Nutonce Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 Listen. Im not in Africa, but I dont have to be. Nobody will do anything for Africa, because nobody cares. This is saddening, seeing how they make the HIV crisis in Africa into a circus with Bono and Brad Pitt and every other moron with enough cash to travel to Africa frequently. Bush and Blair "discuss" funds for Africa blah blah blah. This is all bullshit. I am tired of being hyped up and lied to about what "is being discussed" or "scheduled to be accomplished". Its bullshit, if your not going to help, dont front. And your not helping until things fucking change. And all this shit on the news confirms my thoughts, nothing is happening. By the way did Bush ever reflect on Sudan and the amount of genocide? Or the wars going on in the continent period? Fuck you Bush, and anyone ignorant enough not to care. Who cares about the Africans? Well, this is America right, it aint Africa, so people dont care. And you wonder why blacks act how they act. Even our own people hate on us so thats double the burden. Imagine how things would be if we had a leader such as Malcolm X or Huey Newton in todays world. Someone who really cared for his people. Now we have people like 50 cent and Puff among other numbnuts attempting to convince us to vote and be political. Thats a formula for disaster. Yeah right puff like you really give a fuck about who is in office, your rich. It is disturbing actually, the people who kids and adults also look up to are so fucking ignorant, uninformed, and whatever other negative word you would like to use(which makes the admirer the same way, gradually or instantly), that those same people dont know what it is to elevate yourself and be a better person, a model citizen with purpose and solid, rational beliefs. Everyone wants to be a thug, which will benefit you in no way at all.. fuck the street because the street doesnt love you, there is a whole different side of life that these people dont even choose to realize. A person like Huey or Malcolm would make people understand. If you dont understand me, you just dont understand me. My position is rock solid, and not only do I simply not like what I see,I know it is wrong on all aspects of the totem pole. And Im not completely innocent, Ive had my share of regretful situations, but as a person I have matured. TRUE STORY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutonce Posted June 9, 2005 Author Share Posted June 9, 2005 Furthermore, many of my people are ignorant to the benefits of education and I realize a thread about it in 12oz aint helping but fuck it nobody else on this site says it so I'll be the nigga to expose niggas. because i learned. understand, you are not born to be a rapper. you are not dame dash or puff or jay z. stop fooling yourself, just go to school. be smart. all you have to do is use your brain, i guess that is too hard to ask. you cant smoke weed, drink, hustle, pop cannons and fuck bitches raw ALL your life. thats not what shit is about, nigga. wake up, all you hear niggaz saying is, whiteboys got this because hes white. no. a majority of the whiteboys ive encountered went to school like the rest of their friends. its simply how you do it in america, you go to school, unless you are lucky, most are not. dont be outrageous. nigga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POIESIS Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 trilateral commission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POIESIS Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 nigga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POIESIS Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 you've got bryant gumble..i mean....he's no malcolm x..but.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POIESIS Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 this just in: 22 ethiopian demonstrators killed in clashes with police in addis abbas. they were protesting the ruling party's legitimacy in the recent general elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutonce Posted June 9, 2005 Author Share Posted June 9, 2005 yeah thats harsh fuck b. gumble. im serious though. imagine what things woulod be like for blacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POIESIS Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 also, mugabe has been checked into a hospital OR he has died of a heart attack..but it's just a runour for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutonce Posted June 9, 2005 Author Share Posted June 9, 2005 this just in: everyday occurance. thats how things are run in Africa. roll with the power or die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POIESIS Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 yes. fortunately it's not all extreme's, but i hear ya. my sister is in namibia right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 if celebreties wanna get in on causes, so the fuck what? at least someone is paying attention, right?!?! fuckin A. oprah has done quite a bit for the african health crisis as has bill gates i know some people have a hard time giving any credit to the rich and famous but i say good for them, at least people are paying money and attention to the problem. if it takes celebrities to bring these crisis to the attention of the world, so be it after all, you are not going to africa on some mission. one only has to google "volunteer in africa" to get plenty of oppurtunities. http://www.volunteerafrica.org/ http://www.iicd-volunteer.org/ http://www.unitedplanet.org/quest/quests/kenya.htm http://www.transitionsabroad.com/listings/...amsafrica.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJackDaniels Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 live8!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KING BLING Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 I am pretty liberal, and I do indeed think we need too do much more to not only assist in life threatening issues such as AIDS and starvation but also in fostering stronger governments. Damn though , they're fucked and I give up. The governments there are corrupt or crazy as hell (my favorite is Mugabe), the people are all about civil strife and war over whatever. Wars there is about machettes and raping 10 year olds more than I've read anywhere else. Education is mostly private through out Africa, which we could help with I guess, but it leads to a lot of not so brainy people who live in squalor and react to this very ignorance with either fear or easily manipulated violence. http://www.zimbabwesituation.com/jun7_2005.html#link1 ^^^ Look at Zimbabwe, white owners controled the land which I agree is fucked up over all. Mugabe wins a revolution and takes power promising to hand over the land to the people - sounds great! What instead happens is that his troops get these huge chunks of plush farm land they don't know how to cultevate and the country is always on the verge of starvation. Now he is destroying slum neighbrohoods and other politically targeted property, burning them down and bull dozing them in an attempt to move people back into the country and remove "rubbish" meaning poor people or white people - wtf and ytf? http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/a/aids-virgins.htm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1703595.stm http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/babyrape.htm ^^^ And now, lets talk rape. I mean South Africa has ridiculous rapes, especially of children. The above articles speak to that, the number of children under 11 raped is half of ALL rapes in the U.S while the total rapes are 3 times the ammount here. Remember those infants getting raped to cure AIDS? Check those links... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...4-2004Sep9.html ^^^ Last but not least lets talk Genocide, namely in Sudan. Yeah, we do have enough money to help, yeah we should have done something in Rawanda and Sudan - but WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE OTHER COUNTRIES ON THIS? I mean, you have a county that is bordered by 10 countries, lets step up our game there African Union - hey Egypt and Saudi Arabia (neighbors) get your Muslim brothers in the Janjaweed to stop killing people... I don't hear about African revolutions that end with a promise of hope, they all go to shit and the dumb ass population either hacks off a few thousand arms than goes back to working in the market or they get into infinate war such as in the Congo - so I remain sympathetic to the trapped and abused, but really Africa is hopeless... *Rant ended* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Africa is not hopeless..... Very fucked, yes, but not hopeless. There are some progressive movements, like the pan african union and a regional trade bloc being formed. More independence. It will take time but they are on the right track finally. It does not help that it was colonized for so many hundreds of years, and suffered many proxy wars during the cold war, and even still suffers from opportunistic corporations and private armies. It has only recently become independent. There is always an initial turmoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 seriously if you want to help, do something. get involved in a private organization, and stop saying "fuck america, fuck bush blah blah." it should not be the US governments job to give hand outs. let the private sector do it. its should not be the US;s job to give foreign aid, be the world police, promote welfare states, and create government dependence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 Originally posted by angelofdeath@Jun 10 2005, 04:42 PM seriously if you want to help, do something. get involved in a private organization, and stop saying "fuck america, fuck bush blah blah." it should not be the US governments job to give hand outs. let the private sector do it. its should not be the US;s job to give foreign aid, be the world police, promote welfare states, and create government dependence. Quoted post Are you suggesting that there is actually a difference between the government and the private sector these days? What with all of these CEOs in public office... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CACashRefund Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 Africa is full of niggers. Seriously the reason they dont want to help africa is because if they help that whole continent overcome the poverty, disease, and shit. Then African continent has the potential to overtake almost any region on earth. Africa has immense natural resources, and people. The problem is that the whole continent is so exploited and rife with internal unrest that it cant get on its feet by itself. If other nations start to help africa overcome the problems it faces then ALOT of nations stand to lose a considerable amount of money. And that just is not going to work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mentor Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 R.I.P. malcolm x somebody said "seriously if you want to help, do something. get involved in a private organization, and stop saying "fuck america, fuck bush blah blah." it should not be the US governments job to give hand outs. let the private sector do it. its should not be the US;s job to give foreign aid, be the world police, promote welfare states, and create government dependence." so the US government can just rape a culture of people for huge profits (bush has also) and then we cant even say fuck that?...fuck bush and this shitty ass corporate government....research the motherfucking ties politicians have with commerce....were fucked here.....not as fucked as africa but damn..... its really sad but not hopeless....because theyre people like us talking about it....getting fed up....in the next few weeks me and some friends of mine plan on building awareness to the politicians trying to rid us of pbs and national public radio.....NPR is the most informing radio people who think like we do have.....so its important we protect that....they speak about whats going on all over the world....it isnt so egotistical as to only speak about american issues as if america is the only land with real people....here is the petition to save it....follow the instructions and email it to others On NPR's Morning Edition, Nina Tottenberg announced that if the Supreme Court supports Congress, it will, in effect, be the end of the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts (NEA), and the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). 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angelofdeath Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 i'll say it again, it is not the governments job to give hand outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Originally posted by angelofdeath@Jun 11 2005, 03:10 PM i'll say it again, it is not the governments job to give hand outs. Quoted post Oh but it's okay for the government to grant subsidies to oil companies (even though they are racking in record profits) and subsidies for agriculture (most of which go to giant corpo-farms and not the average person)... This administration is not cutting handouts. It's just cutting handouts where it really matters and instead lining the coffers of the filthy rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mentor Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 villain.....that was ill....thank you....sums it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Originally posted by villain+Jun 11 2005, 11:59 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (villain - Jun 11 2005, 11:59 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-angelofdeath@Jun 11 2005, 03:10 PM i'll say it again, it is not the governments job to give hand outs. Quoted post Oh but it's okay for the government to grant subsidies to oil companies (even though they are racking in record profits) and subsidies for agriculture (most of which go to giant corpo-farms and not the average person)... This administration is not cutting handouts. It's just cutting handouts where it really matters and instead lining the coffers of the filthy rich. Quoted post [/b] no dude, its not the job to give hand outs period. you cant pull you little liberal type arguments with me, im against not only foreign aid but most government programs period. abolish the welfare state, social security, government healthcare to civilians, etc etc. screw big government. get rid of all the dozens of "departments" that are worthless. as for agriculture, we have had a 2/3 decline in farming since 1900, and since the 70's we have tripled our ag department spending. FUCK THAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Originally posted by angelofdeath@Jun 12 2005, 09:35 AM no dude, its not the job to give hand outs period. you cant pull you little liberal type arguments with me, im against not only foreign aid but most government programs period. abolish the welfare state, social security, government healthcare to civilians, etc etc. screw big government. get rid of all the dozens of "departments" that are worthless. as for agriculture, we have had a 2/3 decline in farming since 1900, and since the 70's we have tripled our ag department spending. FUCK THAT. Quoted post Alright... I was just testing your bias on this issue.... since most people are hypocritcal when they say they want to cut government spending. Since you want government so small.... what then, to you, is the purpose of government, if not to provide for the welfare and safety of it's people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Originally posted by villain+Jun 12 2005, 09:38 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (villain - Jun 12 2005, 09:38 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-angelofdeath@Jun 12 2005, 09:35 AM no dude, its not the job to give hand outs period. you cant pull you little liberal type arguments with me, im against not only foreign aid but most government programs period. abolish the welfare state, social security, government healthcare to civilians, etc etc. screw big government. get rid of all the dozens of "departments" that are worthless. as for agriculture, we have had a 2/3 decline in farming since 1900, and since the 70's we have tripled our ag department spending. FUCK THAT. Quoted post Alright... I was just testing your bias on this issue.... since most people are hypocritcal when they say they want to cut government spending. Since you want government so small.... what then, to you, is the purpose of government, if not to provide for the welfare and safety of it's people? Quoted post [/b] very good question villian, i suggest for starters, im sure you already have, but, read the constitution. it tells you everything. who knows maybe i missed that part that promises socialist institutions and government dependence for everyone. :innocent: "since most people are hypocritcal when they say they want to cut government spending. " understood. this is a problem with your typical neo-conservative. one thing i am all for government spending on is for defense. however, we have a new homeland security department, but what the fuck is the purpose of this department when we have a department of defense? makes no sense. this sorta thing is what people over look when they look at the people who were anti civil rights bills. granted a shit load of the opponents of civil rights legislation were flat out racist and played on what people wanted to hear, it is glossed over that they voted against EVERY other bill to expand the federal government. just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Originally posted by angelofdeath+Jun 12 2005, 10:02 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (angelofdeath - Jun 12 2005, 10:02 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>very good question villian, i suggest for starters, im sure you already have, but, read the constitution. it tells you everything. who knows maybe i missed that part that promises socialist institutions and government dependence for everyone. :innocent: [/b] You are right, I have read our constitution. I think it's a very profound and enlightened document, and I have great respect for it. But for the most part, it lays out an ideology. It does little in the way of implementing this ideology in actual working law. The founding fathers purposely made the language vague so that the laws to be interpreted from the constitution could change and adapt according to the needs of the time. It's a very forward looking document, and I don't think it's meant to be the only document as I think is what you are implying. Originally posted by angelofdeath@Jun 12 2005, 10:02 AM understood. this is a problem with your typical neo-conservative. one thing i am all for government spending on is for defense. however, we have a new homeland security department, but what the fuck is the purpose of this department when we have a department of defense? makes no sense. Agreed. Opponents of the bill were skeptical as to whether another layer of beauracracy would help or hurt us more. I think you will find that there were debates of this nature on both sides of the isle, from both republicans and democrats. It seems that it is only when dealing with defense that our government, both republican and democrat, do their jobs as they are supposed to, debating all sides of an issue and carefully weighing the possibilities. Usually, but not always. Sometimes it's just a matter of a party getting "their" bill passed, since it contains the pork barrels stacked the way they want. <!--QuoteBegin-angelofdeath@Jun 12 2005, 10:02 AM this sorta thing is what people over look when they look at the people who were anti civil rights bills. granted a shit load of the opponents of civil rights legislation were flat out racist and played on what people wanted to hear, it is glossed over that they voted against EVERY other bill to expand the federal government. just a thought. Quoted post I think you may be suffering from a mythology here. The Democrat and Republican parties were very different parties prior to the civil rights act. They were not beholden to the ideologies they espouse today. As you can see from the following quote the republican party was very much anti-federalist. "We are all republicans--we are all federalists," Thomas Jefferson told the American people in his first inaugural address. A "President above Parties" who believed factionalism jeopardized the safety and security of republican government, Jefferson was here setting forth the common principles shared by all patriotic Americans. Jefferson's election--the "Revolution of 1800"--would, he confidently predicted, put an end to the frenzied, hysterical party struggles in the 1790s. Moderate Federalists who had voted for John Adams would soon see the errors of their ways. But "if there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it." In contrast to the Adams Federalists, who had sought to suppress their opponents with the Alien and Sedition Acts and had instead spurred Jeffersonian-Republicans on toward their electoral revolution--Jefferson would allow his critics to discredit and disgrace themselves before the sovereign people. One consequence of the civil rights act was that it pushed racists out of the democratic party and into the republican. Adopting federalist ideolgy in this context (federalism is not bad in itself, but I doubt the purity of the motives of the current republican party for the most part) can be seen as a way of superceding federal protections for the equality of races on a state by state basis (the likely result being the old north/south division), since trying to roll back the civil rights act on a national level would likely result in another civil war. I could be wrong, but this is definitely the impression I get from the current republican party's advocacy of federalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJackDaniels Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 you dont need to worry about handouts. african debt repayments have been scrapped since yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIZZaBcfly Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Originally posted by MrJackDaniels@Jun 12 2005, 04:38 PM african debt repayments have been scrapped since yesterday. Quoted post eh..no not really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 "One consequence of the civil rights act was that it pushed racists out of the democratic party and into the republican." villian, i think you are both right and wrong. the civil rights acts, not just the THE civil rights act of 1964, or the voting act, but say even events that happened in the 40s and before, are very complex. you cant just label the 2 parties of one ideology of their own. i hear it all the time. republicans are racist. over 90% of congressional republicans supported the civil rights acts. FDR did nothing for civil rights. different wings of the 2 parties existed. there was still liberals in the democratic party, as well as liberals or rockefeller republicans in that party. most of the old hardcore pro segregation politicians were democrats. the southern democrats were as conservative or more conservative than the traditional conservative party, the GOP. the reason the civil rights acts forced alot of the southern democrats to the republicans, was because of one movement in the republican party during this time, Barry Goldwater. this guy is about the most anti federal government power guy, ever. im not for one second denying that the old southern democrats who preached segregation forever, werent racist, however, you got to realize that not only did they vote against the civil rights laws, they voted against most other federal expansion. the more power they get, the more control. the republican party, was to the south, the party of lincoln. the yankee party. they would not vote for them. they used the democratic solid stronghold to discredit black votes after reconstruction, and get the yanks out of the south. it took many many years to get people to move to the republican party. i still hear my grandparents talking about how they cant beleive they voted for reagan. a republican. the history of 2 parties is quite complex. for instance the reason why FDR is so great is because of his new deal. you never hear anyone talk shit on him for not pushing for civil rights laws. the reason why he didnt push for it, was because of his southern support. he was a pussy on the issue. if he would of set his platform to include civil rights laws, he would of lost the south. take for instance truman, he lost the south, he won however. mainly because of the 3rd party split when the southern democrats walked out in '48 and formed the states rights democratic party. as for the civil rights laws themselves, this is an example when the use of thier power was needed. the states rights concept wasnt flying for equality under the law. the whole segregation thing was an adaptation of the blacks being slaves, and no one knew how to deal with them. lincoln himself when asked what to do with the free blacks...."deport them." the north had just as much hatred and racism for them as the south. segregation in the north was as bad as the south. the blame goes all around. after the civil war, laws forbid blacks to settle in northern cities. state constitutions wouldnt allow free blacks to settle there. west virginia had a clause in there forbidding blacks to live in the state, yet they "seceded" from the state of virginia to join the union. so much for the northern good guys vs the bigots from dixie. you should get ahold of "the dixiecrat revolt" and "the rise of southern republicans" for more on this, man. its mostly boring reading, but the info is in there. its super complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaBar2 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Since I've been coming to 12 oz. (which is what, about three or four years? Something like that) this is about the tenth time we have re-hashed this same topic. Has anybody changed their views on this at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mentor Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 quick question.....so lets say we just kick all government programs to the curb.....boot....what exactly do we do about the huge corporate advantage over most every aspect of our daily routine?....lets say we do still continue giving trillions of dollars into defense programs, do we continue to allow these departments to be run by billionares like the current administration who obviously have vested intrest and pasts making fortunes from wars?.....i just dont see why everyone believes we should just keep throwing money into this military industrial complex.....billions are wasted and the companies wasting them are charging ridiculous amounts of dough to do it.....we stockpile nukes like we'll ever use them....we have enough allready to destroy all life on the planet(except for roaches)...so its just an excuse to launder tax payer money into corporate pockets...abolish welfare for the poor? why?....why not just abolish welfare for the rich?...we give corporations like 5 times as much as we do the poor....but you dont hear anyone complaining about that other than those crazy liberals....conservative people seem to be concerned only with abolishing programs that help those in poverty and dont give a damn about those that help big buisnesses like the prison and military industries....i just dont see how that would help anyone other than the elite class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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