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what is up with some blac people now aday

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Originally posted by Esai

Hey mapo, maybe we can keep an intelligent discussion as long as we both cool off. Anyways, Im tired so my statement will be sloppy. First of all, illegal is a term for fireworks, guns and drugs, not people. By starting off with that word, youre immediately objectifying real people, not some disease. Secondly, many of those people are basically coming into a land that was stolen a century ago from them, which automatically makes this border bullshit in my opinion. Secondly, most of these places these immigrants come from are extremely poor, a economic state produced by large companies exploiting defenseless people for their resources. Remember, these people never knew extreme poverty until the last century or 2(unless there was a drought), when europeans and then american companies began exploiting them. In mexico(this is just one of many examples), they force farmers to sell their wheat at bullshit prices, prices artificially set by large american food companies, so they can barely afford to survive. they then turn around and sell these products to mexicans at superinflated prices, putting them at an extreme economic disadvantage. The same happens with the cotton industry in Peru, all thanks to crooked politicos and greedy companies. Also, if you read US history in the americas, the US has put in a lot of effort to squash any left leaning govt that has kicked out large exploitive companies, the last one was venezuela a few months ago. many times these govts where democratically elected, and the US opted for tyranny and dictators. In fact, chile wants to extradite henry kissinger for war crimes in that country. So basically, Im saying the US has taken great pains to keep big companies exploiting Latinos, no matter what the price. I dont know if intentional, but another product of this, other than cheap resources, is a large exploitable population which equals cheap labor, which is why NAFTA has been pumped up in the last decade, its just legal pimpin in the americas dog. Now also, the border is a recent phenomenom, which is a scapegoat used by the politicians during economic hardships. Up until the 60's the US was shipping mexicans into the southwest by train to work the fields because americans wouldnt pay high prices for produce, look into the bracero programs and operation wetback(which was a real name for a govt program). Which leads me to my biggest point of all. How do you think produce is so cheap- ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT LABOR. How do you think 95% of construction companies exist-mexican construction workers and masons here ILLEGALLY. How do you think the american garment industry still exists-immigrant labor. If it wasnt for these ILLEGALS, you'd be paying 2 bucks for an apple and just about everything else. Look in the back of most restaraunts and youll find a few mexicans providing cheap labor which is the lifeblood of small business. Now this isnt my opinion, economists far and wide contribute immigrant labor as the glue that keeps america from crumbling, from washing you clothes to cooking your food. This is why eastern europeans, black slaves, chinese coolies, and now illegal aliens are tolerated TO PROVIDE CHEAP LABOR. We live in a super rich country which has the money and technology to pretty much stop 99% of illegal migration, but they never really stop the problem because it would freeze our economy. So these policians will kick up dust about them damn illegals to move the attention away from their own incompetence, or any real reason why people are getting poorer, like the fact that in the last couple decades the majority of wealth has been quickly been consolidated and hoarded by the nations tiny elite population. They whine about immigrants stealing our jobs, without any mention of the multibillion dollar companies that reap these profits. and if it wasnt for the fact that millions hop the border to come here and fill these jobs, these companies would quickly pack their bags and open up plants south of the border, In fact thay are doing this at a lightning fast rate, thanks to our govt and nafta. So actually, you should be thanking these "illegals" rather than complaining about them, or else you'd pay 100$ for a tshirt, 2$ for a carrot, and the house you live in would probably never had been built due to high costs of labor. Not to mention $50 burgers at your local fast food joint. I got all my facts from sociological and university studies, not some whiny hippy. But I feel that youshould probably look up the connections and history of this book author you mention, you might find out he is funded by conservative think tanks and big industry who make $$ off these immigrants. I just dont see much logic in the demonization of illegal immigrants, it's the scapegoat of the naive.

 

Mapo, you make me sick.I felt naucious after realizing what you are. You should be ashamed of yourself thinking that someone's immigration status should dictate whether they live or die. Not to mention that illegal immigrants pay taxes through sales tax, and deserve welfare or anything else a american citizen deserves. But anyways, address the facts Ive stated to you, it seems like you were just waiting to respond without addressing my points. So go ahead, and think before you talk, and back up your statements with some facts, otherwise your rants are illogical bullshit. Oh yeah, I looked up those bullshit websites, do you know several organizations listed donate money to the KKK and support segregation? Either way, Ill bute my tongue to stop dissing you, just think about what I said and prepare a real argument, not the bullshit youve come with so far.

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The only one coming here with bullshit is you. Youre the one who didnt respond to what I said. You made points about the good things illegals do. But I feel as though they are outweighed by the bad, which is what I listed. You just have your head completely up your ass about this and are completely biased in all Hispanic special interests. I get the feeling from you that anything that is to benefit the Hispanics you are all for, no matter the effect it has on anyone else. Since you didnt respond to my points directly - instead opting to accuse me of it - ill ask you some questions.

 

1. What gives them the right to come on to American soil illegaly?

 

2. What do you think of illegals such as Lee Malvo who come over here and commit crimes, sometimes - such as in this case, killing people.

And then spending American tax dollars to keep the locked up?

Do you feel something should be done to prevent this?

 

3. What do you think of illegals with diseases, who spread them here, and then leech off our hospitals for free treatment?

 

And who fucking cares if 'organizations listed donate money to the KKK' ? What does that have to do with shit? I dont like the KKK but they can donate to whatever they want. That isnt the issue Im speaking on.

But I know you like to just group everything together and call it racist.

The doorman at the club is racist, you hate Anglo-America, 'real' black people are the project niggas, the Indians are doing whiteys work by catching criminals trying to cross the border. You seem to find race in every corner of life dont you?

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hey guys here is my argument to this thred....

 

 

DOOBADOOBADOOBADOBADOBADOOOBADOWAAAHBABABACOOBADOOBADOO!

 

BACON!!

 

 

STICK IT TOOO THE MAN!!

 

THIS THRED IS NOT THE SHIZZLE MY NIZZLE!!

 

LETS SEE SOME TITTIES!! :king:

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Originally posted by mapo returns

The only one coming here with bullshit is you.

 

Why didnt your parents dispose of your fetus behind a dumpster so rabid racoons could have eaten your still beating undeveloped heart...

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Shit, if mapo is really black(which I doubt), he IS the definition of an ass-licking house negro...what an idiot...

 

Originally posted by mapo returns

1. What gives them the right to come on to American soil illegaly?

Amerikkka is the CREATION of illegal, genocidal immigrants...what the fuck gives IT the right to claim this soil for certain people only?

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Originally posted by Lil_5panky

Shit, if mapo is really black(which I doubt), he IS the definition of an ass-licking house negro...what an idiot...

 

 

Amerikkka is the CREATION of illegal, genocidal immigrants...what the fuck gives IT the right to claim this soil for certain people only?

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No kidding Pres, but Im bored so I will

 

I thought I pretty much addressed these issues, you must be pretty dense.

1. Most immigrants come to this country for a better life and to work hard. Illegal immigrants contribute to between 10 and 18% of domestic capital(wall st.,UCLA). Thye also pay taxes, sales tax is an example, all together it is estimated illegal immigrants pay 5-10 billion dollars in taxes a year while gnerally not recieving representation or services.

2and 3. A extremely tiny portion of illegal aliens are criminals or severely ill. The disease excuse is a joke since you must be healthy to make the stressful treck across the border, which is extremely physically demanding. Also, a vast majority of these people opt for traditional cures and private medical services(cheap mexican, vietnamese doctors) rather than crumbling dangerous social medical institutions. The instances you mention are random events that are sensationalized by the media because this topic catches the attention to stupid asses like yourself.

The estimated population of illegal people is between 8-15 million in the US. The arrest rate for them is 80,000 or under 1% compared to the 4% arrest record for whites and 12% arrest record for blacks, maybe you should pack your bags.

 

Ive made y case with valid facts and statistics from valid universities. These are general statistics and there are plenty more to back them up. Your argumants are based on opinion, or if anything obscure information manipulated to fit an agenda. The fact that the book authr and websites are linked to org's that are involved with the KKK and prosegregation groups shows a racist motive you fucken moron. What are you 15 or just fucken stupid?

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Esai got the degree right motherfucking there for all you cracker ass bitches and your racist laws.

 

 

to be honest?

 

 

my family came over on the mayflower.

 

 

 

if im going to take a life unjustly..........................belive it would be the cia wall street motherfuckers before i would ever even dream of spilling unjust harm god forbid blood of and "illegal immigrant"

 

 

 

the biggest crock of shit marketed as stew ever.

 

 

 

shit like the mentality of the california goverment puts me on the 5150 tip.

 

 

absurd racist small dick motherfuckers that dont know how the love the fellow man when theys onyour lawn desreve banishment to no hell or heaven.

 

 

they can sit and motherfucking rot till they souls lose for all i care.

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Id like to bump this and further enlighten anyone reading about other positive benefits of so called "illegal aliens". These people account for 10% of our military population, compared to 4% of our national population. Many of these men and women were killed in the recent war in Iraq, I remember 3 from LA I saw on the news recently who were given their citizenship at the funeral ceremony. One of my highschool homeboys had been here illegally since he was 3, he fought in the war as a navyman, his parents own a bakery and all his family were naturalized eventually, but they still recieve illegal familymembers constantly, who work for his parents. This is a well established family who has continuously gievn money to the community and our gov't whether legal or illegal. These are all further examples of why the illegality of many people is absurd, they are people like you or me. Most large cities in the US(including in florida) have inner city and suburban neighborhoods that have been revitalized by the influx of foreign(and generally illegal) populations. Decaying dead boulevards are now thriving marketplaces generating jobs, taxable revenue, and inexpensive goods and services where there was once an empty mess made by short sighted public policy and corporate greed. Here in LA, tons of neghborhoods have been drastically changed for the better by illegal immigrants, including my own, which actually is more shaped by asian immigration rather than latin american,but either way chicago, new york, shit any big fucken city is being reincarnated by the influx of immigrants, generally Latino or Asian but also of african, european, caribean, west and central asian,etc. SO quit that nonsense mapo about what a negative they are, you still dont know shit just because you read some book by some racist cracker,which is probably what you yourself bitch.h

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ILLEGAL=AGAINT THE LAW= SOMETHING YOU CANT DO.

 

WHY DO YOU PEOPLE FIND THAT SO COMPLICATED?

 

im an illegal worker as i type this. i dont expect shit from this country because i dont pay them shit for tax. whoop de doo sales tax, that doesent mean anything everyone pays that. if there was no tax nothing would work. again, i AM an illegal, and do not expect shit from this country.

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Originally posted by T.T Boy

ILLEGAL=AGAINT THE LAW= SOMETHING YOU CANT DO.

 

WHY DO YOU PEOPLE FIND THAT SO COMPLICATED?

 

im an illegal worker as i type this. i dont expect shit from this country because i dont pay them shit for tax. whoop de doo sales tax, that doesent mean anything everyone pays that. if there was no tax nothing would work. again, i AM an illegal, and do not expect shit from this country.

 

 

Esai probably thinks youre not a 'real' illegal.

Or that youre a disgrace to 'your people'.

 

But props to you, TT, if all illegals were like you Id be for open borders.

 

I just dont like the criminals and diseased to come here.

 

But Esai says theyre important or else we'd be paying like ____( make up any amount here, the higher the better) for ______(insert cheap item here).

 

Besides, Homeland Security is 'whiteys work'.

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i guess im a bit different than a mexican border jumper, but still i work and live in this country illegally.

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Hey lying whiteboy mapo, where's your stats bitch? Where's your info and resources? Ive had to do several papers on this subject, if you want to find my sources look up the dept of justice, the US census, usc ucla and UCB sociology dept. studies, not some stupid cracker bitch's opinion, youll find these same stats punk. What have you come with?youre stupid ass opinion based on what? bullshit. You really are a bitch ass pussy, when I come at you with valid facts and stats all you do is assume theyre false, and keep your ignorant mouth shut on the fact that you cant deny all the positives of immigrants. Even without the numbers I gave you, the effects of revitalization that immigrants have built is a huge plus, and the fact that they rarely use social services proves that they dont deserve the publicity that clowns like you bitch about. Get the fuck out of here with your stupid ASS trying to act calm and carry on an intelligent discussion, then when I school you up you resort to pussy ass tactics which shows me the bitch you really are. But beyond the dissing your stupid ass, give me some solid facts and figures, so I CAN continue proving you wrong.

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fuck.

 

i actually had a really long post with quotes and sources which debunked every one of your arguments. but apparently if you take too long writing a post you are logged out.

 

no this isnt a cop-out. i will redo everything. either tonight or tomorrow.

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Most of my arguments dont even need quotes or sources, just your own 2 fucken eyes. Like I said, go to any major urban area and youll see thriving latino/asian business where there wasnt shit a decade or 2 ago. Also youll notice many ethnic doctors and herbal cure stores, this is why most immigrants dont use public medical facilities, most county hospitals suck dick anyways, its a last resort. To tone it down a bit, I will agree on 1 thing, I dont agree with people coming over here strictly to soak up social sevices, but that is an extremely tiny fraction of illegal immigrants here. But that is all Ill agree with you on, and even though I dont appreciate this behavior, if my sister or daughter was gonna die of some crazy disease that I knew wouldnt be cured in my 3rd world country, you better bet your ass Id be packing my bags for a 200 mile treck over the border pronto, and youd either be a liar or heartless to say you wouldnt do the same.

 

Now before you waste yourtime typing all the nonsense from the young republican website remember where and what my statistics are and come from. They are general estimates and percentages, that in no way are manipulated to suit my beliefs ie- a 1% crime rate is exactly what it is, the percentage of crime committed by illegal people contrasted to the total population of immigrants. Pulling some bullshit # out of some conserVATIVE THINK TANK like we spend $50 miilion a year on immigrants is an easily manipulatable number. On it's own it seems like we spend a lot(which is a common conservative trick) but in comparison to the $5 billion immigrants pay in sales taxes, or the $100 billion we spend on healthcareless citizens, it becomes extremely miniscule. But I bet you dont get what i mean. And youll come running with some bullshit quote from pat buchanan or a statistic from stoptheinvasion.com and think this will stand up to verified info from national institutions and universities. So bring on the ridiculous bullshit I am expecting.

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See, thats why its impossible to talk facts with you.

 

You didnt even name any sources! You tell me to look them up myself!

Which of course is no easy task. And the one spot you give a source for that particular item, you just say (wall st., ucla) how about a specific website or a specific study that i can actually look at and see the facts for myself?

 

And youve already got that bullshit attitude like 'if the stats dont paint the picture i want then theyre just twisted to fit an agenda'.

 

Today or tonight, I will debunk all of your arguments. And I will provide a source for every single one of my quotes and accusations. And Ill even go one step further and click the link and see for yourself that its not a bullshit statistic. good to go?

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Re: Re: i thought about the kkk

 

Originally posted by mapo returns

NOUM,

 

Who you talkin to, nigga?

calm your ass down,i'm not talkin to you

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