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The Camera Thread

Discussion in 'Art & Design' started by JJC, Nov 8, 2005.

  1. JJC

    JJC Junior Member

    Joined: Oct 8, 2004 Messages: 137 Likes Received: 0
    Well with the popularity of the photography thread, I've noticed that a lot of people are getting interested in buying a DSLR. (If you don't know what a DSLR is, or are unsure of the advantages of it, I suggest you check out www.kenrockwell.com > how to> The two classes of digital cameras. direct link if you don't want to check out the rest of his site.

    What I'm trying to say is, the camera you use doesn't really matter. If you have a magic lens that fits every camera in the world, the pictures you take from Nikon's flagship pro-dslr the D2X will be no different than a whatever Konica Minolta budget dslr. Megapixels don't matter unless you plan on making huge prints. This is even more so with film cameras, my 19 yr-old manual nikon FE will give exactly the same results as the F6.

    "what I'm trying to say is, the camera you use doesn't really matter..."
    But the lens attached to the camera does. Sharpness, color/contrast, distortion, depth of field and shutterspeeds all depend on the lens. Which is why pros that shoot Nikon and Canon use their camera brand lenses instead of thirdparty stuff from Sigma/Tokina/etc. (Those are the 2 giants in the slr business, though pentax/olympus makes great lenses too). The important part is that you stick with your camera brand lenses. It's because they've been making lenses specifically for their camera systems since forever and know what they're doing as opposed to thirdparty manufacturers mixing and matching their mounts.

    My camera(s) Nikon d70, Nikon FE circa 1986
    lens: 18-70 f/3.5-4.5 af
    50 f/1.8 af
    80-200 f/2.8 af
    85 f/1.4 af

    Hope I help.
  2. WeakSauce

    WeakSauce Banned

    Joined: Oct 20, 2004 Messages: 610 Likes Received: 0
    I dont really know shit about lenses, but I'm looking to get the nikon d70, and the lens that comes with it is the 18-70mm AF-S DX f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED. Is this a good lens for just multipurpose shots; details, long range, night shots? or should I look for a better one?
  3. JJC

    JJC Junior Member

    Joined: Oct 8, 2004 Messages: 137 Likes Received: 0
    The D70 is an incredible camera.
    The 18-70 is what you're looking for- it's sharp, it's wide (the 18mm end is pretty much as wide as you can get other than the the 12-24 or some crazy fisheye/specialty lens for upwards of a grand). You're fine with night shots as long as you have a tripod, If you find yourself in dim light, and the 4.5 isn't fast enough for you? crank that iso up to 1600, it'll still be very usable.

    But if you can wait a bit, say around, till the end of the year, I'd say go for the D200. (I'm getting one myself) It's a league ahead of the D70 with a bigger af motor, buttons dedicated to ISO/Quality/WB, and an optional vertical grip that's very important to me. And a programmable button that should be very useful for quick AF override or flash control. You get that, and an extra 5 megapixels for 700 more. definitely worth it I think.
  4. Ckit

    Ckit Member

    Joined: Mar 10, 2003 Messages: 725 Likes Received: 1
    great info, but i would have to disagree on one point. In film cameras, the camera itself, in terms of image quality matters very little. The handling, ease of use, specs and build quality would be how to choose. WIth digital however, the camera has a huge role. In addition to the qualities needed in film. other things factor in also. If you ever compare 3mp cameras to 6mp ones you will see an amazing difference. same as if you compare 6mp dslrs to 14mp ones. also, many of these cameras have variations in the colors they produce. most high end ones can be programed to give you close to what you want, but some may not.


    i have
    50mm 1.8 af
    24mm 2.8
    75-150mm 3.5
    35-70mm 2.8 af (soon!)
  5. thecarwreck

    thecarwreck Senior Member

    Joined: May 14, 2003 Messages: 1,006 Likes Received: 67
    i generally agree with the majority so far. the lenses ARE important, but you can do 75% of your shooting with a mediium length zoom.., that's why the 18-70 is ideal. i have an 80-300 that i use maybe once a month for sneaky candids or soemthing. PopPhoto had a good article on lens selection a while back...download A PDF of it.

    my d70 is the fucking joint and the image quality--even with less-than-high-end lenses--is dope. the whole megapixel thing is useless anymore unless you're shooting as a professional. the 14mp canon is essentially going to give you the same results as the 6mp nikon... unless you're printing HUGE images. i did a 24"x40" pring (RAW, sent to the printer as a 300dpi PDF) and that was 90% perfect.

    there is a significant difference in point-and-shoot digis and DSLR though. just like 35mm, it makes a difference. so when Ckit says the 3mp and the 6mp are worlds apart, it only really goes with the point-and-shoot... to a degree. i'm so not about all the tech shit though. i've seen the illest photos come from fucking pinhole cameras... images that crush the $12,000 digital medium format shit. it's like anything else: your equipment should reflect your ability. it's like buying some expensive european paint and expecting to be a good graffiti writer... or getting the best setup in the skateshop and thinking that'll make you a good skater... all the same shit. if you suck, you suck. practice makes you good, not the equipment.

    JJC: the d200 is going to be pretty sick. that whole vertical grip thing though, you can get one that pops onto the d70 for like $10 (check freestyle photo supply). the individual buttons will be nice though, that push-and-turn shit is annoying in fast-shooting situations.
  6. -Rage-

    -Rage- 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Apr 12, 2001 Messages: 10,006 Likes Received: 28
    carwreck, I have to ask...
    When you shoot are your raw images naturally that satrurated or is that a small tweek after uploading to your computer?
  7. thecarwreck

    thecarwreck Senior Member

    Joined: May 14, 2003 Messages: 1,006 Likes Received: 67
    what i shot at the steel was the largest jpeg setting, 'fine'. it produces a 10x6 300dpi file. the color is 99% original to the intial file... that's because the d70 offers not only custom color saturation settings (mine's on 'high'), but also various shooting modes (portrait, night, action, etc) that each have an inherent color profile. the 'landscape' mode makes greens pop, the macro makes reds, and so on. the only photoshop work i do is for contrast (PS7 has some weird muddying in the transfer) and cropping. occasionally i'll get into color correction if the lighting is all fucked (i.e. sodium or florescent). but i try to shoot an original that's as close to the actual colors as possible.

    so i guess it's the camera doing a little tweaking more than anything... but i feel like that's the equivalent of shooting really saturated film like velvia or kodachrome in 35mm...

    *edit... i just reread that and realized just how nerdy it sounds.
  8. JJC

    JJC Junior Member

    Joined: Oct 8, 2004 Messages: 137 Likes Received: 0
    Right, there's NO visible difference between 6mp and 12 when you're making prints 9x11 or less. But yes, D70 is 'da joint', no two ways about it. Only thing I want more from it is faster AF speed, more FPS, a vertical grip, and WB/ISO/QUAL buttons, and a programmable free button. Oh wait... I want a d200.
  9. WeakSauce

    WeakSauce Banned

    Joined: Oct 20, 2004 Messages: 610 Likes Received: 0
    Thanks for answering my question in depth JJC thats exactly what I needed to know. And as far as the d200 goes, it sounds great but I can barely afford the d70 right now. let alone another $700. Thanks again though you've helped a lot.
  10. JJC

    JJC Junior Member

    Joined: Oct 8, 2004 Messages: 137 Likes Received: 0
    I'm looking to get into medium format. Anyone here have experience in that field? Gear/format advice would be mega appreciated.
  11. I would only buy sony's and panasonic's cause they carry ZEISS and LEICA lenses. Fuck that nikon, canon crap
  12. BURLAP

    BURLAP Member

    Joined: Jul 29, 2004 Messages: 307 Likes Received: 0
    i shoot med. format, but on a holga. not somethin' i'd recommend since it's made
    of plastic, has a plastic lens and light leaks etc. plus it's one of the trendiest goddamn
    camera's on the planet.
    my dad has a huge mother of a med. format camera, a real nice one, but the name of
    it is drawing a blank. hopefully i'll be shooting with this thing by the end of the year.
  13. coffeedependency

    coffeedependency Senior Member

    Joined: Oct 8, 2004 Messages: 1,202 Likes Received: 0
    it doesn't really matter anymore, all their stuff is made in china.
    besides that, their cameras are weak. the lenses are a gimmick.
  14. FunTimePartyTeam

    FunTimePartyTeam Senior Member

    Joined: Apr 19, 2005 Messages: 2,029 Likes Received: 0
    Speaking of where theyre made... Ive been looking into getting a D70S and from what I'm finding the 'good' lenses and cameras are american made, where there is sort of knock off versions coming out of China. Has anyone else run into this? And how do I tell them apart (does it say)?
  15. Ckit

    Ckit Member

    Joined: Mar 10, 2003 Messages: 725 Likes Received: 1
    check out pentax MF. nothing but quality.