thinksmall Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 omfg read. daniel quinn. pro ron paul book. so hawt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILOTSMYBRAIN Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 i thought you hated ron paul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinksmall Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 i never said that. i was just..... puttin on the shoes of someone who didnt agree with him! anyways, i was all for him when i first heard about him - just didnt understand why i should agree with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 i liked the idea of this book. i read it because UNDYING recommended it. i think it would have been far better as a collection of essays though. some great ideas are presented, but in such an unappealing fashion. it was too "hippie" for me as an actual story. i'd recommend it, but not for anything more than for an interesting (not great) read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrebelheartsx Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 ^if you're looking for something more along those lines (collection of essays, whatnot) but on the same topic, check out his book The Story of B. they're both great books, i highly recommend them. i also recommend The Culture of Make Believe by Derrick Jensen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap two Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 ishmael was written long before ron paul was going to run for pres... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T ReXXX Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 I really enjoyed reading ishmael..BUT....it didnt really teach me anything. I liked how it was written and some of the questions it asked. I think it was more designed to provoke thought then to actually answer present day questions/problems. Also...i think the movie "INSTINCT" was written based off concepts from this book. I could be wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrebelheartsx Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Also...i think the movie "INSTINCT" was written based off concepts from this book. I could be wrong though. absolutely correct. granted, it's a pretty far cry in most aspects from the book, but it is loosely based off of Ishmael. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T ReXXX Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Good movie nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T ReXXX Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 ...trying to spark up some discussion.. What is evolution leading up to? Its ignorant to think that we are the end result of it...as the book says...at one point the jellyfish thought it was the most evolved being..and now..that seems just silly. Soo maybe in the whole scheme of things we (humans) may make nor more of a stir then the occurance of a jellyfish. i dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVERWURST* Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 I read these books in high school. They are good as a foundation so I won't hate them (admittedly, I don't clearly remember the bulk of what they were aside from the basics), but they are in no way relevant to Ron Paul, nor something I would be likely to read now because the concepts are good, but basic. Jellyfish never thought anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stronzo Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Ishmael the sailor?? i read these books in highschool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T ReXXX Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Yep! You got it stronzo...thats the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrebelheartsx Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 ...trying to spark up some discussion.. What is evolution leading up to? Its ignorant to think that we are the end result of it...as the book says...at one point the jellyfish thought it was the most evolved being..and now..that seems just silly. Soo maybe in the whole scheme of things we (humans) may make nor more of a stir then the occurance of a jellyfish. i dunno. i don't really see any way in which evolution can ever completely stop. to think that it can or would seems pretty foolish to me. granted, it seems hard to think that there could be anything more advanced than we are now, but by the same token, there was a time when it didn't seem like there could be anything more advanced than fire, or the wheel, or the steam engine, etc. so basically, i don't think we're the end result. i couldn't even begin to take a guess as to what will come next, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohnoone Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 technology has taken the reigns from evolution. a bazillion years ago, a giraffe with a slightly longer neck got laid over the one with the shorter neck because he could reach the trees better, and the necks got longer and longer. now the guy with the latest gadgets/most money gets laid, not the most enviornmentally usefull/helpfull guy. this will be humanities downfall. dont worry about the earth, its going to make it forever. its people that are going to wipe themselves out. the earth has been through so many ups and downs and ice ages and whatnot. deserts become oceans and vice versa. humans think that they are the pinnacle of creation, but think about dinosaurs and the millions of lost species and versions of "cave-people" and early man. now with global warming republicans like to nitpick with al gore over whether we are actually causing it or its "just happening" (like the ice age did, or the shifting of the land masses or whatever other massive change in earths history.) either way its bad news for us, so why fight about it. our time here is limited. try not to be an asshole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T ReXXX Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 technology has taken the reigns from evolution. a bazillion years ago, a giraffe with a slightly longer neck got laid over the one with the shorter neck because he could reach the trees better, and the necks got longer and longer. now the guy with the latest gadgets/most money gets laid, not the most enviornmentally usefull/helpfull guy. this will be humanities downfall. dont worry about the earth, its going to make it forever. its people that are going to wipe themselves out. the earth has been through so many ups and downs and ice ages and whatnot. deserts become oceans and vice versa. humans think that they are the pinnacle of creation, but think about dinosaurs and the millions of lost species and versions of "cave-people" and early man. now with global warming republicans like to nitpick with al gore over whether we are actually causing it or its "just happening" (like the ice age did, or the shifting of the land masses or whatever other massive change in earths history.) either way its bad news for us, so why fight about it. our time here is limited. try not to be an asshole. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrebelheartsx Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 ishmael is an excellent book. I also recommend the Culture of Make Believe by Derrick Jensen. Also along those lines you may want to check out John Zerzan's work. As for the future of evolution it's hard to say. Maybe the future will look like what Ray Kurzweil propounds. Maybe we'll kill ourselves before we even get there. Zerzan's kind of a quack. he talks a damn good anti-civ message, but has definitely been spotted out at fast food places chowing down. now, i'm not saying he should live in a shack and eat grubs and berries, but if you're gonna be one of the main people speaking out against civilization, don't you think you should probably avoid Arbys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrebelheartsx Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 oh yeah i totally agree. it's damn near impossible to completely escape all of it. on the subject of the next steps of evolution, and anti-civ sentiments, anyone planning on watching that "Life After People" thing on the history channel? looks pretty interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrebelheartsx Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 i'm sure there will be quite a few torrents of it after it airs... if i can get my PVR to work, i'll probably set one up myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 i saw the preview for that last night. i want to see that very much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrineShrimpr Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Anyone see Into The Wild? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrebelheartsx Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 no i've been wanting to see it, i just haven't had a chance yet. there was a showing here a while back that was paired with a Q&A wih emile hirsch, but i missed it because i'm dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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