RumPuncher Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 nothing like shaking your 8 year old daughter's hand before sending her to school. I think HarperBot would explode if he had to show real positive emotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishbel Bullen Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 the chinese are coming! the chinese are coming! wait they already own vancouver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abracadabra Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 Originally posted by isor357@Feb 18 2006, 03:49 PM First china will try to expand into Australia.... Quoted post the mayor of melbourne is chinese. dude's awesome. i voted for him. he has the best laugh ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASER1NE Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 I was in the food court today at ******** mall eating some black bean chicken stirfry and i noticed this high scratchy sound all up in my eardrum, So i look over and theres these annoying asian ppl sitting right beside each other talking so loud it was ridiculous. So i looked over and shot em a dissaproving look , (at first i dont even realiize) then as i looked around i couldnt see ANY ppl that werent asian except a mom and her daughter at the trash bin and the 3 persian lookin ppl that worked at the falafel joint ... anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASER1NE Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 Originally posted by Scarekroe@Feb 18 2006, 03:00 PM does Vancouver got more Asians than San Francisco? Or Honolulu? Quoted post Hell Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Moms New Boyfriend Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 ^^^ real talk next time you are on vancouver transit take a look around and see what the ratio of whites to asians is. 98% I'm the only whitey on there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.T Boy Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 Originally posted by MESTHREE@Feb 18 2006, 03:55 PM I agree...that some things are in poor taste....but thats according to me. I cant really prescribe what 'poor taste' is in general. I agree that there are prenty of things much worse than communism to worry about. I dont think communism is even the real issue here, I mean.... we have a communist party in canada so it isnt as if this chinese channel is going to usher in some new thretenting force or anything....the CPC is a legit political party already anyhow.... The real issue is who gets to decide what groups get access to air time and which dont and what dictates who gets what? I guess it works as it always has...whoever can afford it can buy media time. That, to me, is the real issue. Quoted post yeah, that was a bad arguement, well statement. who determines good taste? the individual. yeah, the airtime issue is an important one. i think canadians maybe should be more in uproar of american television flooding the airwaves rather than a chinese channel. which already existed prior to this. what happened to canadian content? sure its not the greatest tv, but has anyone watched upn latley? its garbage. let anyone broadcast, just make sure at least 50% of what we see is canadian. oh and some french programming too. as for my moms new boyfriend: all the white people are in west van, and the nice areas. ever take my bus homeboy? no chinese people on that one. sure theres lots of chinese in vancouver, but its not like theyre all rich buisness men, most are grimey labour guys from hk or the mainland. they dont own it all. ok, maybe the flowershops on south cambie. wow. that harper pic is gold. he looks like a pederast. a fucking pederast dude. roboharper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HESHIANDET Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 whos the president of canada? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spuds Mckenzie Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 Its really amazing to me the arrogance of capitalists. Americans have always been fed the idea that communism is an evil institution. As if we are any better. Why are communist politics automaticly filed as propaganda? Capitalism shits out more propaganda then anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 I have no problem with communists. I do have a problem with totalitarian communism however, which is essentially what china is living under, with a dash of free market thrown in the mix in the last several years. They have politically motivated censorship in full effect, right down to taking political prisoners. Just ask the Falun Gong. China is Stalinist/Maoist, which actively employs oppression of political opposition. Being the lover of freedom that I am I don't particularly like this. There is growing unrest among the Chinese themselves with their political leaders who do not represent them and always hide the truth from them. I do however find myself sympathizing quite often with communists in this capitalist nation. I seem to always side with the underdog, but I am an anarchist deep down inside. Our own history with communism is quite interesting. One of my personal favorite american heros, Gen. Smedley Butler (who is by the way, the most decorated soldier in US history), was a very active socialist in his later years. I was just reading the other day about The Business Plot, where Gen. Butler was approached by a representative of many heads of business who were plotting a coup detat and wanted to overthrow the government and establish a fascistic corporatist state in order to secure their own power in the face of the great depression, which was seen largely as a failing of capitalism. Which it was a failing of government regulation of the private sector that caused the Great Depression. Gen. Butler exposed the plot, and the business owned media played it down, and it was largely forgotten in american history. Eventually the Great Depression was resolved by the very socialist policies of President Roosevelt. So you see communism was not always the big bad boogeyman in America that it is seen as today. That didn't begin until after the second world war, when Gehlen Org was pouring poison in our ears about alledged communist plots, intentionally turning the worlds two superpowers against each other so that the Nazis may rise again in a 3rd Reich. This zeitgeist of a phantom threat beseiged us with the spectre of nuclear holocost for the 50 long years of the cold war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weapon X Posted February 19, 2006 Author Share Posted February 19, 2006 Originally posted by MESTHREE+Feb 18 2006, 09:27 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MESTHREE - Feb 18 2006, 09:27 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Weapon X@Feb 17 2006, 12:57 PM We all know that the Chinese love propaganda. And we all know that Canada has a hard on for the Chinese. The CCP (some shit like Communist Chinese Party) is ready to broadcast a number of channels in Canada, through Rogers, I believe. I can't find any news story, but here is an editorial: Feb. 13. Tony Wong has brought up an important issue to which all Canadians should pay attention. Why should the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) be allowed to use nine channels to broadcast its propaganda and censored version of reality in Canada? If the CCP start broadcasts in Canada, the CRTC will need to hire Chinese language experts to monitor the content of the programming. We cannot trust the CCP to only show entertainment with no political content. The monitors will also need to be sensitive to cultural nuances that can have significance that is not obvious to a Western viewer. For example, few people outside of China would know how the "Same Song" is used to humiliate prisoners after their spirits have been broken by beatings and brainwashing tactics. Although David Purdy (of Rogers Cable) is quoted as saying: "I have never heard a truly compelling argument for blocking channels or censorship," Rogers cable has not added NTDTV, a Chinese Mandarin station that is known for its high quality programming and truthful news reporting, to its roster of stations. You have to ask why would Rogers support the importation of nine CCP stations but not NTDTV, a Chinese language broadcaster based right here in Canada and approved by the CRTC? I hope the CRTC will seriously consider whether anyone really wants the CCP to be polluting our airwaves. Fucked up, man..fucked up. Quoted post I dont understand why this is fucked up. I do understand how communbbist china is fucked up and thye problems that exist in that context but there is a huge differenjce here in Canada: Choice. In China people dont have the chpice to choose non partisan programing...but here we can. No one has to watch the ccp channel if they don't want to where as in communist china they were piping propaganda right into peoples bedrooms through loudspeakers. Granted I think subliminal messages and subversive cultural messages that westerners may not be aware of might be hurtfull to some people in Canada but no moreso than the political agendas that already exist in mainstream news and advertising. Free speech is free speech and barring anything that goes against the charter of rights and freedoms we need to allow equal access to media for all groups. Quoted post [/b] yo, 12oz must be retarded 'cuz this broad is the only one to get it... I'd be a hypocrite if I said that that the freedom of speech isn't cool, but when there could easily be a second generation of kids who are brought up by the communist channels and parents who support it, I have every right to be worried. It's already projected by most people with common sense that China is gonna run shit in, say, a hundred years. Until then, they are the threat to my grandkids' way of life. Fine. But the last thing I need is a group of people who grow up thinking the Chinese way of Communism is the superior way of life because of some lame propaganda that is certain to come out of these potential nine channels. Is nothing sacred? Here is a hardcore threat to our way of life, and we're gonna welcome it with open arms? Fuck that. This isn't about choice. Propaganda is a very tricky thing. The whole world could have fallen love with Germany and it's Triumph of the Will, but we didn't because our leaders knew better. They knew better than to let us all watch it. Same goes for now - we can't just bow down and let our kids watch CCP programming, knowing full well (cuz you're a fool if you don't realize..) that 9 channels of CCP is here to not expand us, culturally, but to make us believe that China is the prevalant nation. We need to Stand up for Canada (*honk honk*). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weapon X Posted February 19, 2006 Author Share Posted February 19, 2006 excuse my extreme drunkenness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Moms New Boyfriend Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 Originally posted by Weapon X@Feb 19 2006, 12:44 AM excuse my extreme drunkenness. Quoted post not excused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weapon X Posted February 19, 2006 Author Share Posted February 19, 2006 Originally posted by villain@Feb 19 2006, 12:26 AM I have no problem with communists. I do have a problem with totalitarian communism however, which is essentially what china is living under, with a dash of free market thrown in the mix in the last several years. They have politically motivated censorship in full effect, right down to taking political prisoners. Just ask the Falun Gong. China is Stalinist/Maoist, which actively employs oppression of political opposition. Being the lover of freedom that I am I don't particularly like this. There is growing unrest among the Chinese themselves with their political leaders who do not represent them and always hide the truth from them. I do however find myself sympathizing quite often with communists in this capitalist nation. I seem to always side with the underdog, but I am an anarchist deep down inside. Our own history with communism is quite interesting. One of my personal favorite american heros, Gen. Smedley Butler (who is by the way, the most decorated soldier in US history), was a very active socialist in his later years. I was just reading the other day about The Business Plot, where Gen. Butler was approached by a representative of many heads of business who were plotting a coup detat and wanted to overthrow the government and establish a fascistic corporatist state in order to secure their own power in the face of the great depression, which was seen largely as a failing of capitalism. Which it was a failing of government regulation of the private sector that caused the Great Depression. Gen. Butler exposed the plot, and the business owned media played it down, and it was largely forgotten in american history. Eventually the Great Depression was resolved by the very socialist policies of President Roosevelt. So you see communism was not always the big bad boogeyman in America that it is seen as today. That didn't begin until after the second world war, when Gehlen Org was pouring poison in our ears about alledged communist plots, intentionally turning the worlds two superpowers against each other so that the Nazis may rise again in a 3rd Reich. This zeitgeist of a phantom threat beseiged us with the spectre of nuclear holocost for the 50 long years of the cold war. Quoted post yeah, so you see what I;'m saying! I am not down with any kind of people trying to be forceful with their messages. I don't give a fuck, I feel it was enough that I grew up with that forest show (you guys remember - with the blue jay and the otter and all that)...kids grow up worshipping Pokeman - this is different. There is an opportunity for people to come here and raise their kids almost strictly off CCP channel if this shit goes through. The dangers are obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESTHREE Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 Dude, nine communist chinese channels are not a threat to our way of life. People choose what to watch. I know youre worried abotu the kinda people that llive out in asiancourt in their little self contained ethnic enclave but the fact is that there are HUGE changes that happen from first generation immigrants to second generation...regardless of living in an enclave. I seriously doubt that communist is going to catch on with many second generation canadian chinese kids. Most of their parents came to canada to flee the reminants of the maoist era. Communist severely fucked up china, millions of people died and I would guess that the VAST majority of chinese people in china hate communism. We dont hear about many of the revolts that happen outside of the urban centers because of the censorship that controll media going in and comming OUT of china. While there might be 9 channels of communist propaganda there are about 700 channels filled with capitalist propaganda....MTV? youve just grown up in it so it doesnt come off as such. it is just as bad and just as "forcefull" if not more so. Just look at the way certain brands are "forced" on kids...in schools, vending machines etc. I mean you could even go so far to say that chinas aparent or projected success is due to a global capitalist system...industry leaves north america and moves to china to take advantage of cheap production costs etc...I dont think that nine channels are going to be strng enough to overthrow a global system. Look at Canada. We are nowhere near a swing to the left...we have just done the opposite. Harper is about as far from a communist as you can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weapon X Posted February 19, 2006 Author Share Posted February 19, 2006 Maybe you're right. I mean, of course you're right that people come here fleeing China in a lot of cases, and to them, I feel that this would be a bit of an insult. I'm not trying to be a McCarthy here. I know that capitalism is far superior to communism, that China has blood on their hands, etc, but, yeah, I'm sorta fearful of this shit. It just doesn't make sense to me. China says that they guarantee the channels won't play any political propaganda, but I can't trust that. Maybe it's Charlize Theron telling me about bear bile; maybe it's the Chinese eating endangered species' testicles; maybe it's the insane amounts of human rights violations I'm always hearing about; the fact that the next superpower is in the East; maybe it's the fact that I haven't come to terms with my own belief in right wing fascism, but I don't feel comfortable with this. SO, yeah, you make me question myself once again, but I can't deny it doesn't seem right; especially, like the editorial states, there is other channels to choose from. And it'd be nice for the Chinese government if they could get to our citizens far better than we could get to theirs in case of a war. But I'll give props to China for giving in to Capitalism. Look at Shanghai - they can't front. Excuse my extreme hungoverness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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