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golden west boxes re-stamped

Discussion in 'Metal Heads' started by killtoy, Nov 30, 2002.

  1. killtoy

    killtoy Guest

    seen about a dozen stamped SP and a couple stamped something else i forgot. but nothing else on the trains were buffed or stamped. only the black boxes were maintained. good news in my book. anybody else catch any stamped with new markings? :) :confused: :idea:

    CRUSH KILL DESTROY Veteran Member

    Joined: Apr 4, 2001 Messages: 7,216 Likes Received: 1
  3. socrates

    socrates Guest

  4. Ski Mask

    Ski Mask 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Apr 11, 2000 Messages: 11,114 Likes Received: 209
    1. Golden Wests -

    As was stated earlier (sort of), Golden West Service was a project by Greenbrier and SP to rebuild old SP cars (including its new aquisitions, DRGW and SSW) and bring them up to pace with service demands, as well as polish its image a little with shippers and the public. Greenbrier would rebuild the cars and lease them back to SP to cover the expenses.

    As this was being put together (93) the ICC (now the surface transportation board) was in the process of "deprescription" of car hire rates. Car Hire rates are the established rates that a shipper pays to the owner of the car. "Deprescription" involved changing the way those rates were established, from the previous set formula, to a more market oriented price system that fluctuated. Shortline railroads were given a 10 year "grace period" from these changes, during which they would still use the old formula for car hire rates.

    In order to "protect" these new cars from the deprescription, SP entered into an agreement with a few shortlines (GVSR, VCY, CRLE) where they would pay them a small amount of money on a regular basis to use the shortline's reporting marks to register these cars. This is where the whole " legal shell game" thing comes into play. Lots of paper work and leasing agreements so SP can save a bunch of cash.

    Now jump to the present day. ten years from 93 brings us to 03, and as the exemption comes to a close, Union Pacific (who bought SP years ago) has decided that it's going to renumber the cars back to their original numbers so it can stop paying the shortlines for the use of their reporting marks. Its not saving money by being exempt anymore, so why should it? I've seen some VCY's showing up here with fresh stamp cubes and SP reporting marks lately. They dont even seem to be buffing anything else (ie Load Limits), just the minimum required to keep them on the road and legal.

    So in summary....nothing is changing but the numbers. some pannels may eat it if they decide to re-stamp loads cause they were completely covered...but that happens anyways. Hope that clears everything up....

    thats from the other post I bumped up.
  5. fr8burner

    fr8burner Elite Member

    Joined: Jun 4, 2001 Messages: 2,576 Likes Received: 2
    one of my favorite freights...i love seeing them coming down the line, you just know there all gonna be hit with nice old west coast stuff..:king:

    80% of my site is golden west service cars
  6. ~KRYLON2~

    ~KRYLON2~ 12oz Loyalist

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  7. highball

    highball New Jack

    Joined: Oct 15, 2002 Messages: 22 Likes Received: 0
    in the last few weeks I've been seeing about 1/3 of golden wests restamped SP/SSW. man, those UP boxcar lines have some character these days...
  8. krowteN

    krowteN Guest

    yeah i know the feeling. my ears stand on end when i see them shits coming too. as of late though they have been pretty clean or just covered with a bunch of trash, which i like to see trash at the bench. i mean bad graffiti is better than no graffiti. i just always hope for an old porn or some old awr stuff.


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    godamn i miss freights
  10. Mr. clasico

    Mr. clasico Banned

    Joined: Jul 8, 2002 Messages: 653 Likes Received: 0
    i agree

    yo i checked your site, major error under bus. besides that cool. peace!:D :D
  11. podrido

    podrido Veteran Member

    Joined: Apr 14, 2001 Messages: 9,182 Likes Received: 28
    hey i know you..... and i know you too

    long live the panthars
  12. krowteN

    krowteN Guest

    long live the 'black pantars' god damnit!
    and the next time you fuck that up, im gonna sent bobby seal and angela davis over there to shoot your white ass!
  13. killtoy

    killtoy Guest

    hey brother!

    he's not white... he's a goddamned mexican. :mexican:
  14. Vanity

    Vanity Veteran Member

    Joined: Apr 11, 2000 Messages: 7,673 Likes Received: 6
    so are they just like up's now? or do they still get a relatively good amount of play?
  15. Cracked Ass

    Cracked Ass Veteran Member

    Joined: Oct 24, 2001 Messages: 7,898 Likes Received: 47
    As I mentioned in the other thread about this, the reporting mark change is basically a paper transaction. These cars should continue to run the same routes.