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Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan.

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by T.T Boy, Apr 19, 2002.

  1. T.T Boy

    T.T Boy Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 18, 2001 Messages: 21,803 Likes Received: 41
    OTTAWA - Canada is launching a board of inquiry to find out how a training mission in Afghanistan turned into a tragedy that took the lives of four Canadian soldiers.

    Pilot may have acted in self-defence: Pentagon

    Canadians shocked, saddened, outraged by deaths

    Politicians express condolences and ask questions

    BACKGROUNDER: Canada's Casualties

    Defence Minister Art Eggleton says former chief of defence staff Maurice Baril will head the investigation into the tragedy near Kandahar. Four others will be named to the board soon.

    Eggleton says the Department of National Defence has already launched its own parallel investigation.

    JOIN THE DISCUSSION: Share your thoughts on this story

    The four soldiers died when a U.S. National Guard F-16 fighter jet dropped either one or two 250-kilogram laser-guided bombs during an overnight training exercise. Dead are Sgt. Marc Leger, Cpl. Ainsworth Dyer, Pte. Richard Green, and Pte. Nathan Smith.

    Eight other soldiers were wounded. Six of them arrived for medical treatment at an American military hospital in Germany Thursday. Governor General Adrienne Clarkson was there to meet them. Two of the soldiers are in very serious condition. The other four could be on their way home by Saturday.

    The wounds of the two others are minor and they've been treated in Afghanistan. The bodies of the four soldiers who were killed are expected to arrive in Germany Friday, before being flown back to Canada.

    According to an American report, two U.S. fighters spotted the live fire and asked a command centre for permission to strafe the area. Permission was denied. But the report says the jets thought they were being attacked and one of them bombed the area.

    The U.S. jet was reportedly not involved in the training exercise on the ground.

    Marley Leger, the wife of Sgt. Leger, told CBC News that her husband was 29 and had been a soldier for eight or nine years. She said family members were on their way to her home in Edmonton.

    Joyce Clooney, the grandmother of Pte. Richard Green, says she got a letter from him just last month, reassuring her that he was doing well.

    "He just wanted to be somebody, just to do something important," she said.

    The victims were all members of the Third Battalion of Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, based in Edmonton.

    The Defence Department said the deaths were the first loss of Canadian lives in an offensive operation since the Korean War in the 1950s.

    The injured are listed as: Sgt. Lorne Ford, Cpl. René Paquet, Master Cpl. Curtis Hollister, Cpl. Brett Perry, Pte. Norman Link, Cpl. Shane Brennan, Master Cpl. Stanley Clark, and Cpl. Brian Decaire.

    Written by CBC News Online staff

    any thoughts?


  2. what are you talking aboot?

    this is further proof that the US should not be over there to begin with. we're killing allies and terrorism isn't really slowing down. its bullshit in my opinion
  3. platapie

    platapie Guest

    yeah the us kinda fucked up.
  4. NoamChomsky

    NoamChomsky Guest

    Im sorry to hear of this.I know fighter pilot selection and training is extremely competitve and only the best of the best make it.And in my opinion its premature in this case to start assigning blame.I also know many combat air patrols go on all over the world everyday with out problems but it seems like some pilots are a little too eager to try out their "toys".But this eagerness to prove themselves is a well documented trait in Rangers and Delta force guys as well(not to mention many non military highly specialized professions) Not a combat death since the Korean war?Canada does a good job of exploiting other countries without getting its hands too dirty...
  5. T.T Boy

    T.T Boy Dirty Dozen Crew

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    im not sure exploiting other countries is the right way to say it noam.

    im just pissed that some eager beaver pilot ignored his denial to fire and killed our soldiers in fighting what would most likley be considered "America's war".
  6. NoamChomsky

    NoamChomsky Guest

    I believe it is.I respect Canada for alot of things,but they do not have a squeaky clean record(not that anyone does,but still).Please T.T,im all about learning new things so feel free to enlighten me on your stance.

    "Indonesia is Canada's second largest aid recipient.Since 1985,Indonesia has recieved annual disbursements of 45-75 million.Canada gives more bi-lateral aid to Indonesia than America does.Japan is number one."-East Timor Alert Network
    Hmmm oil from the sea of Timor,dig in canucks!
  7. Smart

    Smart Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Apr 14, 2000 Messages: 17,017 Likes Received: 178
    my question is what the hell we're CANADIAN SOLDIERS doing in Afghanistan anyway? They're probably planning the U.S. invasion. I think it's too bad we didn't get them alive!

    Actually, this was a horrible tragedy... it's always too bad to hear these things
  8. NoamChomsky

    NoamChomsky Guest

    Hey TT,do you know if Canada's counter-terrorist unit JTF(Joint Task Force)was deployed to Afghanistan?Also,how are soldiers treated up there?Is it a respected profession,or is it comprable to Japans SDF,seen as pointless by many?
  9. --zeSto--

    --zeSto-- Guest

    The JTF is involved.

    There aren't as many 'career military' people up here,
    but it is regared as a respectable job. All be it on outdated gear.

    And now the news say that the fighter pilot was told NOT to fire,
    and that the canadians were in a 'safe-training-zone'.

    Someone has to pay for this.
  10. Dr. Dazzle

    Dr. Dazzle Veteran Member

    Joined: Nov 19, 2001 Messages: 8,147 Likes Received: 3
    The Canadian military is a joke. It's obviously incredibly sad that these guys died, but for the most part, Canada's military is pretty pointless. I guess it is respected, and I have nothing against soldiers, but we get nowhere near as much funding as the American or Russian armies. But then again, few countries do.....

    This shit is all over the news. Sad.....

  11. Step8

    Step8 Senior Member

    Joined: Nov 25, 2000 Messages: 1,367 Likes Received: 11
    its extremly sad to hear.
    the fog of war is always a part of military operations
  12. Ski Mask

    Ski Mask 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Apr 11, 2000 Messages: 11,114 Likes Received: 209
    Noam: the JTF were the first canadian military units to go over there. There was a big stink after the JTF handed over captured prisoners to the US, cause the defense minister claimed he didn't know about it, then turned around the next day and admitted he had known for a week. I forget the exact details, but that was all over the national news for a fucking month...
  13. nomadawhat

    nomadawhat Veteran Member

    Joined: Aug 24, 2001 Messages: 5,001 Likes Received: 2
    Canada has an Army? Get out of town.
  14. --zeSto--

    --zeSto-- Guest

    yep! and they all fit on 1 dogslead.
  15. nomadawhat

    nomadawhat Veteran Member

    Joined: Aug 24, 2001 Messages: 5,001 Likes Received: 2

    You mean they used to.....right?