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DIGITAL VIDEO AND FILMMAKING

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by KaBar2, Jul 13, 2003.

  1. KaBar2

    KaBar2 Senior Member

    Joined: Jun 27, 2003 Messages: 2,126 Likes Received: 64
    Since I finished my screenplay, I've done a lot of reading about digital video. There's a lot of debate about it, but I think DV is hot shit. I figure that within 10 years, regular emulsion film moviemaking will be about as "current" as silent film is now--kind of old fashioned and quaint.

    I want to shoot my film with DV, because it is very inexpensive compared to shooting film. Even Super16 costs about $40 per hundred feet of film, and processing adds up. Shooting in DV, then blowing it up to a full 35mm for film festivals is definately the way to go for an indie, in my opinion.

    Does anybody here have indie experience, and/or film school experience?

    What are some of the best DV cameras?

    What's the best? Middle-of-the-road? Low end/ best-cheapest?

    I also considered shooting it in 16mm, using the grainy, documentary style as part of the movie (al la "Blair Witch Project") and going "guerrilla filmmaker", without permission, etc., etc. I have some great locations, all here in the Houston area, and I'm looking for a crew, for actors etc. kind of half-heartedly, because the script is still being edited by a college instructor buddy of mine.

    A guy told me that the Canon XL-1 is the hot shit guerrilla camera.

    Opinions?
     
  2. Obvious

    Obvious Banned

    Joined: Jul 12, 2003 Messages: 1,661 Likes Received: 0
    i suggest the following:

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    [img]http://vered.rose.utoronto.ca/tnt/news/pride02-1-twonie/image/aut_0063.jpg'>
     
  3. mr_president

    mr_president Banned

    Joined: Nov 19, 2002 Messages: 5,691 Likes Received: 0
    please believe i should be the main character! :D

    or maybe an extra in the background....

    youve got mail as well.

    and i to want to write a screen play, that would be tight... you could drop a breif description about yours in my email when you reply if you want/trust me or whatever, id like to get an idea...

    good luck buddy...
     
  4. -Rage-

    -Rage- 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Apr 12, 2001 Messages: 10,006 Likes Received: 27
    DV -> Film = poop.

    Ugly grainy look. I hate that.
     
  5. KaBar2

    KaBar2 Senior Member

    Joined: Jun 27, 2003 Messages: 2,126 Likes Received: 64
    Yeah, but Rage. . .

    DV camera + online editing = a minute fraction of the cost of Super16.

    I could make my film for about $10,000, I think, including equipment, food, etc., etc. The people that invested in indie films like Blair Witch Project made thousands of dollars back on their investment.

    There's a big debate right now about whether or not to try and "make DV look like 35mm." The older guys who cut their teeth on 35mm films love the $$$ of DV, but they hate the look. The younger guys in Hollywood love DV because of the unlimited special effects and editing possibilities (go see "Spy Kids"--all done in the computer), and the real DV digital outlaws and guerrilla filmmakers are like "Hey, it looks fine--the question is does it transcend the limitations of the medium?"

    I guess a minimum shooting budget in 35mm would be around $400,000. Ain't nobody going to give that kind of money to somebody like me. But for the price of a decent used pick-up truck, I'm in the movie business! At least, I'm in the filmmaking business. Getting it distributed is another whole deal.
    One film student I met online says "Shoot pornos--they always make a profit--and then you can use the exact same cameras, crews and everything to shoot your own projects." Shit, cool idea.

    (No, I'm not taking any volunteers for any pornos, so just forget it, LOL.)
     
  6. mr_president

    mr_president Banned

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    kabar you should adopt me man... for reals.

    :D
     
  7. elephant

    elephant New Jack

    Joined: Jun 30, 2003 Messages: 5 Likes Received: 0
    check your mail kabar
     
  8. KaBar2

    KaBar2 Senior Member

    Joined: Jun 27, 2003 Messages: 2,126 Likes Received: 64
    Start saving up your bucks, Tease. You can get a FIRST CLASS used DV camera for about $3,000. Brand new, a Canon GL-1 is only about $2,500. That's dirt cheap. A XL-1 with all the bells and whistles is about $3,700. And a Panasonic AG-DVX-100 around $7,000, I think.

    The really expensive shit is all the stuff that goes with it. Look up your local university and see if they have a film school or a radio-TV-film program. Here in Texas, we have a bunch. University of Houston has a good program. UT at Austin has a Hollywood level program, with sound stages, full post-production, the works. There are 75 video production companies in Austin.
    I wanna go. I don't wanna stay here and work hard. Working hard sucks a great big dick.

    If you go to a film school, you could use all their shit to make your own movies. Hell, yeah.
     
  9. mr_president

    mr_president Banned

    Joined: Nov 19, 2002 Messages: 5,691 Likes Received: 0
    ive made two amatuer pornos....

    please believe i got skills with the camera!

    ;)
     
  10. KaBar2

    KaBar2 Senior Member

    Joined: Jun 27, 2003 Messages: 2,126 Likes Received: 64
    Don't Tell Me--It's probably some kind of felony

    Tease--Yo, underage homemade pornos + old guys = Federal prison sentence, LOL. No thanks, but let's talk about shooting regular movies, seriously. But no pornos, okay?

    Hey, ELEPHANT--I did not get any email, neither in my hotmail account or any 12 oz. PM's. What's the deal? I closed my AOL account, and put in a DSL. It's fast as lightning.

    [email protected]
     
  11. -Rage-

    -Rage- 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Apr 12, 2001 Messages: 10,006 Likes Received: 27
    Re: Yeah, but Rage. . .

    Yea, Robert Rodriguez has some skills. Ever seen El Mariachi? It was his first film at the age of 23.

    He gathered $7,000, wrote his scrpit, directed and edited the film on 16mm.

    The coolest part is that he recorded ALL audio with a handheld cassette recorder and mic.



    So, good luck with whatever you do bro. If you want a place to screen it, in any format; 35mm, 16mm, DV, etc., I have a theater.

    :D
     
  12. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    i'm about 2-3 months from camera access heaven, then
    it is SOOOOO on it will be ridiculous. my problem is i
    need shit NOW, i hate waiting to get ideas and things out
    of my system.

    kabar, an idea might be to look into a film co-op or
    something..usually mid-large cities have one where you
    pay some membership fees and in return have access
    to practically most of what you would need. surely
    you could parlay something from that, either through
    the equipment potential, or just talking with the nerds
    that hang out there.
     
  13. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    also, membership fees for film co-ops, as far as i know, should be/are
    fairly reasonable..especially if you take it as an investment
    type of angle. i could be wrong but i'd say it's worth reconnoitering.
     
  14. chicken bone

    chicken bone Guest

    BROWNER! You never replied to my mail a while back? Por que?
     
  15. elephant

    elephant New Jack

    Joined: Jun 30, 2003 Messages: 5 Likes Received: 0
    OK Kabar I sent another email.
     
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