of beliefs and laws. And they rejected Muhammad (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam), the one who came verifying the truthfulness of the Prophets and their Books, from among them being the Torah and Gospel (Injeel).

 

They disbelieved in Muhammad and what his Message contained of belief in all of the Prophets, and belief in what was in the Torah and the Gospel, and what they contained of beliefs and laws, except what Islaam abrogated.

 

They (the Jews and Christians) waged war against him (Muhammad) in the most severe way, especially their rabbis, monks, priests and popes, due to their arrogance, pride, jealousy, and transgression after they had changed their Books, and played around with the texts of the Books, and distorted what was in those Books of beliefs, monotheism (Tawheed), and faith (Eemaan), changing it to polytheism (Shirk), disbelief, and rejecting what was in them of laws!!

 

So if this was their position regarding their Books which they claim to have faith in, then how would it be difficult for them to disbelieve Muhammad, and what he came with of the Qur’aan, which no falsehood comes to it from before it nor after it?!

 

O People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), repent to Allaah with sincere repentance, and follow Muhammad, whom your Scriptures have given you the good news of his coming, as did ‘Eesaa (Jesus – ‘alayhis-salaatu was-salaam) where he said, “And (remember) when 'Eesaa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: “O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allâh unto you confirming the Taurât [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.” But when he (Ahmad, i.e. Muhammad) came to them with clear proofs, they said: “This is plain magic.” [As-Saff:6]

“Say (O Muhammad): O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allâh, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allâh. Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims."” [Aal ‘Imraan:64]

“O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): "Why do you mix truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know?"” [Aal ‘Imraan:71]

“Say: "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Why do you prevent those who have believed, from the Path of Allâh, seeking to make it seem crooked, while you (yourselves) are witnesses [to Muhammad as a Messenger of Allâh and Islâm (Allâh's Religion, i.e. to worship none but Him Alone)]? And Allâh is not unaware of what you do."” [Aal ‘Imraan:99]

 

O you who is called Pope of the Vatican, accept Islaam, and you will be safe. Allaah will reward you twice. But if you refuse, then the sin of your followers from the European Christians, and other Christians who are non-Europeans, will be upon you. Accept Islaam and the people of your religion will be safe, and Allaah will enter you all into a Paradise whose width is like the heavens and the earth, and it has been prepared for those who are pious (Muttaqoon), the followers of the truthful Messengers. Believe in this Mighty Qur’aan, which is the master or protector over all of the (previous) messages (revelations, scriptures), and it has come with the correct beliefs, and just laws that are supported by proper reasoning and the sound nature.

 

Believe (O Pope)! You and your followers, in this Qur’aan which contains what I have mentioned to you, and it has attained a level of being miraculous which cannot be achieved by any material or figurative miracle.

 

Allaah challenges the Jinns and the humans to bring something like it, and they have not been able to produce its like. Rather, they have not been able to produce even ten chapters like it. Rather, they have not been able to produce even a single chapter like it. They have been unable, unable, unable, even if they helped each other in the attempt. In this alone is what would call the Popes and their followers to believe if they had any portion of intelligence, reasoning, comprehension, and fairness in thinking.

 

Accept Islaam, O you Popes, you will be safe, and you will have as your reward a Paradise whose width is the heavens and the earth. If you do not, then be assured that for you is the severe and eternal punishment of a Fire that Allaah has prepared for the disbelievers. Its heat is severe, and its depth is far (i.e. deep). Allaah, the Most High, says in the Mighty Qur’aan, and His Most Wise Book, “Verily, We have prepared for the disbelievers iron chains, iron collars, and a blazing Fire.” [insaan:4]

And the Most High said in His Mighty Book, “And leave Me Alone to deal with the deniers (those who deny My Verses, etc.), and those who are in possession of good things of life. And give them respite for a little while. Verily, with Us are fetters (to bind them), and a raging Fire. And a food that chokes, and a painful torment. On the Day when the earth and the mountains will be in a violent shake, and the mountains will be a heap of sand poured out and flowing down. Verily, We have sent to you (O men) a Messenger (Muhammad) to be a witness over you, as We did send a Messenger [Moosaa (Moses)] to Fir'aun (Pharaoh). But Fir'aun (Pharaoh) disobeyed the Messenger [Moosaa (Moses)], so We seized him with a severe punishment.” [Al-Muzzammil:11-16]

 

O you Popes, do not be deceived by the worldly life, and do not let the Deceiver (Satan) deceive you about Allaah. And know that verily your predecessors distorted your books, and corrupted your religion, and they made men gods besides Allaah, and they claimed that ‘Eesaa (Jesus) was the son of Allaah, or the third of three (A trinity of divinity with Allaah). Yet Allaah is far exalted above such a thing, in a most tremendous way.

 

Allaah said in His Book, that is eternal, miraculous and preserved from distortion and change, “Say (O Muhammad): He is Allâh, (the) One. Allâh-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks). He begets not, nor was He begotten; And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him.” [Al-Ikhlaas:1-4]

 

And the Most High said in this Magnificent, Miraculous Book, “Indeed you have brought forth (said) a terrible evil thing. Whereby the heavens are almost torn, and the earth is split asunder, and the mountains fall in ruins, That they ascribe a son (or offspring or children) to the Most Beneficent (Allâh). But it is not suitable for (the Majesty of) the Most Beneficent (Allâh) that He should beget a son (or offspring or children). There is none in the heavens and the earth but comes unto the Most Beneficent (Allâh) as a slave. Verily, He knows each one of them, and has counted them a full counting. And everyone of them will come to Him alone on the Day of Resurrection (without any helper, or protector or defender).” [Maryam:89-95]

 

O People of the Book (Jews and Christians)! And O you Popes! Indeed every Messenger came with pure monotheism (At-Tawheed), and they waged war against polytheism (Ash-Shirk). And from among them was ‘Eesaa (Jesus – ‘alayhis-salaatu was-salaam). The Most High said, “Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allâh is the Messiah ['Eesaa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary)." But the Messiah ['Eesaa (Jesus)] said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allâh, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allâh, then Allâh has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the Thaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers) there are no helpers.” [Al-Maa’idah:72]

 

Thus, he (Jesus – ‘alayhis-salaatu was-salaam) commanded the worship of Allaah alone, and he made it clear that Allaah was his Lord, and the Lord of those whom he was speaking to, and that he was sent to them as a Messenger, and that whoever associated any partners with Allaah, then indeed Allaah had made the Paradise forbidden for such a person and his final abode would be in the Hell-Fire.

 

And Allaah, the Most High, said, “Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no ilâh (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilâh (God -Allâh). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.” [Al-Maa’idah:73]

 

So stop what you are doing O you Christians and Popes. Stop that which Allaah has warned you against of deifying ‘Eesaa (Jesus), and anything else besides him from the created things. And if you do not stop, then you all are upon disbelief and polytheism, and the recompense for that is that Allaah will make forbidden for you all the Paradise, and He will make your final abode be the Hell-Fire.

 

Do not be deceived by that which you found your predecessors upon, and your Popes, and your priests or monks. For verily I swear by Allaah that they are upon falsehood and disbelief. Indeed they distorted the Torah and the Gospel (Injeel) as I have mentioned to you previously.

 

And do not think that ‘Eesaa (Jesus) will intercede for you or enter you into the Paradise, and save you from the Hell-Fire, because that is something that is not under his control. Because you all have opposed him, and you have opposed his belief, the belief of pure monotheism (At-Tawheed). And you all have taken him as a god, while he himself rejects whoever does that, and he will disavow himself from you and your misguidance, and your taking him and his mother as two gods besides Allaah.

 

The Most High said, “And (remember) when Allâh will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Eesaa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allâh?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All Knower of all that is hidden and unseen. Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allâh) did command me to say: 'Worship Allâh, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, verily You, only You are the All Mighty, the All Wise.” [Al-Maa’idah:116-116]

 

So this is ‘Eesaa freeing himself of the beliefs (‘Aqeedah) of the Christians, and their false belief regarding him and his mother, that they are two deities besides Allaah. And he will make it clear before Allaah that he did not command the people except with what His Lord commanded him with. “Worship Allaah, my Lord and your Lord.” So Allaah is his Lord, and the Lord of all the people. And it is impossible that ‘Eesaa (Jesus) would claim for himself or his mother godship or divinity, or that he would command the people to associate partners with Allaah (i.e. worship anything other than Allaah).

 

Therefore, if you all reject what this message contains of realities, and you dispute and argue regarding that, then verily I call you all to invoke the curse of Allaah, just as Allaah commanded His truthful and trustworthy Messenger (Muhammad) to do. Allaah said to him (Muhammad – sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam), “Then whoever disputes with you concerning him ['Eesaa (Jesus)] after (all this) knowledge that has come to you, [i.e. 'Eesaa (Jesus)] being a slave of Allâh, and having no share in Divinity) say: (O Muhammad) "Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves - then we pray and invoke (sincerely) the Curse of Allâh upon those who lie.” [Aal ‘Imraan:61]

 

And for myself, and for every Muslim there is a good example in that, with Muhammad (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) (i.e. the Prophet Muhammad did this before us regarding the lies of the Christians.). And may peace be upon whoever follows the right guidance.

 

Written by Ash-Shaikh Rabee’ bin Haadee ‘Umayr Al-Madkhalee

Sha’baan 24, 1427 Hijri

[russell jones]

Ahh, Pope Benedict was quoting a medieval writer when he characterized Islam negatively. He wasn't expressing his own views or those of the contemporary Catholic church.

[Dawood]

yeah, right. I don't buy that, that was just his cop out after it hit the fan. He obviously feels that way and, that's his prerogative, I just posted the letter to him because he did get it and I'm sure none of you would've ever read that letter if someone didn't show it to you. I'm sure the vatican won't publicise it.

[russell jones]

I'm sure I could find many Muslim leaders and followers being derogatory towards Christianity... your posts for instance.

[Larry Pubes]

seriously guys, give the rest of the world a break. what on earth gave you the idea that anyone would like will & grace?

 

 

2 words...

 

 

 

kylie

 

minogue

[tabloid-]

Is it any wonder that Americans don't accept Muslims? It's not like they see any positive messages. The average American watches something like 4 hours of TV a day, then they go to work and talk about what they watched on TV. I don't think I've ever seen ( not to say it doesn't exist ) a Muslim run soup kitchen. The only images you see of muslims is the " evil terrorist". When you deliberatly try and program people.... they get programmed. The masses are easily manipulated. With this current administration... who for lack of a better term are war profitiers, and always have been ( look to the Ford administration). They saw an opportunity to capatilse on the fears of Americans, and now they are stealing billions from them.

 

IT's not like this is the first time.... shit.... at least Muslim Americans haven't been put in detainment camps.... yet. I hear Haliburton has made a couple.

[Dawood]

word, I'm outta here.

 

and I know of muslim soup kitchens, charitable orginazations, etc. theres plenty. It's just like you said, the negative media coverage and imagery outweighs the good. I mean, until now people still think the "Indians" (native Americans) were war mongering savages because of John wayne movies and the like.

[Dawood]

I'm sure I could find many Muslim leaders and followers being derogatory towards Christianity... your posts for instance.

 

Russel, You never ,ever, ever, ever, not once, not ever, never read one of my posts speaking in a derogative manner about Jesus or Moses or any prophet attributed to Christianity or Judaism. Never. I'll admit I do speak of the contradicitions within christianity that i've found, not christians, but christianity, because if I singled out christians to find contradictions in then I'd be a hipocrite because contradictions in peoples behavior exist no matter what faith they claim.

If you find a post of mine bashing christianity, then I'm wrong, but if you find a post of mine voicing my opinion on the way christians practice christianity as opposed to the way Jesus was, then that's not speaking derogatively, that's speaking the truth.

 

Anyway, the pope was alluding to the prophet Muhammad when he quoted that medieval writer. Muslims respect the prophets and wouldn't speak evil of them unless they were ignorant.

[tabloid-]

word, I'm outta here.

 

and I know of muslim soup kitchens, charitable orginazations, etc. theres plenty. It's just like you said, the negative media coverage and imagery outweighs the good. I mean, until now people still think the "Indians" (native Americans) were war mongering savages because of John wayne movies and the like.

 

funny you mentioned native Americans... if my memory serves correctly most native american cultures didn't have a word for 'war'.

[russell jones]

Russel, You never ,ever, ever, ever, not once, not ever, never read one of my posts speaking in a derogative manner about Jesus or Moses or any prophet attributed to Christianity or Judaism. Never. I'll admit I do speak of the contradicitions within christianity that i've found, not christians, but christianity, because if I singled out christians to find contradictions in then I'd be a hipocrite because contradictions in peoples behavior exist no matter what faith they claim.

If you find a post of mine bashing christianity, then I'm wrong, but if you find a post of mine voicing my opinion on the way christians practice christianity as opposed to the way Jesus was, then that's not speaking derogatively, that's speaking the truth.

 

Anyway, the pope was alluding to the prophet Muhammad when he quoted that medieval writer. Muslims respect the prophets and wouldn't speak evil of them unless they were ignorant.

 

Perhaps, and I'm not going to bother trying to find the posts, but you have stated how stupid it is for people to believe that Jesus is God, and from time to time you do it in a very flippant and dismissive way. Truth depends on someone's point of view, remember what Obi-wan said?

 

What exactly did the pope say anyway? Not that I'm trying to defend him or anything.

[russell jones]

funny you mentioned native Americans... if my memory serves correctly most native american cultures didn't have a word for 'war'.

 

Almost every society has warriors and has been involved in wars, even Native Americans. It would be just as condescending to suggest that Native Americans in general are "noble savages," as it would be to call them "war mongering savages."

 

 

Anyways, like I said, almost all cultures fight wars, Westerners just do it to win more than for the glory of battle.

[Dawood]

remember what Obi-wan said?

 

What exactly did the pope say anyway? Not that I'm trying to defend him or anything.

 

 

I don't know exactly what the pope said. I have an idea, but not enough time to care right now, and I never speak flippantly and dissmissavely (especially not in my last post in the nature of the creator thread)

 

anyway, what did Obi wan say?

[ILOTSMYBRAIN]

For you to understand where this hatred/fear comed from you'll first have to understand how gullable and scared the majorityof the population is.

 

Everytime something happens around here now, there is an immediate "what if it's terrorist's?" thought attached to it. Blackout? Terrorists!, Funky smell? Terrorists! Explosion! TERRORISTS! And we aren't even a country that has a terrorism problem. We've been "attacked" (if you can even use this word, when most of the events have links to our own federal agencies) a very small amount of times, compared to other nations in the world. I think everyone needs to stop watching TV, go outside and actually get to know some people, before letting a sterotype do it for you.

[tabloid-]

I don't know exactly what the pope said. I have an idea, but not enough time to care right now, and I never speak flippantly and dissmissavely (especially not in my last post in the nature of the creator thread)

 

anyway, what did Obi wan say?

 

'the 79-year-old pontiff quoted Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus when he said, "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."'

source CNN.com

[russell jones]

I wonder what the context was?

[Dawood]

For you to understand where this hatred/fear comed from you'll first have to understand how gullable and scared the majorityof the population is.

 

Everytime something happens around here now, there is an immediate "what if it's terrorist's?" thought attached to it. Blackout? Terrorists!, Funky smell? Terrorists! Explosion! TERRORISTS! And we aren't even a country that has a terrorism problem. We've been "attacked" (if you can even use this word, when most of the events have links to our own federal agencies) a very small amount of times, compared to other nations in the world. I think everyone needs to stop watching TV, go outside and actually get to know some people, before letting a sterotype do it for you.

 

 

well said, man, well said.