the last slave Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 Fighting violence with violence? now thats just a little silly.Armed protestors against trained professional shooters??? the protestors dont stand a chance it'll be another blood bath. Well i feel everybody has the right to protest and belive in what they want to but the way i see it is that that kid got shot because of his actions. tho killing him was wrong,if any you were put in the same situtaion as that cop how would you react?Some you probally dont even see it that way cause you have such one track minds.Since its a "Pig" blah blah blah.Cops in Italy to deal with a lot of shit.Frequent car bombings,terrorist groups,mobs, etc.i mean sometimes you have to look at it both ways. ------------------ fuckitwhocares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kid toucher Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 suggested reading BEHOLD A PALE HORSE william cooper i think his name was. this book will change your life. ------------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mental invalid Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 "jUST CURIOUS...HOW THE HELL WAS HE KILLED AND THERE WAS THAT MUCH BLOOD FROM A RUBBER BULLET?" ...i had read that it was a rubber bullet, but after doing some research i finally found the info i was looking for, from the USA Today: "...The protester's death occurred about half a mile due east of there, in an area near the railway station where repeated clashes occurred. Eyewitnesses gave conflicting accounts that had him being beaten, run over or shot. Police in Italy are not equipped with rubber-coated or plastic bullets for crowd control, but they do use live ammunition, said police spokesman Mario Viola...." "...sounds like bullshit to me...." i must say hasbeen it does to me now also...sorry about the missed info, im canning it from my previous post, i dont want to create false info...... "And I care not about that 20 yr old cop who shot him...why do you sympathize with the damn pigs...to helll with them.To justify something by saying it is a job still does not make it right..." ...i didnt justify it, all i was doing was letting people know about the other person in the tragic tale...hes not just a gun without a soul....i read today there may actually be manslaughter charges brought against him... "Violence has it's place amongst these things..the leaders who were meeting have no second thoughts about authorizing the use of force against these people...so fuck them. These are war pigs... violent means to end a violent oppression...." ...huh?...did you see the fucking pictures! what you think all the overturned cars on fire were done by the police...if you bring violence it gets met with violence...granted no one shoulda have died, but again, if you didnt know that violence would be met with violence, then they havent been watching the other protests and G8 summits, and they really shouldnt have been out in the front lines, because they were ill prepared of the possible ramifications involved...the 'white overalls' are militant anarchists, and believe me, they know what they are doing and they know the possible outcome...what if this 20 year old kid had been hit in the head with extinguisher or worse it exploded in the jeep? would you tell his girlfriend or mother he was nothing but a war pig?...what about the hundreds of peaceful protesters that were injured in the chaos, or the dozen of reporters, what are they? a case of right place wrong time? like i said before ill take my sides with the protester, but it does not mean that im blinded from seeing the whole picture......r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mental invalid Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 "goddamn i digressed. i hope i made sense" -d.L yeah dust you did...mE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pulk Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 yeah - police arrested some people because they found two glass bottles and a wig, naturally intended to be used as firebombs, and the wig would've been used for.. ummm.. well they're dangerous aren't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cracked ass Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 This incident summarizes the new NWO shape of things - throwing a fire extinguisher at armed cops while the G8 leaders wine and dine and plot in luxurious accomodations out of earshot. Basically, we can't win, but shouldn't give up either. The protests amount to a big "fuck you" to those in power, who gloss over it and keep putting their agenda into action. If the masses organize any kind of armed resistance, those in power will suspend whatever civil liberties are available in their country to keep them down, and use other techniques to destroy what they perceive as terrorist cells. (Example: Oregon is pursuing the ELF, the SUV-trashing eco-terrorists, under the RICO racketeering laws originally designed to fuck with the Mafia, simply by making a case that they are an organized criminal conspiracy.) As I said, we can't really win against that kind of power...but it's still important to say "fuck you" in a language they can understand, which is mostly destroying property and rioting at the gates. To do otherwise is to surrender quietly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Hasbeen Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 A bit more from the front lines.. http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/unp2.htm www.tenc.net 7-22-1 GENOA - Tonight the carabineraie raided the IMC [indy Media Center] as many people already have probably seen on the newswire already. As we saw it the carabineraie started by pulling up about 2-300m up the road in initially around four to five vans. They got out and started to jog down the street in riot gear and batons. People saw them and started to enter both buildings - the main GSF (Genoa Social Forum) building (where the Indy media Center was also located) and the school opposite which was part of the GSF facilities. The school had been a safe space for people to sleep and chill for a few days. In the school there were a diverse bunch of people. As the convergence center was quite close, many people came to get information on the counter conference and the solidarity marches and also to use computers. Many people who slept in the school were participants from the marches, a group of pacifists from Zaragoza had come to the school to sleep just fifteen minutes before the arrived, (as it was the only really "safe" space to sleep) and ended up with eight hospitalised and more detained by the carabineraie. The carabineraie, having reached the school and the GSF building started to arbitrarily beat people with the batons as people scrabbled to get inside either building. The door were closed on the GSF building but they entered from, not the main door, but one which was not secured at the side - not secured as this was just not expected. I can only tell from what happened now from the IMC as I was there working. The IMC tried to calm people down as the carabineraie came in and demanded that all of us stand spread -eagle against the wall for about 30 minutes whilst the people wandered in and out of the rooms a bit listlessly, looking for anything incriminating - as if. They then moved everyone into one area and everyone had to sit down for another twenty minutes or so. What they found and took was some of the equipment like mini disks videos and disks and searched many peoples bags. They also took some salad knives from the kitchen and a couple of gas masks. Later after it was all over they said to the press that they saw quite a lot of black clothes inside the rooms, well excuse me. Apparently opposite the police took all available passports and wallets and diaries from peoples bags. The carabineraie tried to take one of the IMC people but another journalist with G8 accreditation stepped in and although he was pushed back the carabineraie left the other guy alone. They finally left when a women MP who was in the building came to our floor and had powers to make to carabineraie leave - due to the fact that we were an international group and also journo/press. The police left, but we discovered that the people on the other floors of the GSF building had had freedom to roam after only being held on the floor for a short time. Also the GSF Lawyers office was ransacked and the computers destroyed, hard drives taken and the phones smashed. So much for the law. The computers conatined all of the info relating to legal aid etc over the last few days. The carabineraie obviously had their purpose here, one mission being to search the IMC floor to find something to discredit the IMC media movement. After they left people immediately checked their gear and recorded what was taken, and then the keypads started burning. Then we discovered the (expletive) mass beatings next door where people were already sleeping and others had been eating and talking, many IMC people stayed outside to somberly record the devastation and support those in shock and disbelief at what had just occurred. Tears and shouts of "assinos" followed the police who for another half an hour or so were still blocking off exits. Many people outside had been chanting "let them free" whilst we were up against the wall and the school was being emptied with stretcher after stretcher of young men and women being carried out. The story from across the street in the school was that when police arrived they grabbed the first people they could outside and beat them heavily. One of the first to be beaten was a UK reporter who was smashed repeatedly by a group of them. One held him by his neck while the others beat him with clubs. Unconscious he was left in the street in a pool of blood (later when we were allowed out of the building the blood had been cleaned off the pavement). Their intention was clear then from the start. Inside the building when police entered many people inside raised their hands but the police just started smashing windows. One group then ran to the third floor and managed to escape out of an upper window and down scaffolding (the building is a bit of a building site under repair) - they were lucky. The others inside were beaten everywhere but from the long stream of stretchers came out of the building they were obviously trying to injure people as seriously as possible - at least five were brought out unconscious. Later after more arrests in the street the police and fleet of ambulances departed, leaving us access to the building. Inside the sight was sickening. There was thick dark blood all up the walls, over the floor and at the bottom of stairs. It looked like several people had been beaten while on the ground from the blood patters low down on the walls. The scene was horrible. Even the ambulance staff were obviously shocked. The night is long and will not end today. This is a sad day for democracy. As to the "weapons" they found in the school, the place was as we said earlier was under repair, a small section blocked off and littered with pipes and building materials, etc. Like us they, too, had knives (and forks!) for cooking and eating. The local media and other reports have said police where there searching for weapons or drugs. No, it is obvious why they were here. The testimonies of people in both buildings, the blood on the street and inside the school and the number seriously injured in this so called search tells the true story. No doubt many things will be said about this horrific evening here at the GSF building, but whatever happens, Indymedia will continue to report the truth. "]http://uk.indymedia.org] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dukeofyork Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 seriously, you guys need to learn how to work the system. as long as people buy the shit that these assholes sell, they'll keep extorting third world countries for cheaper labor and cheaper materials. you have to remember that they are running a business, and their business has been successful. they are looking for ways to cut costs to maximize their profits. it may seem fucked up but thats the way it goes. i dont know what else to say, being a capitalist and all... if you want something, you have to work for it. no one is going to give it to you. you wanted respect in graff right? you had to earn it. the same applies to real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Hasbeen Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 Thanks duke..I feel better about things now.Thanks for the business 101 lesson. ...don't get me started... I know it is a business and you are a key cog in the machine..."being a capitalist and all"...So what is it you are saying?..that people should not be against these types of things? That exploiting the environment and resources is a OK thing to do? That we have destroyed a large portion of the worlds cultures, societies and customs to blanket everyone to be "capitalists" and exploit what you can?.So what happens when the oil runs out?So what happens when the rain forest is gone? What happens when these "businesses" control everything from water to food, to shelter?What happens when these "businesses" are not intrested in your freedom and intrested in exploiting you?> So tell me about my respect in the game... Done paid them dues..and I did study business by the way. Educated Thug Life Online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ammo Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 running over dead people is just fucked up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dukeofyork Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 you can fight it all you want, but in the end what is it going to get you? you think that big business is going to throw their hands up and say, youre right, it was wrong of us to exploit those people, and to buy their land and materials for next to nothing? it isnt gonna happen. you can cry about it and protest all you want, but the best way is to work it to your advantage. if you want to dedicate your life to your beliefs i admire you for it, but dont look to me for help when you have no money because of it. and dont try to say im just another cold hearted bastard out there in the world, looking to make money off anothers misfortune. YOU DONT KNOW ME. i work for a living, and i bust my fucking ass. the only people that i feel should be getting sizeable amounts of my tax dollars are those who honestly need it. those who are down on their luck, or cannot work for a living because of a disability. another thing, dont try to say that im this way because my family has money. once again, you dont know me or how i grew up. im not going to elaborate on this because im not going to get caught for writing just because i wanted to make a point about capitalism to some dude i will probably never meet over a computer. just believe that life has been a bitch to me just like most people out there. and someone else pointed this out before i remember, if you are on this forum, life isnt exactly going poorly for you. i would add to that: unless you are on the computer at a public library. im not trying to make you feel better, i dont really care what you feel, because im pretty sure you dont give a damn about me. the main reason im a capitalist is because communism and socialism or any other similar practice just does not work. theres no way around it. if you think there is another country on earth that has it better than america, feel free to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Hasbeen Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 Sorry to hear about all of your troubles bro. I first off also work for a living..have a really good one too.And I do work things to my advantage..so little do you know.And no corporations are not going to just give up..you are right..why should they when they got people by the balls just trying to eat, pay rent and maybe go to a movie.It is all relative, and as long as their are people out there who are more worried about paying the rent today, and not their kids futures then they are fine.The corporations that rape the world daily are responsible for some shit we will feel the effects of in 10 years..but fuck it who cares....I mean cops can just shoot people and run em over, and governments should be able to exploit things as long as I can too..and as long as I am making my loot and no one is asking me for my tax dollars and shit.... your logic is flawed.. AND HELL YEAH I will resist..and I will fight..I will stand up against it any chance I can.,.and I feel others should too. And when I have no money I will look you up bro.because I will have been busy fighting for ideals and concepts that seems to be beyond your grasp.But in the end money is not going to buy me the feeling of knowing I followed what I felt to be true and better for the people who are in the struggle.Anyhow...if my posts on this topic are not clear or need any explaination..I am out of one.. Conspirator from the get go... RECOGNIZE...REFUSE AND RESIST. [This message has been edited by Retired Hasbeen (edited 07-25-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Hasbeen Posted July 26, 2001 Share Posted July 26, 2001 My point is this... If you are a protester and going against trained, armed, and paid enforcers of the law, should you yourself not be armend, or at least protecting yourself with a bullet proof vest etc..? It only makes sense that the governments will go to any extremes needed to enforce, control and dominate the masses.Now these protesters are not innocent victims.They are refusing to accept the isms and regulations the WAR PIGS,,,Yes I say WAR PIGS, are forcing on the masses.The protesters are not going to just take this collaboration of powers without a struggle.I commend their efforts, yet I realize that a large portion of their efforts will go to the wayside due to the fact of a few things: The media will not address the issues they are protesting against.This is a foremost issue since the sheep are blind while being lead off to the slaughter.Knowledge is power and the forces that control information know this the best. So make the protesters seem wild, unruly, unorganized and foolish and it will be taken in by the people like frosted flakes...umm,good. Also a group sitting with their legs crossed and holding arms will not change any leaders mind to accept a new environmentally friendly policy, nor will it change the course of the event.Now and armed insurrection will force anyone to recognize thier demands.There is no way to ignore that.How do you think wars are won?...holding hands and chanting?...No. They are fought for.... Sure we can all like to think that these meetings are for the good of the world's people, but I have a gut feeling this is not so..Something tells me this is moving us closer to a Multintional Cabal of elite Corporations,Governements, and those who run the show behind the scenes.And I feel this is not the best direction for us to be heading, as do the tens of thousands of people who showed up to protest.I am not advocating violence in any way, I am pointing out that the policy makers goon squad who happpen to be police are willing to do whatever needs to be done to extinguish any resistance.If a police officer were to have perished in the front lines, so be it,same as another soldier Carlo Guliani was lost in the battle.They understood the ramifications of stepping into those places..both of them did..and the one who was armed stronger happened to survive. You can not enter a battle without the weapons to take down your opponent. This is the tip of the iceberg...watch.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilush Posted July 26, 2001 Author Share Posted July 26, 2001 thank you guys so much for putting your brilliant minds to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the last slave Posted July 26, 2001 Share Posted July 26, 2001 Like my mom always says "you dont appreciate sunlight when it never rains" or something like that ------------------ fuckitwhocares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Remy Martin Posted July 26, 2001 Share Posted July 26, 2001 thats the most graphic pic i seen since the executions i saw flics of when iraq invaded kuwait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klypse Posted July 26, 2001 Share Posted July 26, 2001 thats fucked up yo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mental invalid Posted July 26, 2001 Share Posted July 26, 2001 "dont try to say im just another cold hearted bastard out there in the world, looking to make money off anothers misfortune"-duke of dork ..okay i wont since you already well established that point, but incase you had doubt when you look at your relfection in the mirror, you are.....rOe =====edit cause i wanted to give credit for the quote========== [This message has been edited by mental invalid (edited 07-26-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dukeofyork Posted July 26, 2001 Share Posted July 26, 2001 my logic is flawed? if you want to claim the high road here pal, dont point your finger at me and say im part of the problem when you are just as much a part of it as i am.. you even said so yourself. youre right, it is fucked up that cops can shoot people and get away with it...but its only if its provoked that they can. i dont trust the media, cause they can put any kind of spin on any story they want, repackage the shit and take something totally out of context and put it in front of you and label it as "truth". too many people swallow this shit up. people are lazy and dont want to think about what happened, and the media knows this. at the end of the day as long as nothing has directly happened to me or one of my close friends, i sleep just fine. it sucks that i have to go to work in the morning, but i get over it. so boo hoo, the world is a fucked up place. if you were at the top, youd be taking advantage of other people too. im not saying its right, but thats life. (d is still playing devils advocate...and havin fun at it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dukeofyork Posted July 26, 2001 Share Posted July 26, 2001 oh, now that was cute mental invalid... no, i have no problems in the morning when i look in the mirror (or at any other time for that matter.) youve already established some things as well. i appreciate your time and effort guys.. this is fun.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mental invalid Posted July 26, 2001 Share Posted July 26, 2001 ...actually i wasnt trying to be cute at all, i think its really fucking sad, and i dont know how someone who just simply gets washed away with whole fucking picture and washes their hand clean of this fucking mess, can then turn around and choose an anarchist activity as writing... "i dont trust the media, cause they can put any kind of spin on any story they want, repackage the shit and take something totally out of context and put it in front of you and label it as "truth"..." actually thats a trait inherent in everyone, not just the media...we all spin the truth as we see it...as a person you need to be on gaurd against this in not only other people but also yourself...as far being a consumer of media, really its everyones responsibilty to be critical consumers, and to read a variety of different source from the most conservative to the most liberal...if you want to get at any kind of truth then you need to drink from the different fountains of it.... "at the end of the day as long as nothing has directly happened to me or one of my close friends, i sleep just fine...." thats our point exactly you are only concerned with your immediate surroundings, and not what is happening in genoa or even globally...even though what is happening there is effecting you, but unless it is in your face you are too narrow-minded and immature to see the bigger picture...really you need to get out of your ego phase....look after friends and family for sure, but dont forget that on another level, a macrocosmic one, we are all on this planet together, and thus connected to each other.... "it sucks that i have to go to work in the morning, but i get over it...." ...you simple minded fuck this is not about being a lazy bastard that doesnt want to go to work...if you wanna play devils advocate then fine...(which you arent cause you actually do believe in the crap you are spweing, but if it lets you sleep better, then go for it)...but atleast post an intelligent response and try to make it challenging for the other side...your response shows your complete lack of understanding to the current global situations or what is being discussed....... "....if you think there is another country on earth that has it better than america, feel free to go there...." ...again this comment shows your complete misunderstanding of the basis of this post....its about globalization, not america, its about the the indutrialized nations of the world...not beef with just america! come one duke pay attention for christ sakes, this is what im talking about...you just say things without thinking about em...this is not an america sucks post...read some articles first and then post...cause its screamingly obvious you cant argue for or against what is going with the G8, because you have no fucking clue of even the most basic facts... "...so boo hoo, the world is a fucked up place. if you were at the top, youd be taking advantage of other people too. im not saying its right, but thats life...." ....no thats not life, and boo hoo, is a strong indicator of your maturity level...please grow up and educate yourself on matters before you come off sounding like some stupid fuck looking to get a rise outta someone...really its pathetic...and just cause you would rape the fucking masses at the top and take advantage of em doesnt mean everyone else will...again you are unable to get over your ego driven and self centeredness, and you seem to be incapable of stepping outside yourself...and if it makes you feel better to say -'hey everyone would do what i would, so i cant be wrong, thats life', the so be it, but im letting you know that this is a sure sign of someone who needs to grow up and go see the world...stop kidding yourself duke, cause you aint kidding no one else here...... r .......edit for one last thought.... if you want my opinion on a matter or for me to clarify myself, the post that in the topic, but dont go around to twinkies post or anyone elses, which has nothing to do with this subject matter and track me down for answers.....ill answer when my thoughts feel complete and dont go around spreading shit in what was actually a pretty good post...but did you say anything about those flicks, no you wanted to know about the possible exceptions to capitalism and starts shit....stick to the topic duke..... [This message has been edited by mental invalid (edited 07-26-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mental invalid Posted July 26, 2001 Share Posted July 26, 2001 BACK TO THE POINT... no hasbeen that is the fucking the point!.......r edit cause there is only one b in been [This message has been edited by mental invalid (edited 07-26-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpo Marx Posted July 26, 2001 Share Posted July 26, 2001 I'm not very good at these kinds of posts after seeing people like retired hasbeen and many other intellectuals but I figure I'll give it a shot. We can care all we want about the NWO and we can hate it, but things are only going to start happening when we stop half-assing what we say and start believing in it. I'll be honest with myself, I'm against the NWO but I'm not going to stop buying candy to stop eating fast food. It's something I'll work on but for christ sake we've allowed for the big businesses to be everywhere. I know I'm probably wrong about this but I think that graf is our way of grabbing our nuts and giving business the finger. I mean think about it, people have in a way organized a sub-culture against this establishment and exploitation. But a down side to this is that businesses are catching on, I'll give it to them, they know what the average american idiot wants, and if it's some 'graffiti' they'll give it to them. But another way to get back at them was when the BLF screwed Dodge "Neon" billboards that tried to make the cars look punk rock because on the sign they would have company people spray paint mohawks on cars and when they had 'HI' in big block letters they painted a 'P' so it said 'hip'. BLF stepped in and changed it to say "Hype" and painted a skull in the car. I think what we should start doing is start using business tactics against the big money bastards and start pushings things back at them. Do everything without them knowing, start gaining more people to stop buying products. We need something to be done. enough of my rants. [This message has been edited by Harpo Marx (edited 07-26-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mental invalid Posted July 26, 2001 Share Posted July 26, 2001 "...like dukeofyork and many other intellectuals....." LOL, thats the funniest shit i heard today, oh man, lemme wipe the tears, and get back to what you had to say...im a little apprehensive though with a start like that... to be continued....r ....okay edit cause i just read the rest of harpo's...harpo you have to dig deeper and look broader, i think youre on the right track, but its whats going outside this country as much as whats goin inside, and yes fucking up a billboard is great, but if you teach a kid to read then you help to begin to create independent thinkers, do you see my point...its more then just bombing, which is one of the reasons i do, and more then boycotting certain companies, which i do...its about enabling people to be stronger and become independent and self sufficent thinkers and DO-ERS or getting your hands dirty by going to a rally around your town....no the change mite not be immediate or it might not even happen but goddam we gotta try....yes youre right the change will be hard and many are set in comfort zones, as i am too, but we can not just say oh well its here to stay, and yes what you said about people acting on beliefs rather then just having beliefs is the core of the problem....r [This message has been edited by mental invalid (edited 07-26-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dukeofyork Posted July 26, 2001 Share Posted July 26, 2001 enough quoting me, how about telling me what your idea of a solution would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpo Marx Posted July 26, 2001 Share Posted July 26, 2001 Originally posted by mental invalid: but its whats going outside this country as much as whats goin inside [This message has been edited by mental invalid (edited 07-26-2001).] Shouldn't we start with ourthsevles in making us able to save ourselves? After all, if we can't save ourselve's then we aren't able to save anyone else. I don't mean this gredily I mean it that before we can help others we need to know what to do and how to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Hasbeen Posted July 27, 2001 Share Posted July 27, 2001 BACK TO THE POINT... Look long and hard at these photos..Try and grasp why these people would protest a gathering of the 8 RICHEST NATIONS IN THE WORLD..think of the motives for this meeting..think of how much you can trust people like dubya, and so forth.Think long and hard about the corporations running the planet...Think how cool it will be when small ma and pa businesses are gone, and all that remains are corporate whorehouses that will rape you for all they can.Think about getting shot by the police and then being back up over....THINK.... I wonder whose team you are on..duke??? http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news_p...=&n=20&o=&2=&3= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mental invalid Posted July 27, 2001 Share Posted July 27, 2001 harpo you are absolutely right dood...our country should not be having children starve, people living on streets, unless they so choose to be, we should not have overcrowded schools, or people without medical insurance, etc. etc., and yet here we are also faced with the whole global aspect of things too...its a real sticky mess...but i would agree with you that as a country we need to focus on ourselves, but not become isolationists...but i dont think thats the point of alot of people who are proclaiming the path of capitalism...on a mirco-cosmic look too, thats the same with every aspect of our life...we cant help others if we cant help ourselves first, we cant be true with others until we are true with ourselves, and we cant love others till we love ourselves...it all starts with the individual...and really some will say that thats the best impact you can have...because if you have that, you spread it as you wander through this place.... duke- i dont have the answers, im confused and scared and i look around and see certain aspects of this society and it makes me cringe...sometimes i get overwhelmed and i cant even move....so im sorry i wish i could tell you an answer but i cant, but i can tell you what isnt the answer and its not doing anything, being comfortable in your house or your neighborhood or your country and not realize what is going own outside your own world....not to just roll over and die....not to just wash your hands of it and say well thats just the way it is...but to be the change that you want to see in the world and be the catalyst for those you come in contact with....and to continue to look for answers no matter how lost it seems...if you are looking for anything more concrete im sorry but i am not educated enough on the global economies and international policies, as i should be, perhaps you can be though, and through that education you can help to contribute to the answers you seek and the ones that we as a whole need to find...im sorry if i came off like a know it all, i fucking hate those people, i am in need of self education myself and i am in need of breaking habits and expanding comfort zones, and getting out of myself, i just know what wont work, and i guess ill just start from there.....rOe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpo Marx Posted July 27, 2001 Share Posted July 27, 2001 bump invalid, that's exactly what I'm talking about. We need to be sure we can do this for others after we've done it for ourselves for it to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dukeofyork Posted July 27, 2001 Share Posted July 27, 2001 well, im pretty sure of what wont work too, and thats what i was pointing out as well. as fucked up as capitalism is, its been the best system going for the past 200 years, even though its benefitted a small majority. other forms of government so far have benefitted an even smaller percent of their population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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