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  1. cunt sauce

    Egypt

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/28/egypt-police-brutality-torture-wikileaks US Embassy cable reveals : "Independent NGOs have criticized GOE-led efforts to provide human rights training for the police as ineffective and lacking political will. The GOE has not yet made a serious effort to transform the police from an instrument of regime power into a public service institution. We want to continue a USG-funded police training program (ref F), and to look for other ways to help the GOE address police brutality. End summary and comment. ------------ NGO contacts estimate there are literally hundreds of torture incidents every day in Cairo police stations alone." These were embassy cables dated in 2007 and 2008... How much did US give Egypt last year? Why is Hillary speaking out against violence now?
  2. cunt sauce

    The Flower

    and an excuse to attack communities in South America.
  3. cunt sauce

    Egypt

    Robert Fisk: Obama Administration Has Been Gutless and Cowardly in Dealing with the Mubarak Regime The renowned Middle East journalist speaks from Cairo on the historic uprising and how President Obama has lost an opportunity to back a democratic movement in the Middle East. http://www.democracynow.org/2011/2/3/robert_fisk_obama_administration_has_been
  4. YEMEN http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/01/2011127100660857.html "Tens of thousands of people in Yemen have taken to the streets in the country's capital, calling for an end to the government of Ali Abdullah Saleh, the president. Inspired by recent events in Tunisia and Egypt, opposition members and youth activists rallied at four different locations in Sanaa on Thursday, chanting for Saleh, who has been in power for 32 years, to step down." "However, Motahar Rashad al-Masri, the Yemeni interior minister, ruled out any resemblance between the protests in Yemen and the public outcry in Tunisia and Egypt. "Yemen is not like Tunisia," he said, adding that Yemen was a "democratic country" and that the demonstrations were peaceful."
  5. Wrong. We're talking about authoritarian dictatorships and extreme rises in food costs. Things have to get way worse in order for them to get better here. You want to see a revolution here? Maybe when Wal-Mart closes and gas prices rise to $15 a gallon.
  6. I really don't know why you're wasting your time.
  7. MARLON NEEDS TO UP HIS READING COMPREHENSION SKILLZ: The day after the incident, Cates told Thompson he did not have sexual contact with the woman after her 911 call. However, he said the two had met about nine months before, when he pulled her over. The two exchanged phone numbers and had consensual sex in his car a couple weeks later, he said. During a second interview with Thompson the next day, Cates changed his story. This time, he admitted he had oral sex and intercourse with the woman in the wake of the 911 call. "Officer Cates stated he let his sexual arousal get the best of him," the report says. "Officer Cates knew that having sex while on duty 'wouldn't be OK' and stated he made a stupid decision." Cates also said he made up the story about having sex with the woman nine months earlier. "Officer Cates did not know why he fabricated the story that he previously had sex with (the woman)," the report says. Convicting police officers of crimes is "always difficult," Lovern said. Our society is based on a clearly defined and widely accepted yet often unarticulated hierarchy. Violence done by those higher on the hierarchy to those lower is nearly always invisible, that is, unnoticed. When it is noticed, it is fully rationalized. Violence done by those lower on the hierarchy to those higher is unthinkable, and when it does occur is regarded with shock, horror, and the fetishization of the victims.
  8. Water Rights is a pretty interesting yet depressing topic. FLOW is another great documentary. Vandana Shiva is the shit.
  9. cunt sauce

    wikileak

    "In one fell swoop, the candor of the cables released by WikiLeaks did more for Arab democracy than decades of backstage U.S. diplomacy." http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/01/25/whispering_at_autocrats
  10. "Tunisia's government issued an international arrest warrant for ousted President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali on Wednesday, accusing him of taking money out of the North African nation illegally." http://www.npr.org/2011/01/26/133243488/tunisia-issues-arrest-warrant-for-ousted-president
  11. HOLY SHIT Things are heating up in Egypt too! http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/01/20111251711053608.html [/img]
  12. Convicting police officers of crimes is "always difficult," Lovern said. Milwaukee, Wisconsin http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/113829989.html "The day after the incident, Cates told Thompson he did not have sexual contact with the woman after her 911 call. However, he said the two had met about nine months before, when he pulled her over. The two exchanged phone numbers and had consensual sex in his car a couple weeks later, he said. During a second interview with Thompson the next day, Cates changed his story. This time, he admitted he had oral sex and intercourse with the woman in the wake of the 911 call. "Officer Cates stated he let his sexual arousal get the best of him," the report says. "Officer Cates knew that having sex while on duty 'wouldn't be OK' and stated he made a stupid decision." Cates also said he made up the story about having sex with the woman nine months earlier. "Officer Cates did not know why he fabricated the story that he previously had sex with (the woman)," the report says. "Officer Cates cited being nervous, scared, shocked and tired as reasons for being untruthful," the report says."
  13. http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/113829989.html
  14. http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/113829989.html 911 police call results in rape, woman says Officer later was fired but not prosecuted; federal investigation is in progress By Gina Barton of the Journal Sentinel Jan. 16, 2011 Federal authorities have launched a criminal investigation against a recently fired Milwaukee police officer accused of sexually assaulting a woman after he responded to her 911 call in July. Former officer Ladmarald Cates admitted to internal affairs investigators that he had sex with the woman, who called police because teenagers were trying to kick in the door of her north side home, according to police records obtained by the Journal Sentinel. Police Chief Edward Flynn fired Cates, who gave conflicting stories to department officials, for lying and for "idling and loafing" - because having sex on duty is against department rules. Cates has appealed his dismissal to the civilian Fire and Police Commission, which has the power to give him his job back. The woman's account suggests the system designed to protect the public from rogue police officers broke down at several levels. And it isn't the first time an on-duty Milwaukee police officer has been accused of sexual assault. The woman called 911 for help, but when police arrived she was victimized repeatedly - sexually assaulted, mistreated by backup officers and then jailed on trumped-up charges when she refused to remain silent, according to her attorney, Robin Shellow. The Journal Sentinel does not name victims of sexual assault. In an interview with the newspaper, the woman said numerous officers - on the scene and at the police station - accused her of lying when she begged for help and asked them to take her to the hospital. The Milwaukee County district attorney's office spent two months reviewing the case but didn't charge Cates. The woman said that during that time, prosecutors ignored her phone calls. "In all honesty, I just want to die," said the woman, a mother of two young children. "I know I can't die right now, because I got the kids. But if I could find someone to take care of my kids as good as me, I'd just end it. I think about it every day and every night.  . . . I'm sick of thinking about it. I'm sick of crying. I'm sick of people calling me a liar." The FBI and U.S. attorney's office opened a federal investigation after the district attorney's office declined to prosecute Cates. In an October letter to Flynn, Assistant District Attorney Aaron E. Hall said he believed the woman's account but didn't think he would be able to prove a sexual assault case in court. "While I did find the victim's version of events credible, I did not believe that her testimony would be strong enough to successfully prosecute Officer Cates," Hall wrote in the letter to Flynn. Chief Deputy District Attorney Kent Lovern said prosecutors also considered charging Cates with misconduct in public office but decided against that as well. "We always have to consider how a jury will react in considering evidence against a police officer," he told the Journal Sentinel. When a citizen accuses an officer of wrongdoing, department protocol calls for a supervisor to be summoned to the scene. The supervisor then determines whether an investigator from internal affairs, known as the Professional Performance Division, should be dispatched. In sexual assault cases, investigators from the Sensitive Crimes Division also are supposed to be notified promptly. Those things didn't happen in this case, according to the woman's account. The woman says she told officers on the scene that Cates raped her. It appears that a sergeant responded two hours after the initial 911 call, according to dispatch records. But no one from internal affairs or Sensitive Crimes took a statement from the woman on the scene. Instead of being taken immediately to the hospital for treatment and evidence collection, she spent approximately 12 hours in jail before speaking with a sergeant or being interviewed by internal affairs. Only after that did she receive medical attention. Besides Cates, no officers have been disciplined for violating those practices or for any other conduct connected with the incident, according to Milwaukee police spokeswoman Anne E. Schwartz. She declined to answer specific questions about the woman's allegations and did not make Flynn or any supervisors in District 3, where the incident occurred, available for an interview. The Police Department declined to release reports of its internal investigation into Cates' behavior, citing the pending federal investigation. The department also would not release a photo of Cates. Cates, 43, did not answer the door at his home and did not respond to a letter left there. His former partner, Alvin Hannah, could not be reached. Cates' attorney, Jonathan Cermele, did not return telephone calls. Studied criminal justice The woman was 19 at the time of the incident and had been living on her own, with the help of the foster care system, for four years. In addition to raising her children, ages 2 and 3, she had been given custody of her 15-year-old brother by the courts because of their mother's drug addiction. She was studying criminal justice at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. The woman, now 20, has been ticketed for numerous traffic violations since 2006, according to online municipal court records. She also was ticketed for resisting and obstructing an officer in December 2009. "I want to be someone in life, to help other people," she said. "But now I'm kind of lost." During a 2 1/2 -hour interview with the Journal Sentinel, the woman provided a detailed account of what happened. On the afternoon of July 16, some teenage girls in the neighborhood were harassing her as she sat on the porch, she said. She went inside. But instead of leaving her alone, the girls started throwing bricks through the windows and trying to kick in the door, so she called 911. Cates and Hannah responded, according to police dispatch records. Although the teens who had thrown the bricks were still outside, the officers didn't talk to them, the woman said. Instead, she said, they seemed focused on getting everyone but her out of the house. First, the officers urged her to call someone to pick up her children, which she did. Hannah then handcuffed the woman's brother, saying there was a missing persons report out on him, she said. The woman had been in court three weeks earlier to file for guardianship of her brother, she said. She showed the officers check stubs for payments she received from the state to care for him under the kinship foster care program. She also called her social worker, who got on the phone with the officers and confirmed her brother was supposed to be living with her, she said. Hannah took her brother out to his squad car anyway. Cates then gave her boyfriend $10 and told him to go to the store for some water, the woman said. "I asked him did he want some water from the refrigerator," she said. "He said, 'Oh no, that water looks cloudy.' " Her boyfriend - the father of both children - walked to the store a couple of blocks away, he confirmed. Cates then asked the woman to follow him to the back of the house so he could see the damage, she said. She showed him broken windows in the bathroom, then reached behind the toilet to pick up a brick that had landed there. She turned around to find the officer with his pants down, she said. He demanded oral sex. Shocked and afraid, she complied. Afterward, Cates raped her, she said. He did not use a condom. Then he let her go. "I ran outside crying, saying, 'He raped me. He just raped me.' " Arrest follows protests The woman's 15-year-old brother, who by then had been uncuffed and let out of the squad car, started shouting at Cates and his partner. Hannah put him in a chokehold, the woman said. When the woman, who weighs 105 pounds, tried to come to her brother's defense, Cates came up behind her, she said. "He embraced me like he knew me," she said. "I didn't want him touching me." When she struggled, Cates shoved her toward one of her friends, who was standing nearby. He told them to be quiet or they would be going to jail, the woman said. But she didn't stop saying that he had raped her. When Cates overheard, he threw her to the ground, she said. According to dispatch records, Cates and Hannah called for backup using the urgent code "officer needs assistance," which signals all available officers in the area to respond. At least 10 showed up, according to the records. The woman said she told one of the backup officers what had happened and asked him to take her to the hospital. "He cracked up laughing," she said. "He said, 'You're not going to the hospital. You're going to jail. Quit lying.' " At the police station, she told the booking officer about the rape. He didn't believe her either, she said. Cates came into the holding cell while she was waiting to be questioned, she said. "He said, 'You better tell them you made it up.' . . . I was looking down. He said look at him in his face. He said if I tell, he and his partners will be coming to see me." She told Cates she would recant the accusations, but she did not. Instead, she asked to speak with a supervisor. A sergeant whose name she does not know came to talk with her. "He said I ain't gonna get out of jail by lying. I said, 'I'm not lying. Could you please help me by getting me to a hospital?' " Shortly after that, about 12 hours after the woman first called 911, an internal affairs detective came to talk to her. The detective, Reginald Thompson, called an ambulance, which took her to Aurora Sinai Medical Center for treatment and collection of evidence, she said. Thompson also interviewed the woman at the hospital and seemed to believe her, she said. Nonetheless, she was taken back to jail, where she was detained two more days. She was not charged with any crime. Cates' statements Flynn's internal complaint against Cates, obtained by the Journal Sentinel, summarizes numerous statements Cates made to internal affairs investigators. The day after the incident, Cates told Thompson he did not have sexual contact with the woman after her 911 call. However, he said the two had met about nine months before, when he pulled her over. The two exchanged phone numbers and had consensual sex in his car a couple weeks later, he said. During a second interview with Thompson the next day, Cates changed his story. This time, he admitted he had oral sex and intercourse with the woman in the wake of the 911 call. "Officer Cates stated he let his sexual arousal get the best of him," the report says. "Officer Cates knew that having sex while on duty 'wouldn't be OK' and stated he made a stupid decision." Cates also said he made up the story about having sex with the woman nine months earlier. "Officer Cates did not know why he fabricated the story that he previously had sex with (the woman)," the report says. "Officer Cates cited being nervous, scared, shocked and tired as reasons for being untruthful," the report says. Online municipal court records show the woman was ticketed for running a red light and driving with a suspended license in November 2009. She told the Journal Sentinel she recalled being pulled over by Cates around that time. A friend was in the car with her, she said. Cates gave her his telephone number, but she crumpled up the paper and threw it out the window because she thought it was inappropriate for him to be hitting on her, she said. She didn't recognize him when he responded to her July 911 call but later remembered his name, she said. Because having sex on duty is against department rules, Flynn fired Cates for "idling and loafing" - the same count used to punish officers for sleeping on the job. Each of the two counts of "untruthfulness" also warranted dismissal from the force, according to Flynn's complaint. Disciplinary record Cates was hired by the Police Department in 1997. His disciplinary record dates back to 2001 and includes infractions for mistreating a prisoner, lying and failing to carry out the functions of the department in an efficient manner, according to his personnel record. In 2002, he was suspended for two days for "failing to conform to and abide by the criminal laws in effect in the state of Wisconsin," his record says. No further details were available. He has appealed his firing to the Fire and Police Commission. A hearing on whether he will get his job back has not been scheduled. Assistant U.S. Attorney Mel Johnson would not discuss the federal investigation of Cates. Lovern, of the district attorney's office, said local prosecutors were informed of the federal probe a few weeks ago. "We're certainly willing to assist in any way possible," he said. Convicting police officers of crimes is "always difficult," Lovern said. However, officers have been convicted of crimes in recent years, including sexual assault. In 2007, fired Milwaukee police officer Steven Lelinski was convicted of sexually assaulting women he met on duty and was sentenced to 21 years in prison. For years, the veteran officer acted as a sexual predator in a police uniform, preying on prostitutes, drug addicts and women with warrants he encountered on police calls and assaulting them, knowing their word wouldn't stand up to his, Assistant District Attorney Miriam Falk said at Lelinski's sentencing hearing. Besides the charged cases of three women, Falk presented allegations against Lelinski from six other women whose cases were too old to prosecute. Several of those were reviewed earlier by the district attorney's office and rejected because prosecutors said the women were not credible enough. In the wake of the beating of Frank Jude Jr. at a party full of off-duty officers in 2004, three officers were acquitted in state court. Federal authorities then built a separate case, ultimately convicting seven fired officers. It will likely be months before federal authorities complete their review of the allegations against Cates. Meanwhile, the woman who says Cates raped her has dropped out of school. She was evicted by her landlord. She is on the verge of losing custody of her brother because of her traumatized state, she said. Six months after the incident with Cates, the woman, who has never been convicted of a crime in Wisconsin, was charged with misdemeanor prostitution and possession of marijuana in connection with a Jan. 5 incident in Fond du Lac County. She has attempted suicide. Yet she is holding out hope that Cates will be held accountable for what he did. "I cry myself to sleep every night," she said. "I would like to see him get about 500 years in prison."
  15. cunt sauce

    Tea Party

    LOL. Good call.. But seeing that the typo was the only thing you commented on I'm guessing you agree with everything else? Or just don't give a shit?
  16. cunt sauce

    wikileak

    http://213.251.145.96/cable/2006/05/06TASHKENT902.html Reference ID: 06TASHKENT902 Classified By: AMB. JON R. PURNELL, FOR REASONS 1.4 (B, D) ¶1. (S) Summary: A well connected Embassy contact described a mafia chieftain's role in helping businessmen to secure GOU tenders and job applicants to "buy" government jobs. Crime boss Salim Abduvaliyev puts bidders for tenders in touch with an Iranian businessman holding British citizenship, who submits the paperwork to First Daughter Gulnora Karimova for approval. Salim works with the Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs responsible for personnel issues to arrange government jobs, agreeing on a price and then adding his own fee before selling the position. Salim has reportedly sold a wide range of Government positions, including regional Hokim, police chief, and Ministry of Internal Affairs jobs. A Presidential Adviser and a former Minister of the Interior also reportedly worked closely with Salim on job placement transactions. End summary. ¶2. (S) An Embassy contact with close connections to the families of senior GOU officials, XXXXXXXXXXXX, told Poloff that Salim often serves as a middleman in fixing GOU tenders and helping applicants obtain government jobs. Foreign investors can "win" GOU tenders by arranging them through Salim, who charges a percentage of revenues as a fee. Many job applicants have approached the contact, XXXXXXXXXXXX, asking for introductions to Salim in order to "purchase" a GOU job. (Note: Both public and private sector jobs are routinely "bought" in Uzbekistan. End note.) CONTRACT AND TENDER GRAFT ------------------------- ¶3. (S) According to the contact, Salim locates foreign and other investors interested in GOU tenders, putting them in touch with an Iranian businessman holding British citizenship. The Iranian prepares the paperwork, submitting the tender to First Daughter Gulnora Karimova for approval. (Note: According to the contact, former Deputy PM Dilbar Gulomova's son works for this Iranian. End note.) Tenders arranged through this process reportedly include the Dutch Gemka (ph) firm's railway investment in Bukhara, which required paying Salim a $700,000 fee, a Swiss/Israeli company's water project in the Tashkent region, and a Korean company's large-scale contract to provide computers to schools. GOU JOBS FOR SALE! ------------------ ¶4. (S) A man named "Abror hoja" brings job applicants to Salim, who discusses the price of the purchase and facilitates the transaction. The contact said that Salim has sold a wide range of government positions, including regional Hokim, regional police chief, and high and mid-ranking jobs at the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Salim works closely with Tursinkhan Hudaibergenov, Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs for personnel issues, to facilitate GOU job placements. Salim agrees on a price with Hudaibergenov, before adding his own fee, and selling the position at the higher price. (Note: The contact said that Salim closely cooperated in the past on such job purchase transactions with State Adviser to the President Ismail Jurabekov, and former Minister of Interior Zokir Almatov. End note.) ¶5. (S) In one example of Salim's sway over GOU personnel decisions, a regional mayor appealed to him for help retaining his job after he came under pressure to resign. The wife of Maksim Teshebaev, the mayor of Tashkent's region's Orta Chirchik district, approached Salim's wife asking for Salim's support. For the right price, Salim promised that Teshebaev would be able to retain his job. According to the contact, Salim instructed Teshebaev to make a payment to his brother, Azamjon Abduvaliyev, in order to retain the job. But after the payment was made, Salim reportedly mocked the amount of money Teshebaev offered, TASHKENT 00000902 002.2 OF 002 saying he "couldn't eat a meal" for that amount. ¶6. (S) Comment: Salim's role in securing GOU tenders and jobs sheds further light on the close connections between organized crime and the GOU (reftel). Corruption is rampant in the GOU. Tenders and government positions can be fairly easily secured by paying the right amount of money to the appropriate individual, leading to a situation in which unqualified individuals have every incentive to engage in further corrupt activity to pay off the large debts they usually incur making down payments on the jobs. PURNELL
  17. Yeah, other left wing literature such as Mein Kampf. My joshing around has nothing to do with the recent shootings, it had more to do with gun control and gun users in general. One suggestion I have for you is to develop your own ideas and get AOD's nuts out of your mouth.
  18. LOL. Sorry, I'm not a fighter, I am just an internet antagonist like yourself. I wonder what contradictory statement I could dig out of your library of previous posts, gimme a sec...
  19. cunt sauce

    Tea Party

    Holy hell my bad! I didn't reply in the other thread because I was away from electricity for a very long time and when I came back my thoughts in the discussion no longer seemed relevant.. I almost forgot about this one as well! Yeah I was drinking a little that night, as my ridiculous use of pictures suggests. Anyways, I guess I just have a different view on what capitalism really is. For example, the USSR is more capitalist than socialist in my mind, because they still compete against other countries to maximize production, the means of production are still held by the few (elite government officials) rather than by the people, and the production of material goods is still more important than living things. Socialism to me is saying, "Hey! Lets share some stuff and produce things people actually need to survive, instead of working to produce a bunch of meaningless shit that only the powerful can own while thousands in every community go without having their needs met." I agree with you that it's not only capitalism.. and I also agree with you that apathy towards coercive force is a big one too. But I think the root of the current problems in this world rests on the globalized industrial economy that is dependent upon technology and transportation infrastructure that needs to be constantly served by an ever decreasing amount of available resources. Communities that live above (oil) or around (timber) resources don't typically let rich countries have these resources until their community has been destroyed. We call this War (if there is a nation opposed to it) and we call it genocide or expropriation (if the Government represents transnational corporate interests instead of its own people). (note: if you feel like it, read into what's been going on in the Nigerian Delta's http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2007/02/nigerian-oil/oneill-text) Before industrialized society, I would say that the root of all the worlds problems were caused by... well.. civilization and intensive agriculture, which is also dependent upon the importation of resources. Cities could not grow and would collapse very quickly without the siphoning of wealth and resources from areas around them. Economies that require expansion and growth will never be sustainable on a finite planet. I hate to get extremely tellurian-esque but humanity won't be here for many more generations unless something changes on a fundamental scale.
  20. I think the government should subsidize the gun industry even further, so then EVERYONE can afford one, instead of just gangsters, police departments and rich boys like AOD. Ask yourself... Would a rational, working class person spend $5000 on a state of the art Assault Rifle? Hell NO! The only working class person who would spend that kind of hard earned money is the crazy, paranoid, delusional radical right wing nutjobs... On paper I support community based militias over standing armies centrally ruled by the government any day of the week. But in the real world it seems that the only people that really want to assemble these militias are the radical, usually racist, off-kilter, misguided, uneducated, post-right wing conservative nutjobs.
  21. This has got to be an illogical fallacy... Appeal to the hatred of hipsters fallacy, HA! You need to work on these, because it hurts your argument, and makes your words less credible. Other than that, cheers.... you fucking capitalist. :p
  22. AOD: The man you claim puts all blame on the rich and not the government is actually an anarchist. I have read a few of his books and I will say that a common thesis that appears over and over is that there is a revolving door between industry and politics. He also thinks that the main purpose of government isn't to provide security to its nation, but instead to maximize production and facilitate resource extraction. To go further with what you were saying: Millions of more people have been killed by bombs dropped from above by governments than by guns thrown at the waist by anarchists. Also, we look at the 3,000 deaths on 9/11/2001 as some huge atrocity. The World Trade buildings fall and this is bad... Yet 500,000 children die in poor countries every year as a result of debt repayment to the WTO and IMF and this is looked at as inevitable or just "part of the game" that we call the global economy. None of this shit would happen without the centralized power of governments which trickles down to the centralized power of the financial elite.
  23. Thanks for taking the time to do that. Yeah, the ethnography I read a bit ago was from the late 70's, and it appears now they have become much more stingy. What you argue about "the larger numbers in in the society the less robust an altruistic system becomes" is true and has been covered extensively in cultural anthropology. Yes generalized reciprocity only really works in smaller communities, but the point I was really trying to make to KMART was that you can't generalize the entire human species by looking at just one culture. Generalizations can only be made through cross-cultural and comparative studies. Marx argued that you can not change an economic system without changing the culture. The Apache were an egalitarian culture before they acquired guns, horses and started hunting buffalo in the Great Plains of America. Once their economic system changed they stopped worshiping female deities based upon the land and started worshiping male warrior gods. Furthermore, they became brutally patriarchal to the point where they treated their horses better than "their" women. Where do you stand? Do you think the Capitalist economic system based upon self interest and competition is the only economic system that could manifest from a culture of greedy people? Or do you think our culture of competition, self interest and greed is a manifestation of the capitalist economic system? (note: I am in no way condoning state socialism, communism etc. I happen to dislike any centralized power or economic system based upon production, consumption and competition with ourselves and other nations. Call me a libertarian socialist or perhaps a borderline anarchist..)
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