why did the wtc's collapse? conclusive proof

[lord_casek]

Wouldn't be that hard. Not sure who is responsible for the nanothermate detected in the dust, but it is there.

[ILOTSMYBRAIN]

Those columns clearly have melted because of jet fuel. Idiot!

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From the ORLY thread.

[lord_casek]

haven't seen that one before. hurp de durp.

[StupidDope]

i read that tl;dr from page 77 and didnt see any umbrella wielding cubans in the zaprudar film... anyone else look too?

[StupidDope]

oop nvrmind. spoke too sooon..

[TheoHuxtable..]

9/11 was an inside joke

[lord_casek]

9/11 was an inside joke

 

 

Surprised at you man, that's pretty disrespectful to the people who died and who lost loved ones that day.

[TheoHuxtable..]

Are you serious... it was obviously making fun of conspiracy theorists and nothing more. You're making it to be more than what it is. I have all the respect in the world for the victims & families from that day.

[lord_casek]

Are you serious... it was obviously making fun of conspiracy theorists and nothing more. You're making it to be more than what it is. I have all the respect in the world for the victims & families from that day.

 

 

Seems a little tasteless.

[TheoHuxtable..]

[lord_casek]

you should stop the bs.

[ILOTSMYBRAIN]

Child's play, that's all.

 

Some day the kids will grow up.

 

And by mocking the believe held buy countless people who have lost family members on that day, really doesn't serve a purpose.

 

Keep throwing jabs though, maybe one day you'll land one.

[TheoHuxtable..]

[lord_casek]

So disrespectful. Dude, you know all that shit you bitch about in Channel Zero? Don't bring it here.

[Important]

its honestly so easy to see when you put the pieces together

[lord_casek]

its honestly so easy to see when you put the pieces together

 

 

Unfortunately there are a ton of questions that need to be answered that probably won't be

any time soon. Think about the Kennedy assassination. We're still waiting on records to be unsealed after 5 decades.

[TheoHuxtable..]

So disrespectful. Dude, you know all that shit you bitch about in Channel Zero? Don't bring it here.

 

Are you fucking serious? Lighten up. Dude, enough. It's obvious you're trying REAL hard and stretching it to make me out to be someone disrespecting victims and blowing everything out of proportion... possibly you're still mad over some argument/debate I forgot about. It's a video someone made, and no one in the comments section seems to be "offended".

 

And no I don't know what it is I "bitch" about, please tell me, I don't talk about 9/11 on Channel Zero.

 

Somebody else posted a Lord of the Rings parody of 9/11 from the ORLY thread, and you said nothing. I post something similar and you're bitching & crying. It's obvious it has to do with you being butthurt towards me over one of our "debates"... you're trying way too hard with this "I'm so offended and you're so offensive" bullshit. It's fake and I see through it.

[lord_casek]

Are you fucking serious? Lighten up. Dude, enough. It's obvious you're trying REAL hard and stretching it to make me out to be someone disrespecting victims and blowing everything out of proportion... possibly you're still mad over some argument/debate I forgot about. It's a video someone made, and no one in the comments section seems to be "offended".

 

And no I don't know what it is I "bitch" about, please tell me, I don't talk about 9/11 on Channel Zero.

 

Somebody else posted a Lord of the Rings parody of 9/11 from the ORLY thread, and you said nothing. I post something similar and you're bitching & crying. It's obvious it has to do with you being butthurt towards me over one of our "debates"... you're trying way too hard with this "I'm so offended and you're so offensive" bullshit. It's fake and I see through it.

 

 

I don't have to stretch, man. You're doing a fine job by yourself.

 

What I meant about Channel Zero wasn't aimed at you specifically. All of us feel

there are some things you don't joke about and some people on C0 do it for whatever

reason. Laughs, trolls, etc. We all complain about them.

 

I saw that LoTR post in the thread. It's C0. Some of those idiots joke about child rape, etc. That's not funny, either. I rarely waste my time with those people.

 

I guess I expected more from you. Especially after all the serious (and heated) debates we've had about 9/11.

 

It's not a personal attack, man. I'm not trying to start a b/s back and forth. I just don't think joking about that day is funny at all. It's just not funny to troll a thread like this.

[TheoHuxtable..]

The way I see it, it was a tragic day. A day I wish never happened. I didn't know anyone personally that died on that day, but I do know people that knew people that died on that day. But that said, I think it's okay to be unserious once in a while and make light of a bad situation. Instead of being morbid about it all the time. It's healthy. For example, we make fun of Bush for being a simpleton, when in fact his simple mindset is what led to the deaths of thousands, ruined our economy and increased anti-American sentiment globally. Those are serious issues, yet we make fun of him. You and I probably differ on Bush's motives -- I actually believe he's just a simpleton that was coerced in to his actions by Cheney and neo-conservative thinktanks... it seems you think of him as being a lot brighter with some ingenious conspiracy hatched from a hivemind overseer of a shadow government or something. I could be wrong though, maybe you also view him as a simpleton puppet.

 

Back on topic...I hadn't been in this thread in months... I figure all arguments have mostly been exhausted. So I posted something different. I made my case already. You made yours. You "Truthers" haven't brought up anything new. And those that side with the official story haven't brought anything new. But I compare that to not having any new evidence that OJ did it. All the evidence has been laid out.

[lord_casek]

The way I see it, it was a tragic day. A day I wish never happened. I didn't know anyone personally that died on that day, but I do know people that knew people that died on that day. But that said, I think it's okay to be unserious once in a while and make light of a bad situation. Instead of being morbid about it all the time. It's healthy. For example, we make fun of Bush for being a simpleton, when in fact his simple mindset is what led to the deaths of thousands, ruined our economy and increased anti-American sentiment globally. Those are serious issues, yet we make fun of him. You and I probably differ on Bush's motives -- I actually believe he's just a simpleton that was coerced in to his actions by Cheney and neo-conservative thinktanks... it seems you think of him as being a lot brighter with some ingenious conspiracy hatched from a hivemind overseer of a shadow government or something. I could be wrong though, maybe you also view him as a simpleton puppet.

 

Back on topic...I hadn't been in this thread in months... I figure all arguments have mostly been exhausted. So I posted something different. I made my case already. You made yours. You "Truthers" haven't brought up anything new. And those that side with the official story haven't brought anything new. But I compare that to not having any new evidence that OJ did it. All the evidence has been laid out.

 

 

Yeah, I've got what you mean. I know you don't mean any harm by it, but man some of it is like spitting in the faces of those that passed that day. I know you don't mean it that way.

 

Same as that Southpark episode about truthers. I find the show funny for its edginess, but that seemed tasteless to me. I also find some truthers actions to be tasteless.

 

I have posted new info in here. Some of it very important. It gets glossed over and lost

in the shuffle, though. Always news happening.

 

In all seriousness, I used to talk a lot of shit just to bug you and others who like to "tinfoil hat" comment. It was funny to see you guys get all heated and start calling me crazy. Some of that stuff I do believe and know to be true. I let on to it every once in a while.

Since then I've done some serious soul searching and decided a lot of what I say and do

should be from me and not just something to get people heated.

 

I've really learned a lot from people here and would rather build a relationship where I can keep learning instead of being disregarded as the local conspiracy nut.

[Important]

Unfortunately there are a ton of questions that need to be answered that probably won't be

any time soon. Think about the Kennedy assassination. We're still waiting on records to be unsealed after 5 decades.

 

i think the truth about this will come out soon enough. we've got the ability to spread information like we never had before. once people really start talking about this its only going to spread faster and faster. you just have to look at the iraq war to realize it was about gaining control of the world's diminishing oil reserves. they needed a reason to invade, so they planned 911. i cant believe so many people just went along without question when they first when into iraq, there was never any connection made. it just seems like people didnt care about who they chose to retaliate agianst. you really need to educate yourself in this world people arent just going to tell you everything you need to know.

[lord_casek]

Perhaps what Ventura is missing is that there is probably more incontrovertible evidence and more witnesses who have already established what happened on Sept. 11, 2001 than most major historical events. To dispute the conventional historical account is intellectually dishonest and nonsensical.

 

I know this because I was working as a journalist for Gannett News at Ground Zero that day, and I remember very clearly what I saw and heard.

 

Although I arrived at Ground Zero shortly after the Twin Towers fell, I was in the danger zone created by Building 7 from the moment it collapsed in the afternoon, an event that is one of the key cornerstones of the 9/11 conspiracy theory.

 

Governor Ventura and many 9/11 “Truthers” allege that government explosives caused the afternoon collapse of Building 7. This is false. I know this because I remember watching all 47 stories of Building 7 suddenly and silently crumble before my eyes.

Shortly before the building collapsed, several NYPD officers and Con-Edison workers told me that Larry Silverstein, the property developer of One World Financial Center was on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building – since its foundation was already unstable and expected to fall.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/04/21/jeffrey-scott-shapiro-jesse-venture-book-lies-truthers-ground-zero-sept-shame/

[TheoHuxtable..]

I like Jesse Ventura and agree with most of his views on Bush, the Iraq War, torture, the fact that there needs to be a balance between socialism & capitalism... but his conspiracies make me lose a little respect for him.

[lord_casek]

I like Jesse Ventura and agree with most of his views on Bush, the Iraq War, torture, the fact that there needs to be a balance between socialism & capitalism... but his conspiracies make me lose a little respect for him.

 

 

They misrepresent him and what he thinks of 9/11 a little. What more can we expect from Fox,, though?

[TheoHuxtable..]

Maybe so... from what I remember seeing in interviews, Jesse Ventura never really directly said who he thought was responsible. Just said he doesn't believe the official story. And then gave a bunch of "suspicious" reasons as to why. But he pretty much thinks it was a false-flag operation as he kept comparing it to the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

[lord_casek]

Maybe so... from what I remember seeing in interviews, Jesse Ventura never really directly said who he thought was responsible. Just said he doesn't believe the official story. And then gave a bunch of "suspicious" reasons as to why. But he pretty much thinks it was a false-flag operation as he kept comparing it to the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

 

 

You're correct. He never points fingers but he does bring up the Tonkin incident to keep people from saying "our govt would never do that".

[TheoHuxtable..]

Gulf of Tonkin resulted in how many American deaths? 0.

 

And was it on live television for the world to see/scrutinize? No.

 

To simply say "something happened" and exaggerate an incident with no lives or material being spared, is a lot different than sacrificing the lives of thousands, and destroying buildings in front of a global audience.

 

Which is why I don't believe they can really be compared.

 

Gulf of Tonkin was over-exaggerated to build support for an already escalating build-up of US military forces in Vietnam. There had already been a series of "real" incidents in South Vietnam in the years prior to 1964-65 of guerilla attacks on US forces & officials already there. Gulf of Tonkin was more-or-less the straw that broke the camel's back.

[lord_casek]

Gulf of Tonkin resulted in how many deaths? 0.

 

And was it on live television for the world to see/scrutinize? No.

 

Which is why I don't believe they can really be compared.

 

Gulf of Tonkin was over-exaggerated to build support for an already escalating build-up of US military forces in Vietnam. There had already been a series of "real" incidents in South Vietnam in the years prior to 1964-65 of guerilla attacks on US forces & officials already there.

 

 

There are other examples he can point to, as well. Kermit Roosevelt's actions in Iran, for example.

 

It's not a big secret that governments sometimes stage things for political/military action to take place. Look at what Bush Jr. (he doesn't really deserve to be called President of anything) did with the Iraq war. Wasn't staged, but he sure lied us into that debacle.

[Zig]

but his conspiracies make me lose a little respect for him.

 

why? from what i've seen Jesse Ventura doesn't do anything but bring up good questions on topics of suspicion. if anything that should make you respect him further, because he isn't afraid to ask tough questions. he does it very well too, and has the credibility in the mainstream view to be able to. you lose respect for a man who asks questions?