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Drug testing

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by Breakinblazer2000, Jun 19, 2001.

  1. Breakinblazer2000

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    Drug testing

    Discussion started by Breakinblazer2000 - Jun 19, 2001

    Ok i started a similar topic a long time ago but the issue has come up again. ok last friday i got an underage alcohol citation at a party. earlier that day i had about 2 hits off a joint, and i had gotten blazed every weekend prior to that for 3 weeks back. im really skinny, and other than those three times i barely smoke ever. what im wondering is:
    as part of the citation will i get drug tested?
    i dont think my court date will be for about a month, if i do get tested what are my chances of passing?
    what can i do to get the thc out of my system other than buy one of those cleartest drinks? (drink lots of water?)
    by the way im in maryland in case anyone in here is from the area and knows the laws about that shit.
    thanks
     
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  2. Remi Martin

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    Remi Martin - Replied Jun 19, 2001

    your fucked kid, thc stays in your system for the rest of your life with the new testing system they use, they can chronologically trace back every time you have ever done somthing illict as far as a substance. So you might as well start working out cause your going to the pen.
     
  3. Face Me Face Death

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    Face Me Face Death - Replied Jun 19, 2001

    I'll sell you my pee for 10 bones. I promise that you will pass a drug test with my piss.
     
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    jades_blue - Replied Jun 19, 2001

    actually, I had TWO friends that drank bleach. So be quiet. You wanna know another thing? They did it more than once. Don't doubt me.. I wouldn't lie about something so stupid.

    (thank you for correcting me Vega)
     
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    EatMorGlue - Replied Jun 19, 2001

    dude, i seriously doubt you'll get tested for an underage alcohol violation. is that even a misdemeanor in md? it became a misdemeanor here a few years ago, i got a ticket and they don't do shit. there also may be a first offenders program.

    here's what happened to me: went to court, got called up to talk to the da, he told me to go through the first offenders program so i said okay, got called up by some lady and talked to her in a back room, and then she gave me a drugs and alcohol evaluation, which was pretty much her asking me about my drug/alcohol usage. she urged me to tell the truth since it wouldn't be used in court in this case and my parents wouldn't find out or anything, whatever, fuck it, if they do that just be like no i never do any drugs and drink occasionally or whatever you want. and then i talked to the judge and plead guilty and had unsupervised probation for 6months, which just means don't get in trouble for 6 months. paid $90 court costs and $150 for drug/alcohol class that was the first offenders program. went to class which was dumb and a waste of time. went back to court 6 months later and got it expunged off my record. all that shit over three beers in my bookbag.

    bottom line: drug testing is expensive and governments (especially state/local) don't have the money to test every teenager that comes in for underage drinking. they just push em through and get on with the next batch.
     
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    curious george - Replied Jun 19, 2001


    mine for 5.
     
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  7. SayOne

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    SayOne - Replied Jun 19, 2001

    7.
    Some chemicals taken orally supposedly will mask traces of drugs in urine.
    Advertisers like to present their diuretic as a masking agent to make the
    sale. Consequently, diuretics are often mistaken for drug screens. Most
    herbal products claim to do a lot more than they actually do. Don't be
    fooled by herbal potions that claim to flush or absorb toxins.

    7.1 Drug screens that work:

    7.1.1 Aspirin: According to Jeff Nightbyrd, there is testing industry
    data that taking 4 aspirins a few hours prior to the test might help you.
    ". . . aspirin interferes with the Syvia [sic] EMIT assay. It seems that
    aspirin absorbs at the same wavelength that NAD does which is how it
    interferes with the assay" (Clin Chem 34 (90) 602-606). Two reliable
    sources have tested aspirin and found it to interfere with the EMIT. In
    the future they will try to find a way to circumvent this test flaw. Until
    then, I certainly recommend taking advantage of the situation and using
    aspirin.

    7.2 Drug screens that do not work:

    7.2.1 Goldenseal: Goldenseal has shown to work on occasion. However, some
    labs are reportedly testing for Goldenseal. Goldenseal is very unreliable,
    and California NORML advises against using it. Goldenseal (as a screen)
    only works on the TLC test, which is not used anymore.

    7.2.2 Niacin: Niacin has been shown to work on occasion. Byrd Labs tests
    conclude that niacin doesn't work at all. In other words, something else
    probably caused a negative, not the niacin.

    7.2.3 Zinc sulfate: Zinc sulfate is claimed to bond with THC metabolites,
    and because it's a solid, it gets passed as stool rather than urine. Jeff
    Nightbyrd says it does nothing. Anne Watters Pearson said "zinc sulfate is
    no miracle drug for pissing. Forget it."

    7.3 Untested drug screens:

    7.3.1 Puri-Blend ©: Puri-Blend is claimed to "block" metabolites from
    entering the bloodstream and to "neutralize" all drugs in the urine. I
    don't believe it myself. Sold in GNC stores.

    7.3.2 The Stuff ©: The Stuff is claimed to absorb toxins in the body
    and block detection of true and false positives. Sold by J&J Enterprises.

    8.
    "Doping" samples consists of spiking the sample with different chemicals.
    Chemicals that defeat immunoglobulin/antigen binding will cause a false
    negative on the EMIT. Most of these additives only work on the standard
    EMIT screening, not on RIA or GC/MS tests. In many cases, passing the EMIT
    is good enough, because they will never do a RIA or GC/MS confirmation on a
    sample that showed negative. I should also add that you may be watched, so
    don't rely on this method. You should be able to find out ahead of time if
    you will be supervised. Some of the following additives alter the urine's
    pH, and most labs now test the pH to see if the sample has been
    adulterated. If you are subject to random tests, you may want to carry an
    additive in your wallet. Additives are illegal in the state of Texas, and
    commercial vendors will not ship their product to Texas addresses.

    8.1 Effective additives: These additives are recommended.

    8.1.1 Bleach (powdered): Chlorinated bleach will test negative, and it's
    the best household additive. In an emergency, Jeff Nightbyrd recommends
    adding unscented bleach crystals to a diluted sample. It's recommended to
    grind the powdered bleach to a finer grain. 1/4 teaspoon is recommended
    for a 60cc sample. For liquid bleach, add six to ten drops. Bleach will
    throw the pH outside the normal body range; so it may be apparent that the
    sample was tampered with. Some bleaches foam or leave residue, so
    experiment with different brands before selecting which to use.

    8.1.2 Klear ©: Klear is a powdered additive. Jeff Nightbyrd, Ann
    Waters Pearson, and Party Hut Enterprises currently endorses Klear. It was,
    until recently, the most advanced and least detectable. However,
    some labs can now detect Klear. Due to the popularity of Klear and many
    cases where people were caught using it, Jeff Nightbyrd recommends reverting
    back to UrinAid. Klear will clear up THC
    metabolites, as well as nicotine byproducts on the EMIT. If
    methamphetamines are present, Klear won't help. Klear is only designed to
    work on the EMIT. It will also work on the RIA when there is a good time
    span between the urine getting spiked, and getting tested. If the RIA test
    is not performed on-site, there is a good chance Klear will cause a false
    negative. Klear can be purchased from Martha Butterfield-Jay Foundation
    and Party Hut Enterprizes now carries. You can also get Klear direct from
    Klear (the organization).

    8.1.3 Water: You can dilute your sample heavily with water. Don't
    confuse this with drinking water; you can also add water directly to the
    sample. Be sure to use hot water (between 91 and 97 degrees), they will
    likely take the temperature of the sample. This method isn't dependable
    because some facilities have the sink water shut off so people can't do
    this. If there is running water, they may listen to you. If you turn on
    the water, make it sound like you're washing your hands or something.

    8.2 Ineffective additives: These additives are not recommended. Many of
    these may give negative test results, but are not recommended for other
    reasons.

    8.2.1 Ammonia: 2 ounces will render the sample negative. The pH is
    altered, and the ammonia odor is strong enough to be recognized.

    8.2.2 Blood: It's been said that a few drops of blood will fix your
    sample; it doesn't.

    8.2.3 Draino: Draino will test negative. However, Draino is NOT
    recommended because it doesn't work well even when half a teaspoon is
    added. It colors the sample blue, and will put the pH outside the normal
    body range. Draino foams, and leaves metal specs that must be removed.

    8.2.4 Goldenseal: A myth. Goldenseal put directly in the sample doesn't
    alter test results. It only turns the specimen brown. Do not dope your
    urine with Goldenseal. Goldenseal is more commonly used as a screen, to be
    consumed. See Goldenseal under section 7.2.1.

    8.2.5 Hydrogen peroxide: Industrial grade will destroy half the THC
    metabolites. Household strength hydrogen peroxide does nothing. 30% H2O2
    may "oxidize the THC metabolite into something that would not react in the
    screening test and would show up as something different by GC/MS" (anon1).

    8.2.6 Lemon juice: Lemon juice is a myth; it will not change the test
    results.

    8.2.7 Liquid soap: Will test negative, but makes the specimen cloudy,
    which certainly draws suspicion.

    8.2.8 Mary Jane's SuperClean 13 ©: This additive was effective for a
    very short period. SuperClean had to be strong enough to beat the tests,
    but weak enough to be undetectable. It failed to cause a false-negative in
    3% of the tests. In fact, it also causes a false-positive on the EMIT for
    alcohol! Don't use it.

    8.2.9 Purifyit ©: Imported from Europe, Party Hut Enterprises sells
    Purifyit with a money-back guarantee. PHE claims there have been no
    returns. Oklahoma NORML refuses to endorse this product because it has
    flunked too many truck drivers.

    8.2.10 Sodium nitrate: This is more effective than table salt (below), but
    dissolves poorly.

    8.2.11 Table salt: Two tablespoons of salt will test negative, but puts
    the density out of normal range. Residue can also be seen at the bottom of
    the cup.

    8.2.12 UrinAid ©: UrinAid, produced by Byrd Labs, is very potent and
    works every time for masking pot and nicotine, but not cocaine or heroin.
    They have recently developed a test solely to detect UrinAid. UrinAid is
    tested for in 5% of the labs. Oklahoma NORML has stopped selling this
    product because it's "too detectable."

    8.2.13 Vinegar: Adding vinegar to your sample will test negative, but
    also drops the pH. In fact, lowering the pH is what causes the sample to
    test negative. "If the urine is extremely acidic or alkaline the
    antigen-antibody reaction will proceed at a slower rate which COULD produce
    a false negative" (anon1). This method is not recommended because if you
    are lucky and lower the pH enough to produce a negative, there's a chance
    that the pH itself will also be tested.

    8.2.14 Visine: This is debatable. Byrd Labs concluded that Visine does
    not work. Clinton said that the lab he worked in tested Visine, and
    concluded that Visine works every time as a false negative for the EMIT.
    It can be detected due to inability of the sample to foam.

    8.2.15 WD40: Another myth. WD40 can only do harm.

    8.3 Untested additives

    8.3.1 Papain: This is a papaya enzyme available over the counter. It
    isn't known whether this does anything. Dr. Grow said that Papain is an
    antibody to THC, and in theory may destroy THC when added to the urine
    sample. However, positive urine doesn't actually contain THC; it contains
    THC byproducts. Papain has not been tested, and may or may not work.

    9.
    This method works for every urine test, every time (provided that some
    conditions are met). You simply give them
    clean urine (not yours). This works very well if you're not supervised.
    If you are going to be supervised, try to talk them out of it. Someone
    told me they were going to be monitored, and they said "I don't want you to
    fuckin' watch me piss!" So the supervisor waited outside; probably with
    his/her ear to the door to listen for opening containers. Members in active
    duty are often watched as the urine flows from source to destination (but
    substitution will even work on this test, as you will find out). Abbie
    Hoffman, author of "Stealing This Urine Test," suggested leaving a few drops
    of urine on the seat or on your shoe for as "an added measure of authenticity."

    9.1 Substitution methods: There are three methods, but two of them are
    painful, and you have to be determined to use them. The most common way to
    sneak in urine is in a concealed container.

    9.1.1 Concealed container: Simply conceal the urine. The first time
    you're alone with the container they give you, dump in your concealed
    urine. Be sure you can quietly open the container; the lab personnel may
    be just outside the door listening. You may be required to change into a
    gown. If so, a condom or douche bag holding the sample and taped around
    the thigh can be concealed under the gown. You can also run a plastic line
    from a flexible container and tape it to your urination equipment (to be
    gender neutral), and even piss under supervision. Females have been known
    to keep a condom with the urine sample in the vagina, and prick it with a sharp
    fingernail to piss under supervision. Be sure to keep the sample between 91
    and 97 degrees.

    9.1.2 Injection: There's a way to use substitution even when you're under
    the strictest supervision. Athletes trying to pass tests for anabolic
    steroids have been known to empty their bladders, and have the substituted
    urine injected directly into their bladders via needle. It was shown in a
    motion picture like "Wildcats" or something. While theoretically possible,
    it's painful and subject to infection. It would certainly be the most
    senseless way to get clean urine into the testees bladder. If this must be
    done, catheterization should be used.

    9.1.3 Catheterization: First void your bladder as you would with
    injection. Run a thin plastic tube to the bladder. (Males must insert the
    tube into the opening of the penis, go through the urethra and into the
    bladder.) Catheterization done on females is not as unpleasant as it is
    for males. Then inject the clean urine into the bladder via catheter.
    Catheterization is less painful, safer, and more effective. Infection is
    still possible.
     
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    cracked ass - Replied Jun 19, 2001

    Cranberry juice can help, but maybe not enough to flip the test. Another thing: work out, exercise heavily, lose body fat if you can. THC is stored in fat, and when you burn it the stored THC is released. People who don't smoke often can get a very mild second-chance high within a few days of smoking just by walking a few miles or otherwise working out vigorously, burning fat and re-releasing the stored THC. (A regular smoker probably wouldn't notice this because the post-exercise dose is very small.)
    I think drug testing, and the whole drug war, is one of the most fucked up things that exists in this country, so I encourage everyone to do anything they can to fuck with the testing system. I don't drink or do drugs, so I'd pass any test, but I refuse to take it on principle.
     
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    willy!wonka - Replied Jun 19, 2001

    funny thing.....i smoked weed right before a drug test and still passed..when i was on probation i failed all the time for thc...when i passed for not having thc i failed for meth..i dont do meth..they must of mixed up the samples...
     
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    tEkRoCkS - Replied Jun 19, 2001

    DONT DRINK BLEACH! my boy drank a small cap of bleach and went blind for about a week....um im also on probation i passed my ferst few still smokin by takin golden an drinkin mass quantities of water.....i have quit since....but test done by pbation cant detect weed after 30days so dont smoke an ull be straight.
     
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    jades_blue - Replied Jun 19, 2001

    WHOA! you're friend went blind?!?!?!? My friends drank a couple of caps full of some clorox and they were fine.. said it was nasty as hell.. but they were fine.

    that list is dope! Where did you find that...
     
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    teister - Replied Jun 19, 2001

    THC stays in you hair and shit. It doesn't come out. I doubt they'll test you though. You'll probably just get like probation and license suspension and AA or something. And probably a fine.
     
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    suburbian bum - Replied Jun 19, 2001

    They cant test you till your court date, so dont smoke any till then. After your court date they probably wont test you soon.So work out, dont smoke, and drink lots of water, im sure you will be fine.
     
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    garcia_vega - Replied Jun 20, 2001

    if you go to gnc or any store with dietary supplements (like fat burner, ginseng, gingko, etc.) you can buy golden seal pills. for as many days as you can before the test, drink at least a gallon of water a day and pop like double or triple the recommended dosage of the pills. now, here's the part a lot of people leave out. a couple days, before the test up until the test, take shitloads of vitamin c pills. if your pee is clear, your results look suspicious even if you pass and you may have to take another one. clear pee = i drank a lot of water to try and beat the test. vitamin c pills keep the pee yellow, while the water and golden seal evacuate the system. you can start the golden seal program as late as 4 days before the test and still pass.

    another really nasty way to do it is drink as much vinegar as you can the night before the test without puking. don't puke cause that will defeat the purpose. i did that once, it is very gross but worked.

    if you have a friend who doesn't smoke pot, have them pee into one of those squirt bottles made for contact lens solution, or something like that. put the bottle down your pants and be careful not to wet yourself. squeeze the bottle into the cup. usually, even if the bathroom is under surveillance, the cameras are at an angle where it looks like you're really peeing.

    if for some reason you fail one, you have the right to another test. between the first and second test, don't smoke, try the golden seal, vinegar, or both again, and you should pass the second one for sure. i have passed several drug tests even though i've been smoking weed consistently for ten years. good luck!
     
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    garcia_vega - Replied Jun 20, 2001

    o yea, and i don't even think you'll have to take one at all by the sound of your situation.
     
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