seeking Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 well now that you bring the gays into it, that makes perfect sense! :rolleyes: there has not been a single 'we hope the insurgents win' rally in america. there will never be one. for someone who is supposedly so leary of the government, you sure seem to be pretty prone to falling perfectly in line with their rhettoric. opposing the war is not supporting the enemy. also, i think you overestimate the will of americans and the the importance of protest groups. no one gives a shit. this election proved that definitively. the govt. does need to pay people to go undercover anymore, they just run a story or two across fox and 'poof', their agenda is fulfilled. again bro, you need to get with the times. this is not the cold war. the govt doesnt need to keep files on every dissenter. they dont need guys with cameras taking pictures at marches. that's as much a waste of their time as the march itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobo knife Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Kabar, you could be right...heres an old wives tale I heard once.. A military officer was at home with his family, gets a phone call that says he will be met by some officials at his home this afternoon and he is to be alone when they arrive...so his wife and kids leave for the day. The wife and kids return home to find the FBI handling what appears to be a crime scene....they tell the wife "your husband has committed suicide, there is no need to contact local authorities, here is how much money you and your children will receive but you are not to notify local authorities." And just like that they took his body away in a bodybag, no autopsy was ever done. No tellin what he knew or what he was doing but he's not alive anymore. I doubt the FBI is tracking anyone on this board, but you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnomeToys Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 How's this for politically unstable kabar? PRESIDENT BUSH IS A MASSIVE FUCKING ASSHOLE WHO SHOULD BE JAILED FOR WAR CRIMES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaBar2 Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Gnome Toys--- That's an excellent example of you exercising your First Amendment right without the FBI coming to your house, seizing your computer and completely thrashing your stuff looking for evidence of subversion, arresting you and taking you away kicking and screaming to a State Security Complex with no windows for eight weeks of naked interrogation with electricity, you losing your job, your Driver's License and your privelege of having a telephone in your home, and your wife and children being arrested to be used for leverage. If you don't talk, they threaten your wife. If she won't talk, they torture your sons with a cattle prod in front of the both of you. Welcome to Saddam's Iraq. If you were Iraqi, and you called Saddam Hussein what you called George Bush, they would have cut out your tongue. The Baath Party is every bit as horrible as the Nazis ever were, they just aren't German, so their State Security apparatus isn't as brutally efficient, and their uniforms are ill-fitting. Never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackfatsoe Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Originally posted by KaBar2@Jan 9 2005, 11:33 AM In all previous wars in modern times (starting with WWII) there has been extensive effort to track and surveil people who were known to be "politically unreliable." Quoted post Very true. Except you forgot that in the opinion of the US Government, "politically unreliable" was a synonym for "Japanese American," and "tracking and surveillance" was exchanged for uprooting and imprisonment. Good ol' Amuurica is far from the prototype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaBar2 Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 The Japanese-Americans were not interned because of their politics, for the most part. They were interrned for their race. Which is why the whole affair was so inappropriate and unjust. The U.S. government also arrested and incarcerated hundreds of "Silver Shirts" and other American fascists because they were in communication with either Nazi Germany or British fascist adherants of Mosley. Nobody has ever complained one bit about the arrest and imprisonment of American fascists during WWII. Why would they? The fascists were the enemy, the nation was at war, and that made the fascists fair game. EXPLAIN TO ME why Arab-Americans who speak Arabic have not flocked to the recruiting stations to enlist as interpreters. Why has the American Muslim community not expressed their support for the American war effort, and denounced Saddam Hussein as a dictator, torturer and murderer? Why have the Sunni Muslims of the world not demanded their co-religionists in Iraq lay down their weapons and participate in a free and democratic election? I don't see any recruitment effort among the American Muslim community to show their love and loyalty for the United States. Why the fuck not? If their loyalty does not lay with the U.S., they are living in the wrong country, and need to go where their sympathies are. "My country, may she always be in the right; but my country, right or wrong." Nobody in the U.S. has any RIGHT to offer support to our enemies, or provide so much as one cent in material support to anyone the U.S. government designates as a terrorist. Anyone who does so risks being arrested and incarcerated in Federal prison. This is not any Draconian law--if you want Draconian, you'll have to go read the Official Secrets Act in UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BROWNer Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 here's your draconian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,510...-110878,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3GR3T Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 the Iraqi people have done nothing however. We destroyed their country, did not provide an adequate plan for infrastructure, ie crazy looting and destruction after the fall of baghdad....years of sanctions after we killed 200,000 plus of their soldiers a short time after they lost millions in the iran iraq war we helped instigate, recall those chem we WE sold saddam? oh yeah, the failed overthrow after the 90 war, where 20,000 shite died cause the us was to afraid to help them cause they didnt want the shite to have power. Now on the otherside, w.bush and co is the faciasts, the enemys who have violated the constitution, international law, common sense and it is young us men and women paying the price with their lifes. its deppressing and a war crime on both sides. however, the iraqi resistance has nothing to lose. they went through an 8 year war allready with in the last twenty years, in addition to another war after that and suffered under sanctions. what do they have to lose, people with nothing to lose fight the hardest. it is a truly a holocost if you ask me. all the iraqi children dieing, the families being destroyed, and the innocent american soldiers who have do the killing when they shouldnt. all in all, this shit is mad fucked yo. literally hell on earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaBar2 Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 It may be "hell on earth" for the three provinces of Iraq primarially populated by Sunni extremists who provide assistance and refuge to terrorists, but for the rest of Iraq it is time to rebuild, recover and restore legitimate, democratically elected Constitutional government. Which they will do, in the coming months. This "hell on earth" could end tomorrow, all that needs to happen is for the Sunni extremists and the former Baathist dead-enders to lay down their weapons and accept the authority of the Iraqi government. The United States will very likely continue to support and assist the Iraqi government. Once elections have been held, the absolute last shred of political/religious justification for the so-called insurgency will evaporate. On that day, murder becomes murder once again, and not heroic resistance. On that day, the Iraqi insurgency will have about the same amount of legitimacy as the Confederate resistance and the Ku Klux Klan had in 1866. As soon as the Iraqi government holds elections, I predict they begin drawing the noose around the Iraqi insurgency's neck, and that the nation will be pacified and under governmental authority throughout the entire nation. The Sunnis better wake up and smell the coffee. And the sooner, the better, so we can get our troops the fuck out of there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3GR3T Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Kabar, the troops should of never been there in the first place. The US installed and supported saddam for years. We have no business what so ever over there. These people have been through wars in the last hundred years that are far more brutal than the chicken hawk orchestrated conflicts we have....I mean, in the Iran Iraq war 8 MILLION died. thats higher than ww2s body count. Iraq had great cultural achievments as well, best doctors, schools, people in Saddams goverment were actually Christian. Yeah, saddam tortured and murdered alot of innocent people, but check the homicide rate in the US. That and the fact we kept him armed and in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaBar2 Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Yes, life sucks when one becomes an enemy of the United States government. I'd say unless one can breathe underwater, one might want to avoid doing things that appear to be terrorist activity. If all the U.S. wanted to do was eliminate enemies, they could easily accomplish it on the battlefield. In fact, they intentionally refrain from killing all enemy combatants, in order to obtain some intelligence assets. (If you get 100% combat efficiency, you get no intelligence, because the bad guys are all dead.) Detention at Guantanamo, and all it's attendant publicity, etc., etc., is intended to intimidate potential supporters of terrorism, and to encourage them to be quickly forthcoming with information, to avoid several years (or longer) of living in a dog cage and daily interrogation. Ever heard of the old "silver or lead" alternative? The United States can either be the best friend one ever had in one's life, or the worst enemy. It's their choice. The situation does not allow them any alternatives other than "live peaceably and accept the authority of the government" or "be a terrorist and get a.) killed, b.) incarcerated in some shithole Iraqi prison for years, or c.) get rendered to justice in Guantanamo Bay for an undetermined, but very long, period of time. Warfare is a sort of Darwinian process, in which the "fittest" that survive are those individuals with enough intelligence to come to the cessation of hostilities in the shortest period of time. Iraq is a sort of terrorist magnet. This is good. It creates a target-rich environment for the U.S. forces, and makes the enemy a lot easier to find. We have lost 1,300 troops. They have lost hundreds of thousands of terrorists, plus more civilians killed by unfortunate accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3GR3T Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Kabar!!!! GET THE FACTS DUDE, THE US PRETTY MUCH INSTALLED AND SUPPORTED SADDAM. WE GAVE HIM HIS ORIGINAL WMD'S...WE LOOKED THE OTHER WAY WHEN HE USED THEM IN VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAW. IRAQ HAD NO CONNECTION TO 9/11....IRAQIS DIED IN HUNDRED OF THOUSANDS FROM US SANCTIONS WHILE HALIBURTON PURCHASED OIL FROM SADDAM HE USED THE PROFITS FOR HIMSELF WHILE THE US LOOKED THE OTHER WAY. THE ONLY REAL ENEMY OF THE US IS GEORGE W. BUSH AND CO...MOTHERFUCKER SAID SO HIMSELF... "WE NEVER STOP THINKING OF WAYS TO HARM THE COUNTRY" -GEORGE W. BUSH 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaBar2 Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Hey, guy, what do you want from me? I already said I thought we invaded Iraq because it is sitting on top of an ocean of oil. What's the problem? Now I'm supposed to say "But it's wrong, and we should all be ashamed because we are winning." You want a real effective way to protest the war in Iraq? Stop driving your car. I'm serious, start riding a bicycle everywhere. If everybody does it, the reason for the evil invasion (need for oil) will disappear, and I'll be able to get to work a shitload quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3GR3T Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 well on that view point, why the fuck didnt we take over saudi...more oil and far less resistance since the population is way more uncivillibertied (excuse the grammar) than Iraq? besides that, if they really wanted to take over Iraq, why not alleviate sanctions and take it over after its allready rebuilt on their dollar with a nice assasination style coup organized from within? cause that woulda been smart. instead we are going broke and fighting a losing war....there is no way at all we are winning that war and i seriously doubt we will win it. think vietnam...besides that, its our tax dollars, and our dutiful soldiers paying the price for the chicken hawks bullshit short sightedness... and furthermore...i dont own a car, dont drive....i take the bus and ride a bike. cars are wack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnomeToys Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Originally posted by KaBar2@Jan 15 2005, 05:53 PM Now I'm supposed to say "But it's wrong, and we should all be ashamed because we are winning." Quoted post We're "winning"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CACashRefund Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 well on that view point, why the fuck didnt we take over saudi Saudi Arabia has too influence in our politics for us to be meddling with them. That and at least with Iraq we could give some bullshit excuse for going to war with them. Sure, there are some plausible reasons for going to war with saudi arabia like, the fact that 15 of the 19 hijackers of 9/11 were saudi nationals. But to attack the nation that mecca is in, would have, and will bring about a serious shitstorm for the US. besides that, if they really wanted to take over Iraq, why not alleviate sanctions and take it over after its allready rebuilt on their dollar with a nice assasination style coup organized from within? What makes you think Saddam would have used that money to rebuild his nation? More than likely he would have built more palaces and put more money into his military. instead we are going broke and fighting a losing war....there is no way at all we are winning that war and i seriously doubt we will win it. think vietnam What makes you think were fighting a losing war? Military/ Civilian Deaths? Bombings? The fact that our own citizens are protesting it? Welcome to war, sorry no one put out a welcome mat. The comparisions to Iraq and Vietnam are bullshit. I dont even know where to begin on refuting the points that people bring up. besides that, its our tax dollars, and our dutiful soldiers paying the price for the chicken hawks bullshit short sightedness... Again, in a war people die. Yeah, our tax dollars would be ALOT better spent on education, healthcare, and whatnot. But the fact of the matter is, if we pull out of Iraq were fucked in the long run. It will just show terrorists around the world that we're pussies who give in to the wishes of a minority of people who do not realize that sometimes the ends justify the means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3GR3T Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 hahahah....whatever. check afghanistan. but check this the odds are 14 million to us. thats all bad. even james baker said bounce that shit now. motherfucker needsa get arrested for that shit. thats mad corrupt shit. CHAKA got eleven years for graffiti. talk about vandalism...that fool just destabalized a region. anyway, have a happy w second term inagaruation day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CACashRefund Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Uh, just so you dont get the wrong idea Regret, i dont really care about bush. I didnt vote for bush, i didnt vote for kerry, Fuck em both. Im just saying that since we're going to be in Iraq and Afghanistan for the next 50 or so years, theres no point in whining about why were in there. Were there, were gonna be there, and we cant do anything about it. Just next time we gotta be more careful when our government pulls some shit like that again. And just so you know, im signing up for the Marines and if everthing goes as planned ill be spending this summer in Camp Pendelton. And more than likely, be spendin the 2007-? year/s in some foreign country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3GR3T Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 i will beat your fucking ass if you sign up for the marines. in fact ill have my Haitian potnah from Ville Verde Projects beat your ass for signing up for the marines. Hes a weapons specialist corporal that did kosovo action. DO NOT SIGN UP FOR THE MARINES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CACashRefund Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Hahahahah you will beat my fucking ass? Man, i love the internet. Im sure your friend from haiti would love to beat my ass, considering some of my friends probably shot at his boys when they were "peacekeeping" there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 um, we're winning?!?! that just goes to show..you can't argue with people who are DELUSIONAL. (and i can see i'm not alone in my assessment.) i'm not going to bother to respond to that shit. evolution v warfare? no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Saudi Arabia is already in the back pocket of the US and has been for many, many years. Ever since Roosevelt made a pact to protect the royals in exchange for oil. But as the situation is exacerbated in the middle east on a whole and fundamentalism rises, we are losing influence even in our age old ally saudi arabia. It wouldn't surprise me to see a coup in that country if shit continues down this same path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_El Mamerro Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Originally posted by KaBar2@Jan 15 2005, 04:26 PM Once elections have been held, the absolute last shred of political/religious justification for the so-called insurgency will evaporate. On that day, murder becomes murder once again, and not heroic resistance. On that day, the Iraqi insurgency will have about the same amount of legitimacy as the Confederate resistance and the Ku Klux Klan had in 1866. As soon as the Iraqi government holds elections, I predict they begin drawing the noose around the Iraqi insurgency's neck, and that the nation will be pacified and under governmental authority throughout the entire nation. Quoted post And we all know how accurate your previous predictions on the war were... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3GR3T Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Originally posted by CACashRefund@Jan 15 2005, 09:09 PM Hahahahah you will beat my fucking ass? Man, i love the internet. Im sure your friend from haiti would love to beat my ass, considering some of my friends probably shot at his boys when they were "peacekeeping" there. Quoted post sarcasm man, sarcasm. why are jocking your boys shooting at marines when your joining the marines? i would not trust what your recruiter told you about living all over the world, they are gonna send your ass straight to iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 If you join the marines I would be surprised if you DIDN'T go to Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CACashRefund Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Regret, dont think im under any delusions as to where im going and i what im going to do. And the part about marines shooting at marines, i should have explained better. My boys are marines, i was pointing out that since your boy was from haiti, he be pissed off since, from what my friends told me they shot at civilians and shit. So i would assume your friend being from haiti would be pissed off at marines shooting at his countrymen. This is my final say on the matter. If youd like to respond, then by all means go right on ahead, im not going to fill this thread with pointless arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnomeToys Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Originally posted by CACashRefund@Jan 16 2005, 11:20 AM This is my final say on the matter. If youd like to respond, then by all means go right on ahead, im not going to fill this thread with pointless arguments. Quoted post Oh go right ahead, it's far, far too late to avoid doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3GR3T Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Originally posted by CACashRefund@Jan 16 2005, 08:20 AM Regret, dont think im under any delusions as to where im going and i what im going to do. And the part about marines shooting at marines, i should have explained better. My boys are marines, i was pointing out that since your boy was from haiti, he be pissed off since, from what my friends told me they shot at civilians and shit. So i would assume your friend being from haiti would be pissed off at marines shooting at his countrymen. This is my final say on the matter. If youd like to respond, then by all means go right on ahead, im not going to fill this thread with pointless arguments. Quoted post please understand, my response was out of concern for you. Please do not join the marines. I dont see why you want to put your self in a situation where you will probably have to kill innocent people, be in a underquipped warfare situation, and i know this first hand from a member of the army that returned from iraq in 03, straight up they dont have enough of anything there right now, and there is millions of iraqis who want to kill americans at this point. please dont go kill people for george w. bush. and my homie is Haitian, but also a US citizen and is Corporal who was trained as a weapons specialist in the marines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Well if you want to avoid this shithole that bush created while serving in the military I would say your best bet is Air Force or Navy. But still they are pulling some people out of those branches and moving them to army and marines. And I'm hearing about caps they are putting on enlistment numbers. So even then you are not garunteed. And some of their skillsets are being deployed too... Medics as far as I know. It's getting harder and harder to get into those branches I guess. If you are smart, try it. But save me a slot in case I wind up there. ;) I'm still keeping the faith that Bush will not stay in office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaBar2 Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 Mammero--You certainly have a point about my previous predictions. I haven't actually gone down the list, but I bet I'm batting about .300. "But this one is different," LOL. Once there is a legitimate elected government in Iraq, I think it's probably going to be civil war. The Sunnis will lose. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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