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Las Vegas Shooting and the Gun Debate

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by misteraven, Oct 2, 2017.

  1. Hua Guofang

    Hua Guofang Dirty Dozen Crew

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    Just because you have lots of guns doesn't mean you're a gun lover, just might mean he intends on using s lot of guns.

    Again, you use toilet paper, right? Surely you've bought a bulk pack of 30 rolls before. Did having 30 rolls of poo tickets make you a poo tix lover?
     
  2. KILZ FILLZ

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    40 comic books vs two comic books. Who is the comic book lover?
     
  3. KILZ FILLZ

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    Or knives, guitars, bows, video games, vinyl, fishing poles, beer growlers.. .

    or waifu pillows ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
     
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  4. Hua Guofang

    Hua Guofang Dirty Dozen Crew

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    40 comic books might also mean that you haven't thrown out the comic books your flat mate left behind after moving out.

    Dude, I've owned about 10 cars and 3 motorbikes in my life but I am the furtherest thing from a motoring enthusiast. I only have one beer in my fridge right now but I am a beer lover. I have a top of the line hot tub in my backyeard but I haven't ever used it. I don't have any dogs at all but I am a dog lover. I have about 25 hammers in my garage (I shit you not) but I am not a hammer lover, I just inherited a bulk of 5 tool collections at once recently.

    Having something doesn't make you an enthusiast.

    You wipe your arse on average once per day every day of your life (I hope), does that mean you love wiping your arse? 1 Million people might buy the latest Tom Jones album, does that mean 1 million people like the album? No, it just means that 1 million people purchased it.

    Even doing something doesn't mean you enjoy it.

    You're making an assumption here that whilst plausible is by no means accurate.
     
  5. KILZ FILLZ

    KILZ FILLZ Moderator Crew

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    If you own ten cars at once would that not make you a car guy?

    Where did you hear this toilet paper analogy?I think this is the third time you thrown it out there.

    Edit: sarcastic Toilet paper/gun joke would translate well IRL but not in text. Deleted.
     
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  6. Brink

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    Having a lot of something doesn't make you passionate about said thing.

    Would you trust a mechanic who owns 1 car, or some rich douche with 5 sports cars when it comes to knowledge about motor vehicles.
     
  7. Hua Guofang

    Hua Guofang Dirty Dozen Crew

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    There's an old Australian movie called The Clinic where a dude says "If I didn't like it I wouldn't do it", other dude says, "Do you like wiping your arse?".

    I thought it was awesome and try to adapt it to any facet of life I can.

    But in response to your car question: if one car was an off roader, another car was a van, the next car was a ute/pickup, the next car was a people mover, the next car was......, etc. Then no, I'd say that you are not a car enthusiast but a person who has many differing uses for cars and needs to accommodate them.

    If the shooter was a gun lover you'd expect his family would have known about it, right? But they didn't (as far as I'm aware), he collected them in secret, which suggests to me that he did so not because he was an enthusiast but because he had a specific use for them......, like massacring a bunch of folk.
     
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  8. KILZ FILLZ

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    Oh cool. Never heard of that movie. I dig the analogy though. I throw them shits out there from time to time. A favorite is "sometimes you're the dog, some times you're the hydrant.... And sometimes you're the grass".... Toss that out to the employees sometimes when shit sucks but it's out of my/our control.


    There's a lot of shit in play. Firearms carry a stigma. And are valuable. If I collect silver I wouldn't tell many folk because when you have valuables in your home the less who known = the better. Guns... An AR can be up to a few grand, easily... I think from your experience and the pics from that conference you know this . You know how much a decent optic can cost. The ones I saw in the pics of the crime scene seemed like solid builds. A lot of people only talk about that shit with other 'gun guys'... Like me.. I have different circles of friends. Graffiti is a circle. Guns is a circle. Gym is a circle. Rock climbing is a circle. Those circles very very rarely overlap. Does my family know about any of them? Not really.. Other than mentioning when I'm in good physical shape. My dad likes guns so we talk guns. But other than that... Not really. My mother's side is super liberal Democrat. Thanksgiving dinner is a trip lol. If guns come up at a holiday and I throw out my support for 2a I open myself up to criticism and then youre left there assed out in a five against one situation. So a lot of firearms people just keep things hush hush.
     
  9. Hua Guofang

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    Yeah, I take your point, for sure. I just think if he was a shooter some one from a range he shoots at, some on from his shooting circle or something like that would have surfaced by now and made comment of how he was normal and safety conscious/weird and awkward who often complained about how casinos ar rigged...., etc.

    Given the circumstances I'd reckon that there's a lot to suggest that dude was a nutter and won't have followed a pattern any of us would expect or recognise.
     
  10. KILZ FILLZ

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    Was listening to an interview w a doctor who said these types are very hard to identify. The example he used was Elliot Rodgers, the virgin who went on the sorority girl/frat bro killing spree in Santa Barbara, CA. Rodgers was from a very well off family and seeing a very qualified therapist, who never stated he was a danger to himself or others. These types are often very smart. This asshole in vegas seems like he planned this shit out very well. Especially after reports today that he checked into multiple hotels in vegas before the act, supposedly scouting his sniper nest. Fucking evil.

    The time between reloads still throws me off.. So many loaded mags. So many rifles.

    Ok- 100 rds makes for a very hot rifle, and someone delusional would have shakey hands making reloads difficult, but he had the means to just thrown that shit to the side and grab another rifle with loaded mag ready to rock..I think the official reports say he had 20 rifles in the room?? Jesus. Imagine how bad things could have been.

    I'm not a believer in conspiracy theories. I think most of these things just boil down to outliers and jack asses. But I also think being a sceptic is good. Questioning narratives needs to happen. My faith in the American news media is not very high. My trust in our govt isn't very high either.
     
  11. KILZ FILLZ

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    Pont taken but not always the case. A guy who owns a spraypaint collection filling his entire garage would probably be more in tune than a guy who runs a graffshop but only has one brand.
     
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  12. Hua Guofang

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    How do you know that the time between firing was for reloads though? I heard that on the news as well but they don't know shit as to what was happening in that room, he could have been some sick fuck jerking off between rifles for all we know. All the information we have is that there were lulls in the firing that lasted approximately a minute. What actually occurred in that room in that time is something that nobody actually knows (or has not made public).

    Yep, we had to change barrels every 300 rounds when we were ripping belts off on the gun. I must admit, I expected to find someting akin to a Mag 58 on a tripod when they took the room.

    I think that's all pretty wise. Question everything but do so with an open mind. I've worked for an organisation that was labelled as NWO by Alex Jones and his group of idiots. Knowing the org from the inside allowed me to know how fucking deluded that claim was. Secondly, having worked with folk central to the political/strategic response to 9/11 I know that there was a 'conspiracy' to target Iran in the response (for strategic purposes), so I know that conspiracies can be real (and they are not along the lines of chemtrails, staged massacres, etc, but they look like the Suez crisis and 1965 Indonesian coup) but I also know that they often go completely tits up...., just like the Suez crisis and invasion of Iraq did!
     
  13. KILZ FILLZ

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    Don't get me wrong, I know conspiracy is real. I've been involved with conspiracy...conspiring to get someone moved from one shift to another without them knowing, conspiring to get someone fired, conspiring to expose a mid level manager as an idiot. It happens. But my faith in the govt accomplishing anything skillfully is pretty slim lol. Simple timekeeping is a daily struggle. Managing a budget is a struggle. Getting rid of shit bag employees is near impossible. Keeping a secret as simple as why someone has taken an extended leave from work is like trying to build a dam out of bubbles lol

    Are there groups beyond that, whom can handle shit, with an unlimited budget/resources/reach, and zero questions ? Fuck yes I believe that. Does media sometimes get fed a narrative that's best for the greater good? Hell yeah I believe that too. This would require as minimal 'in the know' personnel as possible though. And full trust in all of them to never want to write a tell all book. Would a group such as this be able to put enough fear in people to never think they could get away with a tell all book? Fuck yeah.

    But something as big as 911... That's a shit ton of people. Unlikely conspiracy. Likely an outlier assholes. Something like this though... I just don't know. Boiling about conspiracy theories is a form of masturbation with no climax. Would rather worry about how to keep the lady happy and how to stash enough cash for a cushy retirement lol.
     
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  14. Hua Guofang

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    Yes, and just to clarify, I'm not saying 9/11 was a setup. I'm saying that there was an effort to tie it to Iraq in an effort to deal with Iran.

    Not much of a secret but true for some folk, most namely the VP at the time. It was confirmed to me by folk in the room, who if I recall are also public about it.
     
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  15. KILZ FILLZ

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    The guy who got paid to rebuild everything we bombed? Yeah fuck that guy. That whole situation with the drunken hunting accident where he shot his boy in the face(?) and nothing happened is a shame in itself. Fuck that dude.
     
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