The Constitutional Rangers

[WORDISM45]

i think you are misguided.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/suprynowicz/suprynowicz48.html

 

 

 

and yeah, i meant that. lick her majesty's boots and love it...love her eugenics programs.

 

what a fucking stupid article.

 

They don't even go into why he was shot they just state that he was and then speculate that it must have been because some blood hungry police wanted to kill him and take his guns.

 

Casek he was shot after murdering a police officer who was in the area investigating another assault that occured in the neighbourhood that he was probably responsible for. It's not a Ruby Ridge case (something that happoened in your country that more closely resembles a police state affair than anything thats ever happened over here).

 

Wow those statistics are so telling just imagine a 3% rise in the homicide rate, guess what mate over here that means one more person was murdered this year than last, not really conclusive proof that some correlating factor has caused a rise in violent crimes.

 

I also found it absolutely hilarious that the Author described the Howard government as Left Wing, really goes to show how intelligent and on the ball he is.

[stunt double]

casek, you cant honestly be posting that as a credible news source. they cite australia's government as "leftist" but since 1996 australia has been under the control of the liberal party (conservatives). that wsa clearly written with very little factual basis.

 

*edit* -yumone beat me to it..

[lord_casek]

sooo....liberal means conservative?

that's what you just said...liberal means conservative.

 

 

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberal

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conservative

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/left-wing

[angelofdeath]

vin is a stand up guy. he is dead on in that article and is uncompromising in his love for liberty.

a bunch of nazis recently marched on south carolina's capital, all surrounded by police with swat vests, and tactical gear. numerous residents commented that they couldnt distinguish who the storm troopers were.

that says alot.

 

but i am totally sympathetic to casek's point that australia is most likely more of a police state for the simple fact that a basic God given right such as the right to self defense and to bear arms is totally compromised there. the difference between freedom and slavery is arms ownership. which is why america isnt a full blown police state right now. if the population is disarmed liberty will erode to serfdom very quickly. the federal government knows that if it really tries to pull a full out war against its citizens liberty, they will be checked, and will be engaged in a guerilla war of unknown proportions. even if one percent of the gun owning population retained thier arms and thier liberty, that would equal roughly 750K pissed off tyranny fighters. that is why governments tend to use the frog in the water effect. they turn the heat up real slow on the frog in the pot so he thinks he is taking a hot bath instead of cranking it up real hot and making him jump out.

the heat has been turning up on america for quite some time now. most people just dont realize it.

[angelofdeath]

sooo....liberal means conservative?

that's what you just said...liberal means conservative.

 

 

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberal

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conservative

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/left-wing

 

i think in australia the terms are reversed, the way they once were in america. conservatives now adays are supposedly 'conserving' the classical liberal founding of america. and liberals just turned to outright socialists.

lots of term perversion. i think in most parts of the the western world besides america liberal means essentially what real deal conservatives stand for.

[angelofdeath]

" I also found it absolutely hilarious that the Author described the Howard government as Left Wing,"

 

of course vin would also call the bush administration 'left wing' because he is so far to the right.

[lord_casek]

ahh, i see. well, in our country, bush is truely liberal. has promised to pass every single anti-gun law that comes across his desk.

[WORDISM45]

casek it just screams 'you' the way you are confronted by a point that shows how stupid something you said or posted is and then instead of addressing anything you just try to say something about a single word definition and then smugly think you're correct.

 

The 'Liberal Party' of Australia is right wing conservative. The party was formed before the term liberal had the connotations it does today.

 

AOD It's pretty convenient for this Vin guy to describe anyone he disagrees with as 'left wing' because he's so far right isn't it. generalisations make it a lot easier for his followers to understand what he's talking about i'll bet. "left wing bad, right wing gooood"

 

Also he's not 'dead on thew money' in that article because he presents a nutjob useless derro who killed a cop and assaulted a neighbour as a hero because he liked to own powerful guns and kill people with them. If anything its a perfect example of why that shit should be illegal, because fuckwits like the guy mentioned go nuts and pick people off with them.

 

 

It's really pathetic how the be all and end all of whether or not you are in a police state or not is whether you can own a bunch of Assault Rifles. Casek maybe you should try a new conspiracy about how the government lets you guys keep your guns because it knows thats all ytou give a shit about and as long as thye let you do that thne you wont do shit about the ten thousand other civil liberites that they take away.

[lord_casek]

so i was unfamiliar with your countries terminology for the parties? so fucking what?

all we care about is guns? no, sir, you are wrong. all i care about is my country and my loved ones.

 

those who would throw away their guns leave themselves at the mercy of the merciless.

guns are a tool to keep them in line. we have guns, they have guns. as aod said, they won't do anything such as they have done to your country as long as they know there are citizens who have the nuts and tools to keep them in line.

[stunt double]

so i was unfamiliar with your countries terminology for the parties? so fucking what?

all we care about is guns? no, sir, you are wrong. all i care about is my country and my loved ones.

 

those who would throw away their guns leave themselves at the mercy of the merciless.

guns are a tool to keep them in line. we have guns, they have guns. as aod said, they won't do anything such as they have done to your country as long as they know there are citizens who have the nuts and tools to keep them in line.

 

yeah, pretty much like you are unfamiliar with anything else about australia.

 

who are the merciless you are talking about? you keep mentioning the concept of an enemy that requires you to own guns because they have guns, but never define this enemy. that is called delusional paranoia.

 

you say that you are scared of having your right to bear arms taken away by an "enemy", because then you would be in a police state. apparently you only own guns to defend your right to own guns... that makes sense.

[angelofdeath]

i dont think casek thinks that america is some utopia and australia is 1938 nazi germany, but i think that australia might be slightly further down the road to serfdom than america. i think its a valid point.

 

its not a paranoid delusion at all to be concerned with your own, your family or your countrymen's lives. its a fairly dangerous world we live in. violent crime is pretty high in america, there is a terrorist threat, we have a fairly tyrannical government in the US. these are 3 obvious threats to someone. was it delusional and paranoid that patrick henry didnt want the us government to have the power to have a standing army when not at war because he thought they would march down to his state and rob its citizens of thier liberty?

 

the problem is the government has a monopoly on force and have a bunch of guns. the criminals are killing, raping and robbing people with guns. citizens must be allowed to own guns to defend themselves. killing someone not in self defense is illegal and someone should be put to death if they do so, whether they use a gun, knife, or a pencil.

there is a fairly popular saying and is part of most oaths of office...

americans should be ready to defend thier lives or liberty from all enemies 'foreign or domestic.' that includes criminals, private citizens or government agents, terrorists, etc.

 

thomas jefferson once said..'"laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

 

george washington said..."A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."

[lord_casek]

AOD: perhaps you're just as delusional as i because you believe in the inalienable rights granted us by simply being alive?

[lord_casek]

here we go, AOD

 

 

http://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/Instructions/3.17QuitSocialSecurity.htm

[WORDISM45]

look to be perfectly honest i'm still undecided on gun rights because there are extremely compelling arguments on both sides depending on whta the situation is.

 

The fact is you guys see the right to own a gun as the be all and end all of freedom. To me this seems farcical.

 

If you have a point to make about Australia being more of a police state than America that doesn't involve whether or not you're allowed to own a fully automatic machine gun in your family home i'd be really interested to hear it, otherwise you're beating a long dead horse and look extremely ignorant in relation to the plethora of civil and human rights infringements that occur daily i America thanks to your federal government and armed forces.

[DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER]

Yo Casek I usually agree with you but this arguement is retarded. Everybody knows that Australia is way more layed back and freer than America. You're only arguement is that we supposedly have the right to bare arms which we really don't. Try walking down the street with a gun on your hip or over your shoulder and see what happens.

AOD, the difference between freedom and slavery is alot broader than gun ownership. It has alot more to do with obiedience and opression. When the day comes that civilians are 100% banned from owning guns nobody's going to go to war in the streets. Everybody's already too controlled and scared. America is the deffinition of a police state. Just because Ausies can't own guns doesn't mean that they are less free than us. They have vast more freedoms than us.

And for the record, I was an NRA member for years. I'm all for the right to bare arms. But to act like that's the only distinction between slavery and freedom is just plane retarded.

[WORDISM45]

Yo Casek I usually agree with you but this arguement is retarded. Everybody knows that Australia is way more layed back and freer than America. You're only arguement is that we supposedly have the right to bare arms which we really don't. Try walking down the street with a gun on your hip or over your shoulder and see what happens.

AOD, the difference between freedom and slavery is alot broader than gun ownership. It has alot more to do with obiedience and opression. When the day comes that civilians are 100% banned from owning guns nobody's going to go to war in the streets. Everybody's already too controlled and scared. America is the deffinition of a police state. Just because Ausies can't own guns doesn't mean that they are less free than us. They have vast more freedoms than us.

And for the record, I was an NRA member for years. I'm all for the right to bare arms. But to act like that's the only distinction between slavery and freedom is just plane retarded.

 

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[angelofdeath]

"AOD, the difference between freedom and slavery is alot broader than gun ownership. It has alot more to do with obiedience and opression. When the day comes that civilians are 100% banned from owning guns nobody's going to go to war in the streets. Everybody's already too controlled and scared. America is the deffinition of a police state. Just because Ausies can't own guns doesn't mean that they are less free than us. They have vast more freedoms than us.

And for the record, I was an NRA member for years. I'm all for the right to bare arms. But to act like that's the only distinction between slavery and freedom is just plane retarded."

 

well considering the NRA is a gun control organization, i'll take your opinion with a grain of salt.

no where have i denied that america is essentially a police nation. presidents with near dictatorial powers, renegade congress that doesnt follow the constitution, unelected, life tenured lawyers in black robes called judges, various laws abriding liberty, etc.

 

you are right about having major restrictions on gun ownership in america. the problem is that genocide in the 20th century by a peoples own government almost always started with either gun registration which led to confiscation or with just plain gun confiscation. over 70 million people were killed by thier own governments, who first disarmed its citizens. this is undeniable fact. im not saying arms ownership is the only difference between freedom and slavery, but it is the difference between being a subject and being a citizen. atleast in america stormtroopers arent confiscating guns, yet.

 

if the US government tried to outright ban guns and confiscate them, there WILL be a guerilla war of unknown proportions, for the simple fact that if one percent of gun owners resist the confiscation it will be roughly 750K pissed off patriots. our army cant whoop the insurgents in iraq, what are they gonna do with 750K people in thier own backyard?

 

compared to the rest of the world, which is literally almost entirely disarmed save switzerland (arguably the 'freest' country on earth) the US is a gun heaven.

 

the reason why i feel that the aussies are more prone to being taken advantage of by either criminals, thier own government, invaders, is the simple fact that they cant own anything over a .22 caliber rifle. for anyone more than a point blank head or chest shot, you are out of luck. sure, if they have a little bit more free speech or whatever, cool. but you cant protect your right to free speech with speech. you need weapons.

[russell jones]

 

compared to the rest of the world, which is literally almost entirely disarmed save switzerland (arguably the 'freest' country on earth) the US is a gun heaven.

 

 

I'm surprised you think so, since they have both relatively high taxes and universal health insurance, not to mention mandatory military service.

[angelofdeath]

note the 'arguably' in there...

[DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER]

 

if the US government tried to outright ban guns and confiscate them, there WILL be a guerilla war of unknown proportions, for the simple fact that if one percent of gun owners resist the confiscation it will be roughly 750K pissed off patriots. our army cant whoop the insurgents in iraq, what are they gonna do with 750K people in thier own backyard?

 

 

Well then where are these patriots now? Where have they been the past 6 or 7 years?

You'd think they'd be taking action while they still have guns to fight with.

[DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER]

well considering the NRA is a gun control organization, i'll take your opinion with a grain of salt.

 

 

I hear you. Actually I saw them as being more concerned with promoting the Republican party and spreading Republican propaganda than anything. That's why I stopped fuckin with them years ago.

[angelofdeath]

" Well then where are these patriots now? Where have they been the past 6 or 7 years?

You'd think they'd be taking action while they still have guns to fight with."

 

valid point.

i refer to it as the frog in the water effect. i think i mentioned it earlier. you keep a frog in warm water and turn the heat up slow to cook him so he just thinks hes taking a bath instead of cranking it up real hot and making him jump out. that is what DC has been doing since 1860. cranking up the heat slowly... banning certain speech, violating federalism, creating a paper money system, income tax, various drafts and mandatory service, the new deal... first registering machine guns, then banning new production of them, banning the carrying of guns, etc. all this is done slow and overtime so everyone one wouldnt outright revolt. think about it. if taxes were raised to 80% of ones income, what would happen? there would be a tax revolt. raise them to 80% over 80 years and everyone thinks its normal.

[DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER]

" Well then where are these patriots now? Where have they been the past 6 or 7 years?

You'd think they'd be taking action while they still have guns to fight with."

 

valid point.

i refer to it as the frog in the water effect. i think i mentioned it earlier. you keep a frog in warm water and turn the heat up slow to cook him so he just thinks hes taking a bath instead of cranking it up real hot and making him jump out. that is what DC has been doing since 1860. cranking up the heat slowly... banning certain speech, violating federalism, creating a paper money system, income tax, various drafts and mandatory service, the new deal... first registering machine guns, then banning new production of them, banning the carrying of guns, etc. all this is done slow and overtime so everyone one wouldnt outright revolt. think about it. if taxes were raised to 80% of ones income, what would happen? there would be a tax revolt. raise them to 80% over 80 years and everyone thinks its normal.

 

 

Exactly. And that's my point. We're already so enslaved that nobody gives a shit anymore.

If they outright 100% banned guns tomorrow, there'd be no revolt. Shit, most people are so brainwashed that they'd be all for it. Most people actually want guns banned. They think that somehow it'll stop murders and everything will be all good if only the military and cops (masta) have guns. People are just robots anymore. Too concerned with working 2 jobs and coming home to their video games. They could give a shit about freedom and democracy and what kind of life their kids are gonna have.

[angelofdeath]

i think you are right that 95% + of the people would support it. but a small percentage of people are actually patriots. and there would be a revolt. that revolt would be massive. like i said, one percent is roughly 750K. if one percent sent the declaration of independence to DC and mobilized to resist, i think it could get interesting.

i think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.

[WORDISM45]

 

the reason why i feel that the aussies are more prone to being taken advantage of by either criminals, thier own government, invaders, is the simple fact that they cant own anything over a .22 caliber rifle. for anyone more than a point blank head or chest shot, you are out of luck. sure, if they have a little bit more free speech or whatever, cool. but you cant protect your right to free speech with speech. you need weapons.

 

thats not true a friend of mine who is actually a 12ozer owns a .338 or whatever the fuck it is

[angelofdeath]

im sure its registered, but i might be wrong. i thought i read that all calibers over .22 were banned.

unless its semi auto's over .22

[WORDISM45]

nah its all above board.

 

i dont think any semi autos are legal i think they need to be bolt action or pump action i dunno askj barrykrocker

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[lord_casek]

thanks wolffeman.