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Freights Compared to Subways

Discussion in 'Metal Heads' started by Ted Wakowski, Apr 13, 2002.

  1. Ted Wakowski

    Ted Wakowski Guest

    There's so many people doing freights these days and newcomers coming up constantly, it reminds me of what the subway days might have been like.

    Does anyone else get the same feel from the freight scene -- seeing trains roll through your town or yard and checking for pieces like you were at a bench in a subway station back in the day? A lot of trains are even starting to build up layers, a few times I've had a hard time finding room to fit something.

    I think it's hot, hopefully they'll remain paintable for a lot longer.
  2. Ski Mask

    Ski Mask 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Apr 11, 2000 Messages: 11,114 Likes Received: 209
    I dont think freights will ever have the density of pieces, or that feeling of activity you get from being cramed full of people. But what the hell do we know? with a few exceptions none of us were around for the subway era, so it just guessing...
  3. T.T Boy

    T.T Boy Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 18, 2001 Messages: 21,803 Likes Received: 41
    waiting for the freights are soft subways are hard comment.

    freights are fun, i love watching them, seeing what wierd cars might turn up, whos gonna be on them, and whatnot, maybe someday itll be like the subway days, who knows.
  4. Cracked Ass

    Cracked Ass Veteran Member

    Joined: Oct 24, 2001 Messages: 7,898 Likes Received: 47
    I get all of that out of the freight scene. It has the basic elements of the subways: a wall on wheels that will roll past an audience. You have to put in a lot of work to get noticed. You can run lines and spots. You can bench a lot of locations and see who's up. Toys trying to get in on the action piss people off and get dissed and abused. And for those who weren't doing subways back in the day, this IS our "back in the day", or it will be, since the subways aren't the same anymore.
    It's always good to see that subways and clean trains are still getting hit, even if they don't run. I always respect the rawness of missions on today's transit, worldwide. It's hardcore, it shows heart. But I have mixed feelings when I hear dedicated transit heads diss freights, especially North American freights. For all their wholecars and razorwire injuries and chases, they're missing what was the whole point of doing the trains back in the NYC days: to see them run, to be up on the lines, to bench and flick. To BE SEEN by people, writers and civilians, on the train and make them react.
    In some cities around the world, there is no place you can go to guarantee a faster demise for your work than the clean train yard. If you don't love hitting transit SOLELY for the adrenalin rush, then you might as well throw your paint into a volcano. I hear some Euro writers boasting of 500 wholecars in a year, and I think of all the paint that got hurled into that, versus the number of people who saw the finished product live, and I just shake my head. Again, I have a lot of respect for the sheer hardcore effort. I just can't believe a writer is willing to hurl themselves against the buff that many times, with that much paint, over and over, risking it all, for an audience of 2 rail cops and a 3-man buff squad. In a way they are dinosaurs, stubbornly sticking to the NYC recipe in a changed world where they've lost sight of what it was for.
    I'd do subways if it were 1982. But it's not. They don't run. So maybe a couple for the rush, and for the nostalgia, but the rest of the time I'll take freights. Yes, they are a different flavored soup. They're not as smooth (most of them), they're not urban as a subway necessarily is. I'm sure people can come up with all kinds of ways to insist that they aren't the same, and those are the people I'm not gonna reach anyway. I prefer to embrace the differences: freights travel further and on more varied routes. (Which, for those who say freights are wack, means you have to put in a shitload of work to run a line or a region.) I've never been to Mexico -never been within a thousand miles of Mexico - but I'm up down there, because I got somebody to hook a locomotive onto my piece and run it down there. Same with Cali, Florida, Alaska, Texas, you name it. But the best difference of all is the plain old longevity. Shit doesn't get buffed the next day or the next week...or even the next year or the next decade. I don't know why that doesn't carry more weight with people who want to be seen on the lines.
  5. honkyartist

    honkyartist Banned

    Joined: Feb 11, 2002 Messages: 150 Likes Received: 0
    freights are nowaday subways
    continuing a train writing tradition
    is what all freight writers are doing

    king of the yakety yak yard

    IVO AKM KILLERZ Veteran Member

    Joined: Jun 25, 2001 Messages: 6,447 Likes Received: 0
    ok here is my perception and i'll try to make it fair as possible.
    1. i think a clean train running with passengers one run to the buff is better than a freight running for a year.

    2.i like doing freights myself because they are easier than clean trains,but not for the fact they dont get buffed,they are just fun to paint.

    3. i think u.s.a writers get into freight a whole lot more than other countries around the world because n.y.c is in america and they think well its all gone now lets do freights.

    4.actually riding your clean train panel is the biggest rush ever because u can sit right next to it and watch everyones expressions about it,u cant do that with a freight.

    5.i'll end this now because i dont want to be too biased but bottom line is a flik of a clean train that no one saw is better than a freight 1000 people saw because the flik lives on stronger anyway.

  7. zxcvb

    zxcvb New Jack

    Joined: Jan 9, 2002 Messages: 68 Likes Received: 0
    there is no comparison
    cleans are the dopest

    word ..riding the panel is fun
  8. kaesthebluntedwonder

    kaesthebluntedwonder Elite Member

    Joined: May 16, 2000 Messages: 3,066 Likes Received: 1
  9. pukey1

    pukey1 Elite Member

    Joined: Mar 10, 2001 Messages: 2,996 Likes Received: 0
    my mom can beat up your dad

    SKUMBALUCKAH Senior Member

    Joined: Nov 22, 2000 Messages: 2,060 Likes Received: 1
    I would like to ditto most of what IVO said. No disprespect to frieght painters, I have even painted some in my time and I have no problem with them, I can see they are another way of getting up. but...

    NOTHING can compare to the feeling of seeing your train pull in at a station slapped in everyones face. seeing the reactions and just having a massive grin on your chops.

    They are MUCH more exciting to paint than frieghts. More hardcore goes without saying. :p ;)

    Graffiti looks so damn fresh on commuter trains, they are made for each other. IMO Frieghts look ugly.

    To the comment made about painting trains is like throwing your paint down a volcano is compleate and utter rubbish. Belive it or not there are now things called cameras, they alow you to duplicate an exact image of your chosen subject in the form of what we call a photograph. There is a big network amongst train writers, people know who is doing what. There are also vast amonts of media puplications to get your trains seen in that way if you wish (supprisingly enuff this is one here! omg!).

    My final words; if everyone is constantly smashing trains, some things ARE GOING TO RUN. and trust me they do!!!
  11. Fox Mulder

    Fox Mulder 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Nov 23, 2000 Messages: 12,434 Likes Received: 86
    i don't think anyne has said this in this thread yet, but to americans freight trains i think have more of a meaning in our culture than maybe europe.
  12. Ted Wakowski

    Ted Wakowski Guest

    I agree. In America, freights are kind of a subconscious reminder of the industry and time that created our modern landscape. We probably wouldn't be the same country if the industrial revolution had never occured, and freights are a connection from that era to the current one.

    Not that other places don't have a freight scene of their own, but going along with what Fox wrote, it seems more deeply rooted here.

    "Art within industry."
  13. krowteN

    krowteN Guest

    take it from someone who lived through both eras. nothing will ever replace the days of ny transit between 1969 and 1989. Freights are just what came after that, a sort of a "passing of the torch" I cant say i liked either one better than the other. i think the subways had to die out. it was inevatable. but that is what influenced people to paint freights. And lastly whats up with these foreigners. I mean i love fliks and all trading checkin out peoples albums yadda yadda yadda, but thats all bullshit in the big scheme of things. if you cant see graffiti in real life, moving on a train then it is defeating the purpose. if all you have to show for your graffiti is a photo album of pieces that ran for 2 hours than so be it. what if you loose that photo album, or that shoe box...then your fucked
    you foreigners can talk all the shit you want, but come to any american city with a transit system and we'll see just how many clean trains you can do, over and over again.
  14. krowteN

    krowteN Guest

    even thoug the whole post is right and exact i had to take an excerp from this because this sums all the foreigners up in a nutshell. ny transit had its time. with freights we've captured the essence. bombing trains in the 70's and 80's wasnt about doing a piece, catching a horrible night shot and posting it on the internet. it was about BEING SEEN, in real life, by all writers who were looking. so before you run off at the lip about all this "oh im hardcore transit" bullshit you need to get the full story. there was more to it than just doing a piece and catching a flick. if nobody sees it, if you havent pissed some straphanger off or some fool waiting for a train at a crossing or made some writer turn his head when it rolls by then you have missed the point of the whole thing. you should go paint a canvas and at least make some money. i hate to beat the dead horse but internet and flik fame is for homosexuals, word up.
  15. chester copperpot

    chester copperpot Junior Member

    Joined: Sep 10, 2001 Messages: 244 Likes Received: 20
    anyone that paints 500 wholecars on anything in a year, even 500 wholecar sized things on legal walls, is trying way too hard.