abrasivesaint Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) Aside from the name of my next punk band project, and the click-baity styled title, I didn't quite know where else to put this where you all would see it, besides start a thread here. Listened to, what i thought was, a really good podcast last night. Probably going to listen to it again today. They talk about the shadiness of some healthcare practices and pricing, among some other things. Some talk about trust issues and unnecessary treatments for @Dirty_habiTand some Free Market talk for @Mercer Everything that does a body good and a 12oz thread needs. A couple things they mentioned i made a point to remember: - They surveyed 2100 doctors and asked the doctors estimations and found that these doctors said: 21% of care is unnecessary 25% of diagnostic testing is unnecessary 22% of meds are unnecessary 11% of medical procedures are unnecessary I’m not sure if they factored in what the percentage of these stats were tests pushed by patients, or doctors, which i imagine is a factor to some degree in terms of patients asking to be tested when they may not need it. I’m assuming the latter. -They found 7% to 8% of doctors push patients into procedures they may not need, or science doesn’t support. (15% of doctors depending on the region.) - The safer a procedure is, the more often it it’s used and abused. - “Nudge Terms” are used to convince a patient to get an unnecessary procedure. One example they used would be: telling a pregnant woman it is safer to have a C-Section to push for the procedure. - One of these men, and a group he is a part of, represents patients in courtrooms in cases where hospitals are attempting to garnish wages. They found that in this particular hospital/region, the total sum of wages the hospital had sued the public for was less than half of the CEO’s pay. They have won 100% of the cases they assisted in. - Many states have “Certificate of Need” laws. Meaning that the local hospitals and facilities have the say on whether or not a new facility (new competition) is necessary in the area. Here is the podcast: Edited February 18, 2020 by abrasivesaint 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_habiT Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Man, bravo.... I feel like you might have substantiated my anecdotal evidence for not wanting to use the medical systems we have in place. Seems like there are certain doctors that "get it" too. I've said for a long time I want a doctor that cares about me as a person and doesn't care about getting a sweet ass paycheck for the work he's doing. I'm fine with them being paid well, as they should be, but I wish there were a way to douche out the medical "professionals" that are ONLY there for the paycheck. I feel like you have a moral obligation to give a fuck when you work in a job like that. Kinda like being a cop.... you can't just be there so you can go power tripping on people.... that doesn't make a good cop. A doctor that doesn't care about the patient as a person doesn't make a good doctor IMO. Thank you for sharing this, I'm going to give it a listen sometime soon when I get some time to do it and I will let you know what I think when I do. I'm notoriously bad at listening to "talk radio" type shows though. I need the visual experience to truly be engaged, but I will give it a good stab for you @abrasivesaint. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrasivesaint Posted February 21, 2020 Author Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) The vast majority of doctors are good people and want to help, there’s just a few bad seeds with financial incentives due to greed or systematic pressures. I cant speak for all of the medical departments but i can could speak on what i’ve seen in surgical departments across the country. Much of it is systematic and piss poor management of funds to pursue “growth” that usually results in internal collapse and being swallowed by a larger “health organization” which is basically just a medical cartel and that’s when prices can start getting really crazy. Edited February 21, 2020 by abrasivesaint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_habiT Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 https://peterattiamd.com/martymakary/ is this a good link for the podcast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrasivesaint Posted February 22, 2020 Author Share Posted February 22, 2020 Looks like the same guy but different podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/econtalk/id135066958?i=1000465149616 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrasivesaint Posted August 11, 2021 Author Share Posted August 11, 2021 The United States trails far behind other high-income countries on measures of health care affordability, administrative efficiency, equity, and outcomes https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2021/aug/mirror-mirror-2021-reflecting-poorly#rank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrasivesaint Posted August 11, 2021 Author Share Posted August 11, 2021 Out of 11 high-income countries in the study, the US ranked number 11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Knight Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Hospital bills don’t go against your credit so you literally never have to pay them. Therefore health care is free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrasivesaint Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share Posted August 12, 2021 12 hours ago, Dark_Knight said: Hospital bills don’t go against your credit so you literally never have to pay them. Therefore health care is free I have gotten so many mixed answers on this through the years.. most recently someone told me that they do, however, the effect to your credit is so small and short lived that you’d barely even notice it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Knight Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 minute ago, abrasivesaint said: I have gotten so many mixed answers on this through the years.. most recently someone told me that they do, however, the effect to your credit is so small and short lived that you’d barely even notice it. I have like 30k in health debt and I don’t pay it and my lender has not once mentioned it during approval process. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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