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Using copyrighted music in films

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by CIPHER_one, Mar 24, 2004.

  1. CIPHER_one

    CIPHER_one Senior Member

    Joined: Jul 3, 2000 Messages: 2,300 Likes Received: 0
    I am pretty sure that you need permission to use copyrighted music in film, but how come I see skate videos with tons of pop music in them? I doubt they always get permission.
  2. Abracadabra

    Abracadabra Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Dec 28, 2001 Messages: 22,906 Likes Received: 113
    you just answered your own question. they don't get permission

    the only ones that have permission are the ones that actually have a tracklisting in the credits
  3. High Priest

    High Priest Elite Member

    Joined: Jan 1, 2002 Messages: 4,928 Likes Received: 4
    Depends, i can tell you transworld and thrasher make sure to get the rights.. but the smaller companys i really doubt.. well girl maybe..
  4. duh-rye-won

    duh-rye-won Member

    Joined: Aug 8, 2001 Messages: 580 Likes Received: 2
    most record labels are happy about the exposure of the music in skate vids. i remember reading an article about this in transworld.
  5. High Priest

    High Priest Elite Member

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    "Farting on a snare drum."
  6. CIPHER_one

    CIPHER_one Senior Member

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    well it makes sense that its just more exposure...but I'd hate to get fined or some shit.
  7. --zeSto--

    --zeSto-- Veteran Member

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    simple... I deal with this shit daily.

    you need legal clearance from the band/artist to use their works in any form. Generally if you're making an 'art project' like some indy film about addiction or whatever, the bands will donate the rights. If you have friends who make tunes, ask them for some songs. I get a cat I know to write me hiphop beats for shows and I get him a bit of money for it. Like $200 a track for what I actually use. For the 10 he makes I might use 2.

    essentially it comes down to money.

    if you are going to make money from the project (like a skate video with medium - large distribution) you'l have to pay for the music. If you're making a home video that only 20 of your pals will see and you dont make money off the project, there's really nothing the artists can do (short of a seist and desist order) I say go for it, but keep all the masters and edit lists so if you have to pull the music, you can do so without having to recreate the video from scratch.
  8. CIPHER_one

    CIPHER_one Senior Member

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    thanks kilo. I'm a little unsure just because I'm going to most likely be submitting it to some film festivals. Is that something I might want to get permission for?

    Man, it appears as though you have a pretty sweet job whatever it is.
  9. KaBar2

    KaBar2 Senior Member

    Joined: Jun 27, 2003 Messages: 2,128 Likes Received: 66
    This kind of stuff is covered in great detail

    On filmmaker's message boards and websites. Most well-known music is copywrited and you must pay royalties if you use it, BUT, if you're a student, they usually let you have it for free or form a nominal cost. If you are submitting the video to a film festival, they charge a different sort of fee. Low if you lose, but if you win and sell your movie to MGM or Searchlight or somebody, you have to pay a lot more.

    You could use an unknown musician playing unknown music--make sure he signs a legal release.

    You could use music in the public domain.

    You could write/perform your OWN music.

    You could just use it and don't pay shit. But if your movie is an unexpected super cult hit, you're going to wish you had gotten permission, because the guy who owns the royalties is going to sue the shit out of you and get all your profits.
  10. Kr430n5_666

    Kr430n5_666 Banned

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  11. metallix

    metallix Elite Member

    Joined: Oct 7, 2001 Messages: 2,955 Likes Received: 1
    this is a good thread
  12. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    my philosophy on this is if you want to make a name for yourself
    in your city, and you plan on staying there and doing more work,
    then help out other people in your city, like a local
    producer or band, and put them on. be professional and usually it's win/win.
    next thing you know you have a new ally and networker for your next project.
  13. CIPHER_one

    CIPHER_one Senior Member

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    word, sounds good. thanks for the help.
  14. <KEY3>

    <KEY3> Veteran Member

    Joined: Mar 24, 2004 Messages: 6,878 Likes Received: 2
    it's all about what BROWSz said:

    make the connections with local talent and you will be forever rewarded with interesting projects and collaborations. Plus more work can come your way thought it.