I dont want to drag out an argument by anymeans but I do want to put in my 5 cents. I'm totally with EastBay on this, you exclude "Toys" from this battle, but like EastBay said 'where do you draw the line?' Some one you concider good I may concider a toy, and vice versa. I see no point to exclude anyone, graff has enough hate filled ego's as it is. Let the "Toys" take part, taking part in a battle with someone less talented then you will not ruin your rep. This is 12oz and I hope some of yous understand the thick line between a message board and the real game.