thecoldmidwest Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 So your saying Animals > People? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WORDISM45 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 no but I'd like to hear your rationale for thinknig people are automatically more important than animals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoldmidwest Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 I don't think I need one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WORDISM45 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 you always need a rationale for a belief my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoldmidwest Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 People are automatically more important than animals because they're people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WORDISM45 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 and what is it that being a 'person' entails that makes htem more important than other living creatures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoldmidwest Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 So if a dog and a little kid were hit by a bus and you can only save one. You'd save the dog?That's fucked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WORDISM45 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 i never said that, and that's not a defense of your statement either. i'm askign what is it about being human that automatically makes you more important than an animal, and you can;t seem to answer that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoldmidwest Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 i never said that, and that's not a defense of your statement either. i'm askign what is it about being human that automatically makes you more important than an animal, and you can;t seem to answer that. The fact that a human being is a human being. This is such a ridiculous argument.:lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoldmidwest Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 So if a dog and a little kid were hit by a bus and you can only save one. You'd save the dog? ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WORDISM45 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 The fact that a human being is a human being. This is such a ridiculous argument.:lol: I'm not sure if you realise but you're making a ridiculously stupid circular argument here. "a human being is automatically more important than any other living creature because it is a human being" if you can;t tell me what it is about being a human being that makes them more important then jsut say so and i will stop asking you... and no i would save the baby and i have a long and fairly complicated reason why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoldmidwest Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 I'm not sure if you realise but you're making a ridiculously stupid circular argument here. "a human being is automatically more important than any other living creature because it is a human being" if you can;t tell me what it is about being a human being that makes them more important then jsut say so and i will stop asking you... and no i would save the baby and i have a long and fairly complicated reason why. You would or wouldn't save the child? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAR Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Its a part of their culture and I respect that but 3000 seems a bit high... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stronzo Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 So if a dog and a little kid were hit by a bus and you can only save one. You'd save the dog?That's fucked up. - What kinda dog?.. Like a little Chow or something.. - How old is this kid? - What kinda bus?.. Grey hound? City Transit? School bus (if so is it the short bus?) You need to be more specific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Feast Island Man Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 why is it wrong to kill animals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WORDISM45 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 I wouldn't say it is wrong to kill animals full stop. I'd say it is wrong to kill animals for any reason other than our own survival, or to stop some human created imbalance in the animal kingdom (like rabbits all over Australia) in the interests of protecting biodiversity and native species. The classical arguments are that it is wrong to kill animals because they have inherent value as living creatures, like we do. Or that it is wrong to kill animals because when a human commits violence on an animal it desensitizes him towards violence that he then may commit on humans . Anyway i think the burden of proof is on you to provide reasons why it is ok to kill living, sentient creatures rather than on others to say why it isn;t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoldmidwest Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 I wouldn't say it is wrong to kill animals full stop. I'd say it is wrong to kill animals for any reason other than our own survival, or to stop some human created imbalance in the animal kingdom (like rabbits all over Australia) in the interests of protecting biodiversity and native species. I'm all for testing/killing (non endangered) animals if it will save/help people. People > Animals :confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Anyway i think the burden of proof is on you to provide reasons why it is ok to kill living, sentient creatures rather than on others to say why it isn;t. thats easy. especially since you've put humans on the same plane as animals. look at our bodies. look at our teeth and our digestive tracks. look at the animals with similar models. our teeth aren't those of the cud chewers. our intestines not those of the gorilla. our need of b12... evolution... i support animal rights out of sympathy and a recognition that certain things are unnecessary. methods of processing, treatment of the creatures... (to clarify--i'm not vegetarian. i eat meat daily. i don't actively buy organic or freerange. i simply recognize these things as probably the right thing to do, i also choose to not participate) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrebelheartsx Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 You would or wouldn't save the child? i'm pretty sure he answered your question when he said "i would save the baby". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Orenthal Norton Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 its against the natural order of life....it fucks up the food chain...slaughter houses are fucked up..but a sirlon steak isnt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAMER Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 What the fuck. Within the first couple of minutes of that video I felt like I had to throw up. I completely agree with people eating meat to live healthily, but is it necessary that we kill our prey in such an inhumane manner? That guy dropping the cinder block on the pigs head makes me want to beat his head in. Its really disturbing that he and others find nothing wrong with that sort of treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrebelheartsx Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 its against the natural order of life....it fucks up the food chain...slaughter houses are fucked up..but a sirlon steak isnt. are you fucking serious? against the "natural order of life"? that's the same kind of statement peole make when they go around bashing gays. and to say that a slaughterhouse is fucked up, but the end result isn't... that's absolutely ridiculous. if you're going to eat the carcass, you damn well should be ok with where it comes from. to sit there and say "oh it was wrong how this animal was killed, but it's right to eat it" is absurd. and as far as the "food chain", there have ALWAYS been vegetarians, whether they be human or non-human. it has no effect on the food chain. because i don't eat meat, that means that somehow it's fucking up the food chain? how? is a lion going to not eat meat and die because i don't eat meat? you make no sense at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Feast Island Man Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 and no i would save the baby and i have a long and fairly complicated reason why. please explain this to me in a long and fairly complicated way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WORDISM45 Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 basically i don't think non-human animals are invested in the future like humanity is. I do however think that they have similar weighting on immediate pain as humans, in that we have the same sentience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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