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hittin low trains

Discussion in 'Metal Heads' started by NEW2FR8s, Nov 13, 2001.

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  1. NEW2FR8s

    NEW2FR8s Guest

    aight, theres a layup like three blocks from my house. its dope that i found it cuz it looks pretty calm wit no security and its always got trains in it. but its by a lumber yard and the trains are short and there constantly loading them, i dont want to heat out the spot by letting some one in the engine see me. so im just waiting till i catch a good sized layup there to paint, but theres always these trains there that dont have a box car on them, there just like the bottoms of csx trains, ive seen them before with box cars or cars that look like semi trailers stacked on them. but anyways there big enough to hit the bottoms of them but they set in on the track, were if i was hittin on and they gotted humped or started moving it would be over for me. im scared to hit them for that reason. what do you guys think? and whats some signs i can look for to let me know there gonna be there for awhile and i have no worrie about them taking off. and can i please get some actual answers this time, i mean i like the creative critisism, but this is for real im trying to go paint these and i need some help first.
    Later.............
     
  2. just~someone~else~

    just~someone~else~ Senior Member

    Joined: May 5, 2001 Messages: 1,368 Likes Received: 0
    learn some basic english skills, then come back and say that again....
     
  3. NEW2FR8s

    NEW2FR8s Guest

    Ok, thats my fualt. i was typing fast and all the ebonics came along with it. i know you can understand it but im not goin to argue becuase id like to get some reasonable replies on this thread.

    I happend to find this layup close to my living facinity. (house) and i have watched it closely and the only trains that i could hit with out having to wait woul be these trains that dont have any top to them. there just like a bottom of a csx train but the chassis (frames) come far out from the tracks, so im scared to hit them. for the fear of them gettin humped by another car and starting to move and i get hit by part of the frame and then it would be all over for me seeing how the train weighs 100 times more than me. so i was wondering whats some signs i can use to tell if the cars wont be moving for awhile or just whats your alls opinion on this, have any of you all personaly hit them before. any any other helpful advice woudl be greatly aprecciated. and also i hope this time its more understandable. later..........
     
  4. Cracked Ass

    Cracked Ass Veteran Member

    Joined: Oct 24, 2001 Messages: 7,898 Likes Received: 47
    I can't tell from tour description what kind of car you're talking about. (If it's only 3 blocks from your house, go down there and read the biggest letters and numbers you see written on the car and report back, that might help me out. Does it say TTX on there anywhere?)
    It sounds like a spine car, or intermodal. The rule is this: for safety reasons, you should paint ONLY the part of a car that is maximum width. If it sticks out as far as a regular boxcar would, it's OK. If you have to step inside any kind of framework to reach the paintable part, don't do it. If the train moves suddenly you may be hamburger. I might add, I've never seen a spine car that had enough of a vertical flat surface to be worth painting anyway.
    On another note, despite the convenience, I would be leery of painting a spot that close to my house. You don't shit where you eat. People who recognize you could see you coming and going from the spot. A lot depends on how it's set up and how chill your town is. (Sometimes it's worse in a real one-horse town, where a kid walking up the street with a backpack is big doings.) I'm always paranoid of being noticed as a "regular" by people who live or work near my spots. "That's like the tenth time I've seen that car parked at the back of that empty lot...and the guy has a backpack and walks into the woods, what's with that?"
     
  5. Cracked Ass

    Cracked Ass Veteran Member

    Joined: Oct 24, 2001 Messages: 7,898 Likes Received: 47
    Hmm, it's more like 100,000 times, for a short train. (It would be about 5,000 times for one empty railcar.)
     
  6. NEW2FR8s

    NEW2FR8s Guest

    aight, the cars are yellow (well some are rusty brown) but mostly all yellow. they have barely enough room to paint, in the middle of the car theres a piece of flat steel that comes down almost like a upside down pyramid with out going fully to a point and its real low to the ground, npw this part of it set inside the tracks so the wheels are about a foot futher out from it, so i could problay take a few steps back be safe but what worries me is if the cars get humped becuase i wont hear the engine i want have time to step back. but its real chill like i can cut through some woods and shit and i wont even be noticed goin there alot. but i go down there and get some flix later on and ill get some numbers off them, and ill get a pic of one a try to put it up in the bench section or on this post. thanks for the help cracked. later.......
     
  7. NEW2FR8s

    NEW2FR8s Guest

    My bad on the spelling a grammar and punctuaition used in that last post i was typing fast. From now on ill go slower and take stuff like that into consideration. Later.........
     
  8. KaBar

    KaBar Senior Member

    Joined: Oct 9, 2001 Messages: 1,397 Likes Received: 28
    Blending into the Landscape

    There's two ways to look at this "kid with a backpack" thing. If you go there all the time, or you are in the area all the time, but NOT HARMING ANYTHING or causing any upset, people will get used to seeing you around, and you'll soon be accepted as part of the regular landscape. "Oh yeah, there's the Backpack Kid. And over there, there's the Dumpster-diving Guy, and over here is the Old Lady with a Little Dog." After a while, you'll cease being unusual.
    If you regularly go over to this lay-up and hit everything in sight (especially in the daylight) you will heat up the spot and the bulls or the cops or the lumberyard security will start trying to catch you with the can in your hand. If I were you, I would NOT HIT A SINGLE THING FOR TEN BLOCKS IN ANY DIRECTION around your lay-up. And NEVER hit some guy's private property--nothing pisses off a homeowner more than silly ass vandalism, and they will make seeing you in hand-cuffs a major priority in their life. Exercise self-discipline. Plan your pieces in detail, execute them in a way calculated to not heat up the spot, and don't do anything to piss off the local neighborhood.
    As far as the cars themselves goes, I think you must be looking at DTTX COFC's. Is there a steel deck in the bottom of the car? Does it say TTX 48 on it or DTTX 53? Lumber spine cars have a very tall steel bulkhead in the middle of the car (to keep loads from going "over the side" on curves, but still make them easy to unload with a forklift). I agree 100% with the poster above that says do not step in between cars. You can go in (very briefly) to lightly kick the brake hoses. If they are hard, the brakes are "set." If they are soft(er) the brakes are probably bled down or leaked down, and the train could move if an engine coupled to it. Obviously, one NEVER goes under a train car or coupler, or between cars that have been separated, and I mean NEVER. As in "crushed into a screaming pile of severed arms and legs" never. NEVER MEANS NEVER. If you must pass to the other side of a string of cars, either go over (don't step on the couplers) or just walk around the end, but NEVER GO UNDER.
    If you do recon without any paint, you can learn a lot. Take a camera, and pretend to be a railfan. Don't act furtive. Wave to the crew, act like a train nerd: "Hi guys! Can I take your picture? I LOVE trains!" It might help to do a little research and actually learn something about them, too, of course. If they tell you you are trespassing, act surprised "Trespassing? Really? Wow, I'm sorry, I didn't know. Okay, I'll leave. I hope I didn't cause any problem. Sorry!" A lot of times the same crew will work the same line, so once you use the "I'm sorry" routine, they will probably be looking for you the next time.
    You don't have much to fear from the crew as long as you look innocent, but if they see you on the cars or painting, haul ass. They will definately call the bulls or the cops. As long as you are not actually touching the rail cars, you are safe even if they get humped. Just stay away from the area if there is any power there (i.e. engines.) Rail cars on a lay-up will only be made up into a consist by flat-switching (cars being pushed together by an engine) as there is no hump. (You'd know it if there was a hump anywhere near--it's a big hill with rail tracks on it, and it has a tower and a master retarder that squeals and makes a shit load of noise when it slows down the free-rolling cars.) If there is no power, there can be no flat-switching. Also, flat-switching requires a brakeman to cut the cars loose and a switchman to operate the switches manually, so there will be at least two trainmen ON THE GROUND during flat-switching. If you see railroad workers on the ground, time to go get a Coke or something.
     
  9. dukeofyork

    dukeofyork Guest

    once again kabar dropping knowledge on em...
     
  10. cmeup

    cmeup Veteran Member

    Joined: Apr 17, 2001 Messages: 9,485 Likes Received: 1
    if you mean they are hauling the backs of 18 wheelers, those train cars arent worth hitting anydam way. they aint got no room to paint because the haul 18 wheeler backs on them.

    common sense there guy.

    ibtease:rolleyes:
     
  11. NEW2FR8s

    NEW2FR8s Guest

    hey, im using my common sense, asking you guys for help before i just go heat out the lay up or possibly get cuaght. and i didnt litteratly mean 18 wheeler trailers. its these train box car type things that dosent have wheels. but the bottom of the car that huals them has a spot in the middle thats big enough to paint. and itll give me something to paint when i cant make it to the yard or im bored.
     
  12. BIG T

    BIG T Member

    Joined: Sep 20, 2000 Messages: 976 Likes Received: 2
    does it look like something you would like to paint??? if so go paint one and see what happens, the trains arent doing you any good just sitting there. just listen to the train and if it sounds like its about to move back up off it...:idea:
     
  13. Average White Railfan

    Average White Railfan Senior Member

    Joined: Jun 2, 2001 Messages: 1,120 Likes Received: 0
    sorry dude but thats too classic.
     
  14. NEW2FR8s

    NEW2FR8s Guest

    Aight, my crib how about that is that better, or my pad, maybe my shack or how about my damn house, i mean shit what does it matter what i call it you know what i mean. i mean shit come on guys lay off stupid shit like that if you would please. and i didnt mean to sound like a jerk and this isnt aimed towards anyone im just stated my opinion. later...........
     
  15. KaBar

    KaBar Senior Member

    Joined: Oct 9, 2001 Messages: 1,397 Likes Received: 28
    Plan of Action for New Guys

    1.) Find yourself a good spot. Keep in mind that if you live in a city, probably 50 other guys consider your "secret spot" to also be their secret spot too. If they heat the spot up and you just happen to be there when the cops show up, guess who goes to jail?
    2.) "Five ways in, ten ways out." Don't make a habit of parking your car or stashing your stuff in the same place every time. Once you locate a spot, complete MAP RECONNAISANCE, so you will be completely familiar with the area. Memorize the names of nearby streets, the number of tracks, the location of switches and signals, etc.
    3.) Complete preliminary GROUND RECONNAISANCE of the area, both day and night, if you intend on painting there during the hours of darkness. BE AWARE that there is a ton of activity in rail yards at night, especially big city rail yards. Rail transport is a 24/7 kind of business. There is more activity Tuesday through Friday, with Saturday morning activity petering off until Sunday afternoon and night. Trains that dispatched from somewhere else Saturday afternoon will arrive in your yard early Sunday morning, and by Monday afternoon will be getting classified and humped into new consists. If something stupid happens, like a fucking terrorist attack or a labor strike, it will change the schedule. I went down to my favorite yard the other Saturday and there were trains parked EVERY fucking where, just sitting there screwing up my day, LOL. It's a serious business. So is trucking.
    4.) Plan your piece. Draw up lay-outs, sketches. Estimate the required amount of paint required. Then double it. Buy extra tips, gloves, etc. whatever you think you'll need. If you just go blast a freight car, you'll wish you hadn't wasted the paint. Over half the piece is the THINKING AND PLANNING. Be critical of your own stuff. Why are you doing this thing in this way? Why are you using this color or that tip? If you don't know why, THINK ABOUT IT. Revise it. Talk to your buddies about it. Don't just yank a piece, EXECUTE IT CAREFULLY AND PROFESSIONALLY.
    5.) Be patient. Not every day is the RIGHT day to paint. Choose when, where and how very carefully.
    6.) Be true to your self. Don't let somebody else make decisions for you or unduly influence your decisions. Think carefully and rationally. Know what you consider to be "too much risk."
    7.) Carry bail money, the telephone number of a good lawyer and the telephone number of a friend who can come get you. Realistically, you don't want to spend any more time in thre pokey than you must, if you get popped. PLAN FOR THE BEST, PREPARE FOR THE WORST.

    Man. I think that covers it.
     
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