Guest killtoy Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 seen about a dozen stamped SP and a couple stamped something else i forgot. but nothing else on the trains were buffed or stamped. only the black boxes were maintained. good news in my book. anybody else catch any stamped with new markings? :) :confused: :idea: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRUSH KILL DESTROY Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 YEA IM PRETTY SURE SP'S LEASE TO GVSR IS UP THIS YEAR... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest socrates Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 woohoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Mask Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 1. Golden Wests - As was stated earlier (sort of), Golden West Service was a project by Greenbrier and SP to rebuild old SP cars (including its new aquisitions, DRGW and SSW) and bring them up to pace with service demands, as well as polish its image a little with shippers and the public. Greenbrier would rebuild the cars and lease them back to SP to cover the expenses. As this was being put together (93) the ICC (now the surface transportation board) was in the process of "deprescription" of car hire rates. Car Hire rates are the established rates that a shipper pays to the owner of the car. "Deprescription" involved changing the way those rates were established, from the previous set formula, to a more market oriented price system that fluctuated. Shortline railroads were given a 10 year "grace period" from these changes, during which they would still use the old formula for car hire rates. In order to "protect" these new cars from the deprescription, SP entered into an agreement with a few shortlines (GVSR, VCY, CRLE) where they would pay them a small amount of money on a regular basis to use the shortline's reporting marks to register these cars. This is where the whole " legal shell game" thing comes into play. Lots of paper work and leasing agreements so SP can save a bunch of cash. Now jump to the present day. ten years from 93 brings us to 03, and as the exemption comes to a close, Union Pacific (who bought SP years ago) has decided that it's going to renumber the cars back to their original numbers so it can stop paying the shortlines for the use of their reporting marks. Its not saving money by being exempt anymore, so why should it? I've seen some VCY's showing up here with fresh stamp cubes and SP reporting marks lately. They dont even seem to be buffing anything else (ie Load Limits), just the minimum required to keep them on the road and legal. So in summary....nothing is changing but the numbers. some pannels may eat it if they decide to re-stamp loads cause they were completely covered...but that happens anyways. Hope that clears everything up.... thats from the other post I bumped up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fr8burner Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 one of my favorite freights...i love seeing them coming down the line, you just know there all gonna be hit with nice old west coast stuff..:king: 80% of my site is golden west service cars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~KRYLON2~ Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highball Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 in the last few weeks I've been seeing about 1/3 of golden wests restamped SP/SSW. man, those UP boxcar lines have some character these days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest krowteN Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 Originally posted by fr8burner one of my favorite freights...i love seeing them coming down the line, you just know there all gonna be hit with nice old west coast stuff..:king: 80% of my site is golden west service cars yeah i know the feeling. my ears stand on end when i see them shits coming too. as of late though they have been pretty clean or just covered with a bunch of trash, which i like to see trash at the bench. i mean bad graffiti is better than no graffiti. i just always hope for an old porn or some old awr stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAITOMANOCU Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 godamn i miss freights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. clasico Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 i agree Originally posted by fr8burner one of my favorite freights...i love seeing them coming down the line, you just know there all gonna be hit with nice old west coast stuff..:king: 80% of my site is golden west service cars yo i checked your site, major error under bus. besides that cool. peace!:D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
podrido Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 hey i know you..... and i know you too long live the panthars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest krowteN Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 Originally posted by podrido hey i know you..... and i know you too long live the panthars long live the 'black pantars' god damnit! and the next time you fuck that up, im gonna sent bobby seal and angela davis over there to shoot your white ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest killtoy Posted December 11, 2002 Share Posted December 11, 2002 hey brother! he's not white... he's a goddamned mexican. :mexican: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanity Posted December 11, 2002 Share Posted December 11, 2002 so are they just like up's now? or do they still get a relatively good amount of play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracked Ass Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 As I mentioned in the other thread about this, the reporting mark change is basically a paper transaction. These cars should continue to run the same routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest krowteN Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 Originally posted by killtoy he's not white... he's a goddamned mexican. :mexican: white cracker, mexican spic or black nigger, fuck em all! i got some cats that will git mideval on his rainbow ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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