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~That thing on the subway....

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by imported_Tesseract, Jan 24, 2002.

  1. ~That thing on the subway....

    Discussion started by imported_Tesseract - Jan 24, 2002

    OK, some of you seen it some of you heard about it. I'm talking about that animation patent thats been instaled in the london subway(at first) and in many euro subways later.
    It works like this:
    You're on the train lookin out the window, and on the wall at your side there are these lighting signs, each one is a frame and as you see them with the speed of the train and your eye focused on the only bright thing, you see a lil movie. I hope you know what i'm talking about.
    Now, i know some people in here work with movies and know stuff(ghhhhhmm, zesto?) some others may have read about it or even have a nice link/book/article whatever.
    I'm mostly interested in the frame rate and the number of frames(signs) that is required,
    anyone? thanx
     
  2. alkaline

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    alkaline - Replied Jan 24, 2002

    Film quality animation (a la Disney) is 24 frames per second. Lesser quality animation is done in 12 frames per second.
     
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    MisPantalonesEstaEnfuega - Replied Jan 24, 2002

    I KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT! There is a water one on the train. I wanna put one up so bad, please get this man a link!
     
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    NATO - Replied Jan 24, 2002

    its not a subway its called the tube
     
  5. imported_Tesseract - Replied Jan 24, 2002

    its the tube on the subway, cheesedick

    Akaline, so i think 12 would work. Now...what about the frequency?
    lets break it down, we have 5 secs of filmed material which is 60 frames and the train is going at about 60km/h(30miles?) how much length that should have, what would be a good spacing between the frames?
     
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    alkaline - Replied Jan 24, 2002

    You're going to have to do a little bit of math and measurment if you are planning on doing what it sounds like you are talking about.
     
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  7. imported_Tesseract - Replied Jan 24, 2002

    Its all hypothetical bro,:D
     
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    mental invalid - Replied Jan 24, 2002

    Now...what about the frequency?
    lets break it down, we have 5 secs of filmed material which is 60 frames and the train is going at about 60km/h(30miles?) how much length that should have, what would be a good spacing between the frames?



    oh my god i just had a flash back to the dreaded fourth grade word problems....dont ask me im hiding under my desk waiting for recess....
     
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    alkaline - Replied Jan 24, 2002

    I just got booted from my computer ... I hate it when that happens.

    How big are you planning on making each individual "frame"?
     
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    alkaline - Replied Jan 24, 2002

    Okay, I think I might have figured this out ... At 60 km/h (37.28 mi/h), with 12 frames/second, for 5 seconds, you would need a total length of 273.4 feet. Each frame would be 4.557 feet long.

    You are going to have to do some kind of prototype or test of some kind to see if this actually works right, but I think that should do it. Go to the library and check out a couple of books on animation. I'm sure there are tons of books that teach you how to make a slot wheel animation (I don't think that's the traditional term for it, but I think you know what I'm talking about). Since that's basically what you are doing with this subway tunnel, this could be a really good way to test your animation on a scaled level. I dunno ... do some experiments.

    Also, there has to be a company that is making and installing these advertising frames in the tunnels. Try to get in contact with them. Say that you are running a story on the science and design of these ads for your "design school newspaper." Ask tons of questions. This will be a good way to get information.
     
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  11. imported_Tesseract - Replied Jan 24, 2002

    *edited, you're the king, thanx
     
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    NATO - Replied Jan 24, 2002

    its actually the tube in the underground.

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    Kr430n5_666 - Replied Jan 24, 2002

    http://www.netgoth.org.uk/people/736.jpg'>
    "interesting?"
     
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    Smart - Replied May 30, 2002

    man, I can't believe I missed this thread... I remember hearing about this about 6 years ago, when it was in the planning stages... ever since I have dreamed of the 'live action bomb'... perhaps one day...
     
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  15. imported_Tesseract - Replied May 30, 2002

    Dude! I cant believe you found that thread!...Btw, same here, i see these coca cola ads everyfuckin day in the subway, i want that spot so bad!...i even though about doing it legaly..but that just doesnt cut it...after the olympics maybe...