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the finally stop shooting most of the people and we still complain... "when will they stop the tazers..." when we behave our damn selves... This is their excuse you didn't follow what I said so I *can* do this... If she/others cooperate we'd never hear about them... Now behave everyone sit at home read about graf and obey the damn law, for f*k sakes, its all our fault... You know what to do... Edit: some of you have this situation right despite what "further evidence" would prove. CaCash, your one, the idea is the person was probably affecting the lives of others, blocking traffic acess to work etc, and therefore is in violation of the law, giving the cops the right to step in. Then if she wasn't listening she gets shocked till she listens or untill the cops need to escalate... point is they were in the right she isn't just cuz its unjust doesn't mean they weren't authorized to use such force. Its messed up but thats the law we have...:rolleyes:

Since the thread turned to "former mayor of NY" during the collapse of the wtc... He's no saint, everyone do your job if you can vote make sure he doesn't get in. I'm not getting on the 'vote for change' style bandwagon because the next big election will be my virst time voting. (just getting into politics) but if we can make change we should try. agreed? Peace

That article really shows some of the dedication the legends have

i'm surprised there isn't more posts this vid was pretty cool. Dude is so old school I love it. Anyone got more like this?

house raids? I know they can search once your busted but are you talking straight raids like drug raid style? would old heads sell out the scene for some legals?

that cone is cool shit. bump for something different

Are you talking about the packs of clothes dye? Anybody know if this would work?

wow all this hate for a guy trying to do some shit. If its better than a dabber, relax and shut up. If it is a dabber, dont buy from oink and shut up. Dude isn't saying his shits the best lasts forever, and will make u a king, so calm down. When DeD came out I thought it was marketing I shut my mouth, and I see that lots of people support the shit cuz its good. Give the guy a chance before you talk shit against him. BTW Oink and DeD, if I get more into this shit I'll order from u guys. p.s. His hand is alright, chances are its a practise name...

Re: Don't Call it Frisco so answer the first question is there a distinct sf handstyle? I'm not being a dick, just wondering aswell.

sk8er6 and androidx I guess I'll save it. There is a way to get pen ink to stain REALLY hard I've seen it but can't remember the mix. keep messing with it.

Guys I just got some stamp pad ink (in bottles), stuff stains fingers pretty good, what can/should I mix with it (leather dye?) or should I just use it? I have blue and red, pretty small bottles.

if its a house, don't. If its not a house, how up are you in the city? If your up alot or all city hit it, they won't be able to trace it down to your location. If your not very up, too risky, too close. Also how many "killer spots" that are similar have you hit, if its the only good spot out of 100 you hit it'll look weird, look for similar spot to that in other areas. Good luck, and plan thats what makes you different from kids with cans spraying "fuk u" on walls

k guys my take. Yes they have infared, yes it'll pick you up through most things (you can still get away, try harder, think smarter, research) Yes they will do almost anything to stop graf, why because they can tell the public you are dangerous, gang related etc. so stopping graf gives the appearance of stopping real crimes. Why do you think they sound so shocked when they find grow-ops in nice suburban areas, "I can't believe its happening here" "it looked like a normal house" its appearance vs substance. "For water, the yards are able to switch between reservoir water and well water. The well water, according to workers, does not get the cars as clean, but during water crises, like the one New York is now facing, it means that water usage does not need to be a major concern." Wow and they are people who drink water DIRTIER than what comes off the trains!!! Think they won't put choppers out for you? "These people" only care about their small section of the earth, they allow horrible things to happen in "other" areas of their town, but hate it in their neighbourhood. They allow war, famine, disease, pollution, etc to ruin the planet as long as "their" area is clean. They never had the measures they have now before 9-11, they didn't have use for some of this shit before graf (when they were murders and beatings) but they did when the pioneers started. All of this shit isn't for us, its for the public. Many people feel that cameras and increased police power is ok, cuz they do nothing wrong, but they are giving up their freedom and don't mind. We're an excuse not the reason.

sorry guys but all the real heads bitch about graf getting worse and toys in their town. I know that you can't really learn graf online, but this is a chance to teach a what to do/not to do, so you don't see nasty shit. You KNOW that of all the people on here some will go out and write but most will postwhore and post wack flicks, so help teach people that may not have writers close to them. I know people that write, but I don't get to see them often, I ask as many questions as I can, I've been booking and I'm trying to practise before I hit the streets that way there isn't another toy out there. You cannot get can control online! you cannot get style online! you can be told what the best way to do something is tho. Either help, don't post, or close the thread. btw flares aren't that hard, doing them right is...

if you plan on seriously doing this I pity you. Your going to have a tough time getting real response that will be of value to you. Try finding graff movies or interviews and you may get a better idea, dig through this forum and others, and try to avoid bullshit, you need to do alot of reading between lines. Graf culture (my view only, very toy) is more comlicated than most other subculture, most can agree on rights and wrongs, unique and crap. This culture seems to have very personal beliefs and standards that are not always appreciated by others (in and out of the culture). So the only true way it can be defined is by you(even if your view is as an outsider). It can never be understood and will never be difined in black and white. (unless its flat black w white highlights...)

Late start here too, i've spent my time booking instead of going out. when i hit the streets hard i dont want ppl seeing this "old dude" w wack style. Glad to see, i'm not the only one starting late.

thanks vile found it

theres a pic of what the old school writers used, anyone got a link?

Are Smiths tags w NYfats?

to add to my earlier post, yeah I'm paranoid but its not just w graf I don't like the idea of people watching me, or being justified in stopping me. Anyways I'd say early on take pics of what you can (be reasonable) but once you get better you don't need many pics of throw ups and tags, but always take pics of pieces, this take more effort and generally look better so save em.

I'm not "up" yet, but I'm already being selective of what I document. I've waited a few days before taking pics, and for now I'm only using them to learn from my first throw was horrible... But for the most part I'm not taking pics till I'm pic worthy. Part is paranoia...