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KOH i have things to say about your latest piece as well as others, its been a slightly more taxing day at work... but i will. I feel bad in that i have been ultra uninspired to make any work lately, or at least work that is appropriate for a thread such as this; so being critical and not also participating with work atr a decent level makes me feel douche-like. so Im guilty of opinions and no work.
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i agree with mams, about disagree with heav.
i am at work working on my landscape.
8 layers of the same color.
this is going to photograph terribly.
to be clear i did state i might have over croppedededed...
to me the space at top and space at bottom is almost equidistant thus is neutralizes some bang IMO.
*** starting the excuse train before the piece is even done is wackola son.
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landscape, nice; def the stronger of the three.
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Nice one Lox!.
Here's mine.
I spent a few hours drawing Joker rip-off's and feeling frustrated. I think the reason why I stoped even doing "abstract" stuff was because there was so little of it then in the graf world and what there was I was staring at all day long. It got stale and repetitive. So......int to trash they went.
I thought since we were discussing going outside of graffiti for influences, and also the journey of abstracting a previously established form I used my particular graffiti lettering style, and for inspiration I've been all about 1940's and 50's animation lately and have collected a few books on the subject. I some Be-BBop Jazz on the turntable, and spent a few hours just soaking up a few particular artists work, and then reading about them and the people and things that influenced them.
I realise this isn't all that "abstract" but I think it would be immature and irresponsible to try to achieve the finish product in an abstraction style the first go around. I thought that since it's an exercise, why not take those first few steps into something that could actually be. By basing it off of my version of a particular established regional style I had a solid foundation to abstract. By not looking at graff as the inspiration I had something else here as gas for my engine.
I used Three different sized brushes for different effects like the thin, dotted lines in lots of the backgrounds of the UPA toons. For paint I used latex house paint, all of which were mistints with the exception of the black and red which are pantiers touch bucket latex. Also i used pieces of foam brushes as sponges to get a bit of that sponge brush background look on the early UPA cartoons.
I hope you guys like it.I had fun.
Normally I am a huge fan of KOH. however this piece to me reads as unilaterally applying what you know (line) to something your less familiar with (absract form).
theres a strange mix of stuff going on in this piece...
- the tattoo influence- the pointillist style of shading
- southwestern feel of the yellow- reads like adobe work/glaze to me.
- the over all low contrast and grey value
- Heavy black border, of inconsistent width.
- materials
and yet they all are things that are well with in your comfort zone they combine into a semi
predictable product.
Id like to see you work with a SHIT brush (bristles stick all which-a-way, from aggressive use and
poor up keep) and non sharpened pencils. IN many ways this piece suffers from the opposite pitfalls as
Harveys pieces; your over controlling your work. Which is cool and needed for most of what you do,
tattoos and really anal line drawings, that are awesome btw. this piece however seems to have gotten
away from you in the number of competing elements that dont resolve into a harmonious piece or into
enough of a conflict to start a good internal dialog with in the elements themselves.
in the end to me your ability to work abstractly is gonna center around your ability to relinquish
control for a bit and allow your pieces to speak back to you in a creative dialog instead of forcing
your will on it. Even your list of materials seems overly controlled; sort of like you pre-decided
those were the things the would allow you to create an abstract work. Control control control. Let
go luke.
- the tattoo influence- the pointillist style of shading
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I think both of these images fall victim to the same thing, which many many of us are also victimized
by, material seduction. Wood grain, Cracked and weathered surfaces, drips.
TO me the first piece you posted is the stronger of the two; but still kinda of weak, or restrained or
something. The material seduction is a trap that stops you from controlling your picture; the natural
material is so strong that you don't want to ruin it my adding to it so you hold back. In these cases,
ether choose materials you hold less dear or fearlessly destroy the piece of wood, in hopes or
emerging on the other side with a 'new' thing you've made. Drag it through the gravel, beat it with a
hammer, or otherwise own the canvas. Treating it as a precious object to start with, will always take
over the piece and you will end up with a piece of wood with something you stamped on top; instead
of a well integrated piece you created. Does that make sense?
I like the direction of the black line work. The line weight could vary a bit more. And i think that after
the initial line starts (i read it from the bottom left) the line then turns in to predictable fake script;
not enough variation in interacting the top and bottom of the wood. the black becomes centered and
contrived. the black dots read similarly, as well as the orange drips.
It may serve this kind of piece well to work via a process of chaos control and element removal. There
are few people, with in the context of this site, joker and BOBOjingles come pretty close, who can
work via a process of controlled addition. That is their images appear to start from nothing and end
with just enough; their pictures work with a sense of efficiency very controlled use of materials; theres
jsut enough of everything. The rest of us can achieve the same thing via the opposite approach. put
EVERYTHING you have onto/into the canvas. Then create your picture through the process of removing
the bits that don't belong. In many ways this becomes a process of negotiation. building up and areas
while destroying other areas.
The Timber piece i like less theres a false tension by the lines approaching the edge but not breaking
it. I dont see a clear reason for the line work to start and stop where it does. and again it reads as a
piece wood and line drawing instead of one piece.
*****edited into more readable paragraphs
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this has received a lot of positive feed back; I feel like its placement within the picture plane makes
this a less interesting piece then it could be if say the if the picture were framed or the work was a
little less Centered.
I TRIED TO CROP IT TO SHOW MY THINKING.
with the cropped image to me the external shapes created by the lines, quartering the page become
more exciting and visually dynamic. However it also creates slightly suffocating and locked in areas,
that could be alleviated by breaking some of the line work; so not a continuous line and or by varying
the line weight more.
At the top i cropped the image so the edge isn't broken but its close enough to divide the top of the
picture in to two pieces while also creating a greater level of tension between the line and edge.
this top space, along with my suggestion of breaking the lines a bit allows for alternative visual
navigation. That is to say it would allow the viewers eyes to move through the image by both
following the lines and by moving in and out of the spaces created by the lines. And with the addition
of well place gaps the eye would be able to move more fluidly through the piece instead of hitting the
line like a wall and having to back up and find an alternate route through the picture.
I like the use of transparency where the orange overlaps the blue. that being said everything else sort
of sits on the same plane; the whole picture to me, sits at sea level. The transparency allows some
opportunity to add some depth to the image. The depth of the image will also be affected by varying
the line weight. As well as adding to the space and relative 'air' separating the various intertwined
elements.
The blue is really heavy and draws the eye in like a magnet. Whats nice is the way the line work acts
to tug you away from the blue and sling shots you right back in to the blue...
Over all i like the picture, the direction is right the feel is right and the image reads as honest and not
trying to be anything other then what it is. Nice.
**** i might have over cropped.
*****edited into more readable paragraphs
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yeah take it...bitch. ||
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yes.
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pause, illustrator is great to kick around ideas.
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there are rules and there will always be rules. our visual perception forces rules on us for as humans
its our nature to categorize our experiences and we do the same thing when sorting out visual
information
the whole 'no rules' thing is a pipe dream of the naive. The idea is once you know the rules*** of
composition, line, volume, color and scale (or what ever your chosen form of expression is) you may
then set about breaking them. Art is much like music, it remains interesting to the eye when theres
enough information to not alienate the viewer while maintaining enough nuance and surprise to key
the eyes stimulated and searching for clues on how to read what the eyes see. Similar to how music
works on basic timing and sympathetic chords combined with dissident notes; the sympathetic chords
keep us grounded, while the dissidence keeps us listening for what might come next. Which is why
experimental music that goes against these principles can be hard to listen to; you have no frame of
reference from which to ground yourself
I agree with joker that graffiti becomes incestuous and stale if the inspiration is focused inwardly on
itself. Its almost impossible to keep ideas fresh when they are culled and recycled from the same
source. There are only some many James brown breaks that can be sampled before the music begins to sound all the same.
*** Rules. New movements like writing started of unorganized with no accepted set of standards and
principles, they were defined as writing evolved. If you look at early writing it was very raw and with
out regard for artistic standards, it was its own thing. However as it evolved and people put more
thought into it intellectualizing it, consciously or unconsciously, the principles formed and they were
unwittingly very much inline with the basic principles of visual communication.
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I hear you. To this day I try not to get too involved with the ideas and trends of other artists before me. I just do what feels right. I feel it helps keep my personal views on art clear. This has deemed me the title of "outsdier artist" locally when I speak to those in the know but I could give a crap.
you know i agree so much with you on this... and then i feel that its a total cop out, and reflects a laziness.
You know with your access to information and ability to intellectualize and speak about what you do, I kinda feel like you're (i'm) slightly obligated to do some research. if for now other reasons then to know your not regurgitating a thought someone might have finished that could lead you to the next thought and be rewarding and not rehashing... And then theres ignorance is bliss, which is true a LOT.
Im conflicted. anyway just a thought not meant to be a personal admonishment.
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super uninspired... but i dooo doodle. For lack of a real submission you get a page of unsuccessful ideas
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you know i cant spell that right?
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I don't have a green pen. I do have a dark colored pen and i also believe in making my own rules so already my attempt will be and abstraction of your requirement.
just the word antique?
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do i detect you being condescending?,,,ok were u from?..maybee ud know thatright. i would have PMed you but its turned off. i asked you to PM. nope you want it on front street.
i made valid points and because you actually are in an indefensible position so play "i don't care card".
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you may notice some recent post missing...
this is not the 'post all of your boys pieces and call them burners thread'.
this for legitimate burners and style pieces;
Please do not post 15 of the some piece with different colors. Were not looking for a retrospective of you people, were looking for burners and style. One hot piece will do at a time. if you have 15 and you cant decide chances are none of them belong here.
STYLE is KING maybe you can break down your def of burners or style and we can have this thread re-focused back to the extremely high standards it should be.
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your right man...i just get wrapped up to much sometimes...arguin with fools...when i shouldnt...im making a fool outta myself..noones ever gonna be seen face to face and i gotta keep that in mind
so basically anything that would illicet a response online is something in the real world would be worth throwing hands for? man thats gotta be time consuming. and also has lead you to ether being a good fighter or horribly bruised...IMO not every problem calls for a hammer answer.
..but on the ps tip..when it boils down to it kid..i could fuckin care less if i get banned so theres no need to say that..k
i feel like you care more then you let one but its not worth discussing so point taken you dont care if you get banned. Thus if (not a threat just a hypothetical) it happens i can sleep well knowing i wont hear from you.
and man the kid sayin his skill are wack look at his shit...
saying you dont like something isnt talking shit, saying someone could use some improvement is shit talking.I don't have to be a boxer to critique the fight of boxers do I?
Just because the opinion expressed isn't yours doesn't mean its shit talking.
dont come at me like im the problem ok..go kick that bullshit to someone else...
so when the person talkin boitu skills is wack,,,theres no other option but to kick his face in..wich will never happen...cuz anyone that talks shit on here is hiding anyway...so i shouldnt be arguin...thats the only thing ill give u
when you're the one who gets caught (wow that sounds really hall monitor...) what others are guilty of isn't really important. You can remain dismissive of criticism if you want, the fact remains that you dont have to be able to burn to recognize what does or doesn't burn; it may help as far as others wanting to take it for what it is instead of taking it personally. But im pretty sure if i said the same thing there be some reason i was an idiot too instead of thinking 'dam maybe dude has a point'. The other thing is its clear your agenda for writing and being here is diametrically opposed to mine so i have no doubt there is little for us to see eye to eye on. the bottom line is for better or worse i hold the keys to the door, if you want in (||)play by the rules. if you dont care then by all means do you and let the internerd chips fall as they may.
notice i tried to be as polite as i could be avoiding condescending terms like KID or SON.
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your blind and retarded, if you're serious.
Cuasr burns.
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Fire... you should really relax, you can be tough in real life all you want. but your posts are close to getting you banned for a bit. theres no need for them fun for you is grating and annoying for the rest of us. saying your done after 1o posts that really have nothing to do with you is really unneeded.
if some one doesn't like abuses shit its on them, theres really no need for you to jump in and get involved, your man can handle himself. If skills are in question then discuss skills. Its childish and telling, really, to always decide the way to counter some one questioning the skills by offering up some sort of violence. This is a website for writers; as writers we value skills. the blows you throw are secondary to the game the rest of us are here for. Dodging the skills question answers it as much it needs to be.
theres more to life then looking for the next chance to knuckle up.
feel free to PM if you want to debate or discuss this or issue some threats Holla.
-heavylox
I would have PMed you but you have them turned off.
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Yes my brother.
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I'll let everyone in on a lil secret...most of theses rappers dont have shit for money. Sheeeet Prodigy bout to do a 3 1/2 year bid for getting caught with a hammer. Now if P had that Diddy money, he wouldnt be seeing any time at all...and TI another ignorant rapper..he DOES have millions but still decides to get caught picking up machine guns
all the money in the world cant buy common sense.
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that COAX character is fresh. IF anyone has more coax post away...
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two good things come of Seattle Weed and Coffee and I bet your neither...
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this last flick doesnt even come close to really showing the scale of how large those joints are ||NH.
The Jimmy Hoffa's end zone cemetery...superthread
in Brick Slayers
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washed up... hahaha.