hamihaha Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 Well is it possible to "big brother" a country with 1,3 billion inhabitants? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 Well is it possible to "big brother" a country with 1,3 billion inhabitants? yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibfamily Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 yes. theyd have to have a good reason they woulnt just watch every single person 24/7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 theyd have to have a good reason they woulnt just watch every single person 24/7 "they" as in humans, don't need to watch. computers do the "watching" just like echelon. there aren't millions of agents to listen to every call, computers listen for key words. when a word is brought up, the conversation is flagged. then an agent is assigned the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Feast Island Man Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 echelon doesn't actually flag up keywords it's flagging system is based on inflexion of the voice. or something like that. I remember reading an article about it at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 echelon doesn't actually flag up keywords it's flagging system is based on inflexion of the voice. or something like that. I remember reading an article about it at some point. no, it flags keywords. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/1999-11/14/019r-111499-idx.html http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do;jsessionid=8E4490BD59F02896B867E9DBE76EDE56.node1?language=EN&pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+REPORT+A5-2001-0264+0+NOT+XML+V0//EN http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/echelon_011121-1.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 They gotta be tired as fuck of having to listen through every graffiti related conversation about going bombin. :biglaugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Infact I wouldn't be surprized if they're stockpiling all them conversations to use against us when the day comes that graffiti is declared "terrorism". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermentor666 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 it's actually borderline legal here. i look at it as an infringement on our rights as some police officers use it as an excuse to get personal (nosey). it happened once to me when i moved up here (tennessee). the cop came up to my window and asked for identification. sort of nazi-esque in my opinion. we shouldn't have to present id to travel in our own country. No, but you aren't allowed to drive without a license, which is a legal form of identification, so if you were driving you could technically be pulled over for not having identifaction. If she stopped you for no reason, that is hardly fascism, it's just her being a bitch. It's hardly fascism, but you seem to have voided the word of all meaning in your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 No, but you aren't allowed to drive without a license, which is a legal form of identification, so if you were driving you could technically be pulled over for not having identifaction. If she stopped you for no reason, that is hardly fascism, it's just her being a bitch. It's hardly fascism, but you seem to have voided the word of all meaning in your head. driving is a right, not a privilege. if you understand where a drivers license originates, you would understand how fucked up cops are about what they are doing. a drivers license comes from cowboys driving cattle through town. you had to get a "driver's license" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WORDISM45 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 driving is a right, not a privilege. if you understand where a drivers license originates, you would understand how fucked up cops are about what they are doing. a drivers license comes from cowboys driving cattle through town. you had to get a "driver's license" and what about the driver's licenses in all the countries that didn't have cowboys mustering cattle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell jones Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 driving is a right, not a privilege. if you understand where a drivers license originates, you would understand how fucked up cops are about what they are doing. a drivers license comes from cowboys driving cattle through town. you had to get a "driver's license" Driving certainly isn't a right, but I too am disturbed by the invasion of privacy that a driver's license represents. It would be better if your driver's test simply required you to get a certificate, but not one that could be used to connect you to everything else about your life, like a driver's license can. Driver's license don't seem to be about safety to me, but rather about getting your money in fines and fees. We actually pay to be watched. Isn't that awesome? And getting pulled over for no reason is fascism. It is also a violation of the fourth amendment rights. I am totally against drunk driving, and I think drunk drivers should be thrown in jail, but stopping people randomly doesn't protect the public's safety, but rather infringes the rights of the innocent. If you are drunk driving and a danger to society, cops have no trouble picking you out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermentor666 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 It's hardly fascism, but more like racism. If everyone in this country regularly got stopped for no reason, then you might have a point, but a few racist and corrupt cops do not equal fascism. SOME counties, cities, or towns have tried quota programs to force police to make a certain amount of traffic stops, but those have been defeated in court. It happened in the town I live in and the police themselves actually fought to defeat the quota system. And driving is certainly not a right. It is a privilege you must earn by passing the driving test and obtaining your license. That's why 10-year-olds cannot drive. The only thing that violates your privacy is how by default your social security number is on your license, and you have to request to have a unique number instead. If you think it's a violation of privacy then please explain why, because I see nothing inherently invasive about it other than the SS number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 It's hardly fascism, but more like racism. If everyone in this country regularly got stopped for no reason, then you might have a point, but a few racist and corrupt cops do not equal fascism. SOME counties, cities, or towns have tried quota programs to force police to make a certain amount of traffic stops, but those have been defeated in court. It happened in the town I live in and the police themselves actually fought to defeat the quota system. And driving is certainly not a right. It is a privilege you must earn by passing the driving test and obtaining your license. That's why 10-year-olds cannot drive. The only thing that violates your privacy is how by default your social security number is on your license, and you have to request to have a unique number instead. If you think it's a violation of privacy then please explain why, because I see nothing inherently invasive about it other than the SS number. "right to travel" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermentor666 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Then travel by foot, you asshole. There is no mention of any right to travel in the Constitution. Certainly nothing about cars. You need a license to drive a car just like you need a license to fly a plane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 CASE #1: "The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived." Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221. CASE #2: "The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579. CASE #3: "The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment." Kent v. Dulles, 357 US 116, 125. CASE #4: "The right to travel is a well-established common right that does not owe its existence to the federal government. It is recognized by the courts as a natural right." Schactman v. Dulles 96 App DC 287, 225 F2d 938, at 941. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermentor666 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Yeah, I read the Google search two, ace detective, and that does not mean squat because it is still illegal to drive without a license. And every person who has been caught for that has and will go to court or get a ticket, in both cases with the defendant losing. This probably happens every day in every state. How about all of them apples that the place you ripped those cases from does not mention? Because it would prove them wrong. There is no right to drive. If you want to say that only someone with a license to drive has the right to drive, that's a different story. But of course you are always so vague and mysterious in your reply that I have no idea what exactly you are talking about. It's hard to figure out what stating simply "right to drive" means. Maybe you are above even words now in your deluded mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 It's hardly fascism, but more like racism. If everyone in this country regularly got stopped for no reason, then you might have a point, but a few racist and corrupt cops do not equal fascism. SOME counties, cities, or towns have tried quota programs to force police to make a certain amount of traffic stops, but those have been defeated in court. It happened in the town I live in and the police themselves actually fought to defeat the quota system. And driving is certainly not a right. It is a privilege you must earn by passing the driving test and obtaining your license. That's why 10-year-olds cannot drive. The only thing that violates your privacy is how by default your social security number is on your license, and you have to request to have a unique number instead. If you think it's a violation of privacy then please explain why, because I see nothing inherently invasive about it other than the SS number. Quotas are prevelent in pretty much every municpality in America. Your town must be "special". And you're right, driving is not a right. That's because we live in a fascist police state. And who the fucks social security number is on their liscense? Sure as fuck not mine. But if it were then that would be even more of an invasion into my civil rights. Do you even have a liscense? Are you older than 16? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Yeah, I read the Google search two, ace detective, and that does not mean squat because it is still illegal to drive without a license. And every person who has been caught for that has and will go to court or get a ticket, in both cases with the defendant losing. This probably happens every day in every state. How about all of them apples that the place you ripped those cases from does not mention? Because it would prove them wrong. There is no right to drive. If you want to say that only someone with a license to drive has the right to drive, that's a different story. But of course you are always so vague and mysterious in your reply that I have no idea what exactly you are talking about. It's hard to figure out what stating simply "right to drive" means. Maybe you are above even words now in your deluded mind. or perhaps i thought that maybe your stupid ass would take some initiative and do a fucking search for yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Fuentes Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 security cameras would only film another attack, not stop it. the chances? 50/50 false flag in my opinion. that reminds me of the pentagon video, where is that video? national security eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermentor666 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Quotas are prevelent in pretty much every municpality in America. Your town must be "special". And you're right, driving is not a right. That's because we live in a fascist police state. And who the fucks social security number is on their liscense? Sure as fuck not mine. But if it were then that would be even more of an invasion into my civil rights. Do you even have a liscense? Are you older than 16? How do you know they are prevalent in "pretty much every municipality in America"? This is not a fascist police state, but I'm beginning to have an idea of what your name was before based on your fanaticism. In Massachusetts, the default license number on your license is your Social Security number, at least it was when I got my license in 1998. We don't have a right to drive without a license, because there are a lot of people who should not be driving because they are shitty drivers that cannot pass the driving test, and because children should not be driving cars. It has nothing to do with fascism. Are YOU over sixteen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermentor666 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 or perhaps i thought that maybe your stupid ass would take some initiative and do a fucking search for yourself. I said I did a search. Can't you read, "stupid ass"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 How do you know they are prevalent in "pretty much every municipality in America"? This is not a fascist police state, but I'm beginning to have an idea of what your name was before based on your fanaticism. In Massachusetts, the default license number on your license is your Social Security number, at least it was when I got my license in 1998. We don't have a right to drive without a license, because there are a lot of people who should not be driving because they are shitty drivers that cannot pass the driving test, and because children should not be driving cars. It has nothing to do with fascism. Are YOU over sixteen? Are you serious??? Arguing that cops don't have monthly ticket quotas is like arguing that the Earth is flat. It's common knowlege. It's not even a secret. You could even ask a cop and he'll probably tell you that it's so. Maybe it's different in Mass, but I doubt it. And I can't speak for Mass, but I have ID cards from several states and each of them have a different drivers# than the other. And none of them are my SS#. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermentor666 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 It's not common knowledge at all, you don't know what you are talking about. I know for a fact that Boston and all the cities that surround it do not have ACTUAL quota systems where a cop must make a certain amount of arrests or write a certain amount of tickets per month. ID cards are not a driver's license. I don't know about the ID cards in Massachusetts, but when I got my license in 1998 and my social security number was put on it. I had to get it changed once I figured out it was a bad idea--I was too young to give a shit about it at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 yeah, SS# here was optional on your license, too. i don't recall when they started doing that, but it's been like that for awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 ID cards are not a driver's license. I don't know about the ID cards in Massachusetts, but when I got my license in 1998 and my social security number was put on it. I had to get it changed once I figured out it was a bad idea--I was too young to give a shit about it at the time. But it's the same number. I have both a drivers liscense and an ID card in PA and the number on both of them are the same. And not my SS#. And it was never an option, it's just the way it is. It's the number that they give you when you're a teenager and it stays that number for life or at least as long as you live in that state. Infact when you fill out applications for jobs they ask for both your SS# and your driver/id#. Maybe Mass is just different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 It's not common knowledge at all, you don't know what you are talking about. I know for a fact that Boston and all the cities that surround it do not have ACTUAL quota systems where a cop must make a certain amount of arrests or write a certain amount of tickets per month. It's common knowlege. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermentor666 Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Well you have about as much credibility as I do on that subject, except that I know for a fact that my area does not have a quota system and legally blocked such a system from existing, while you have provided nothing to prove your "common knowledge" theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermentor666 Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 By the way, you're a fucking idiot and you type at the level of a fifth grader, and your command of the English language is sub-par, even for a fifth grader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WORDISM45 Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 yeah someone ban drunken asshole for being such a massive idiotic douche of the year who speaks out of his arse about things he has no idea about constantly, seriosuly some moderatorship would be good right about now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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