russell jones Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 This site is great http://world.std.com/~mhuben/faq.html#strat It is part of a larger site that critiques Libertarianism. I especially like the part about Libertarian evangelicalism. For a great example, check out the rebuttal to the libertarian argument that taxation is theft. " Taxation is theft. Two simple rebuttals to this take widely different approaches. The first is that property is theft. The notion behind property is that A declares something to be property, and threatens anybody who still wants to use it. Where does A get the right to forcibly stop others from using it? Arguments about "mixing of labor" with the resource as a basis for ownership boil down to "first-come-first-served". This criticism is even accepted by some libertarians, and is favorably viewed by David Friedman. This justifies property taxes or extraction taxes on land or extractable resources if you presume that the government is a holder in trust for natural resources. (However, most people who question the creation of property would agree that after the creation of property, a person is entitled to his earnings. Thus the second argument) The second is that taxation is part of a social contract. Essentially, tax is payment in exchange for services from government. This kind of argument is suitable for defending almost any tax as part of a contract. Many libertarians accept social contract (for example, essentially all minarchists must to insist on a monopoly of government.) Of course they differ as to what should be IN the contract. " Of course this argument is very concise at best, and perhaps simplistic at worst, but undeniably effective. Or is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 we should talk about the brown's. ed and elaine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.crooked Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 haha. i tried the whole social contract bit a long while ago on him. he didnt go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell jones Posted June 15, 2007 Author Share Posted June 15, 2007 Yeah, in the past I have tried some of the methods in the article, and usually that's the end of the conversation. It's difficult to get a fundamentalist to be flexible. To be fair though, AOD is way better informed than most people who expound his philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.crooked Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 oh to be sure. it has never been a question of his intelligence, just his views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 shit guys, i liked it better when everyone was praising ron paul ! i read some of this page and any clear minded patriot can counter all arguments pretty easily. but then again, if someone is going to take the time to argue with a clear minded patriot with material espoused on that site, no ones opinion is going to change. you trying to hook up and head to NH with randy weaver, casek? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.crooked Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 i never been on ron paul's tip. anywho, How is everyone? Not to randomly turn this into a social thread in crossfire. I am just way too stoned for anything academic right now. I got off work early, and it is awesome. Especially since I quit today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell jones Posted June 17, 2007 Author Share Posted June 17, 2007 All good decisions are made with forethought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.crooked Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 there was tons of forethought in quitting. the job blew and the business was shady. no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Fuentes Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 Browns To Hold National Press Conference thieves?....well,if u dont want to pay taxes and they threaten u with killing you,those are thieves. on which side are yall on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.crooked Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 im not even gonna get into this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell jones Posted June 19, 2007 Author Share Posted June 19, 2007 there was tons of forethought in quitting. the job blew and the business was shady. no thanks. Oops, actually I meant to say that all good decisions are made without forethought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Fuentes Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Press Conference at Brown Residence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell jones Posted June 19, 2007 Author Share Posted June 19, 2007 Press Conference at Brown Residence Relevance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WORDISM45 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Press Conference at Brown Residence damn they were doing so well until he had to bring up freemasonry. Now they can just be laughed at by everyoen as conspircy theorists and no one will have to bother lsitening to what theyre standing for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 yeah, you notice how elaine told him to shut up about that? she mumbled something, im guessing that is what she was saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WORDISM45 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 yeah i did notice thta it was pretty funny, she seems to be the brains behind the operation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell jones Posted June 25, 2007 Author Share Posted June 25, 2007 i read some of this page and any clear minded patriot can counter all arguments pretty easily. Ok, please do. How about starting with the argument in my first post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 "but then again, if someone is going to take the time to argue with a clear minded patriot with material espoused on that site, no ones opinion is going to change. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell jones Posted June 26, 2007 Author Share Posted June 26, 2007 in other words, you are copping out. How did Libertarians get a monopoly on patriotism anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell jones Posted June 29, 2007 Author Share Posted June 29, 2007 just blowing out the tumbleweeds in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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