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Alright....quesion on legality/ethics and "art".

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by Tyler Durden, Mar 28, 2003.

  1. Tyler Durden

    Tyler Durden Veteran Member

    Joined: Nov 18, 2001 Messages: 5,263 Likes Received: 40
    alright, so i've been thinking about this a bit lately and havent spoken with anyone who's given me a conclusive answer yet. i figure someone on here might be able to give me some kind of info thats not based purely on opinion or here-say.....






    keep in mind, this is hypothetical....



    ok, so lets say that someone were to go out and shoot photos of someone bombing, not typical "action flicks", but more or less an attempt at "fine art" type photos ("art" about the making of "art".....depending on your opinions of what art is....but thats not what we're discussing here...) so yeah, say that someone was to make an attempt at shooting photos in the way i stated above.... firstly, would a professional lab contact the police? i would imagine that the local drugstore would....especially since the kids i went to highschool with who worked in the photolab always told me about how they made copies of shit for themselves of other peoples photos (mostly sex stuff...) or just looke through peoples shit in general. so i would imagine going through that sort of establishment is not too smart, however, perhaps a pro-lab would be more...hmm...."liberal/professional/accepting" of such photos?


    after the dillema of processing, lets say that some of the prints were on display, would the police be able to do anything to the photographer to attempt to get names of people in the photos or pursue legal action against the photographer himself?



    oh, and the photos would be of very risky type shots......billboards and "heavens" along with street bombing.....


    i know that there's been people who have done an artistic approach to shooting photos of writers (henry chalfant, martha cooper, ryan mcginley, and anna of transcend are the first people that come to mind...) but did they every catch any legal shit? i'd imagine that some of them probably have good legal representation? not all of us have money for that though.......



















    i welcome opinions, although, im really looking for someone to give me some real solid info or direct me to where i can find some facts on the subject, because i've come up with nothing so far.
     
  2. Grandola

    Grandola Senior Member

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    just say your 'source' put you in contact with these people and you don't know who they are. cause from what i gather (from watching law & order), the DA can't force you to give up your sources if your a jounalist....


    then again, i'm just some mexican dude chillin in texas concerned about whats going on tonight. where the hoes at and whatnot... what do i know.
     
  3. Tyler Durden

    Tyler Durden Veteran Member

    Joined: Nov 18, 2001 Messages: 5,263 Likes Received: 40
    well.......hypothetically speaking still.....the photographer wouldnt be giving up sources or subjects and has a rather airtight reason for that if anyone were to ask how they met the writers.



    im more about whether the shooter would face any shit while getting stuff processed in the lab AND/OR at a "show".
     
  4. Grandola

    Grandola Senior Member

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    maybe if it was shots of weed plantations, but i doubt they'd do anything for bombing flicks. just don't leave your real name/address on the slip for your pictures. cause seriously, most 'regular everyday people' don't give a shit about graffiti, in my opinion.
     
  5. mr.yuck

    mr.yuck Veteran Member

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    here is the thing... i used to be a phototech at CVS and yes i did make
    copies of other peoples flicks for myself, for blackmail or what have
    you. But then again if it is a one hour photo place chances are they just develope them and throw them into the basket. Its best to go
    somewhere first and scope out who is working. Ask them a question like
    "Hey buddy do you develope anything here? I got some shit and i just
    wanna make sure you guys develope this kinda stuff?"

    Girls used to do that to me all the time and i'd know right away that they
    were naked on the film so id be like "I dont give a shit. The film
    developes and shoots right into the paper folder. I dont ever even see
    them." They'd say "Okay cool. i have 8 rolls i need to get doubles."

    Triples you say? Coming right up. But chances are if it is a younger
    person they are gonna be thinkin "Hey look a person painting or posing.
    They might make a copy for themselves if they see something cool but
    i wouldnt worry about someone calling the cops unless you are in some
    bum fuck and the communitee is up in arms about Old Ned Turners shed getting vandalized.






    It'll be okay
     
  6. Tyler Durden

    Tyler Durden Veteran Member

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    well yeah, i knew a bunch of phototecs in highschool and they always looked at shit anyhow.



    i would think that someone would go to a pro-lab anyhow to ensure the highest possible quality on the final work, especially if they were intended for display. so i'm more curious about that i guess.
     
  7. mr.yuck

    mr.yuck Veteran Member

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    well i've done both developing pictures by hand and feeding the film through the big kodak machine. I'd have to say that the pictures from the machinecome out as good as you have taken the pictures. Plus its a lot more cost effective than taking it to a professional lab.
     
  8. drain bamage

    drain bamage Senior Member

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    i had some black and whites of stuff like that before....i just ordered process only on my roll becaue i knew i'd be able to process them myself. i did order reprints though one time and i just put a name on the bag that wasn't my real name. just in case. this was a professional lab. but also.....i think it would be safest to drop it in one of those out-lab boxes (i.e. like the kodak ones in drugstores) they go to these bulk labs where they have so much work that they don't have much time to examine all the rolls. put a differnt name than your own and drop that shit in the box and it goes outta town so they never even see your face. but those places are pretty cheap and lack quality of course.
     
  9. ana

    ana Junior Member

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    I've never had a problem with it and no other person that I know has either but you might want to be more specific on the location if you want real help. Laws change so much from region to region that it's not a whole lot of help if I tell you that I can develop pictures, exhibit them etc... Not being a snoop, just trying to be practical
     
  10. Tyler Durden

    Tyler Durden Veteran Member

    Joined: Nov 18, 2001 Messages: 5,263 Likes Received: 40

    the region would be new york. around the city...


    and i know about the basic policies that drug stores have.
    price is not an issue if the person were to go through a pro lab, i think quality is more of an issue hence why the pro lab would be the main idea in the first place.
     
  11. Intangible

    Intangible 12oz Legend

    Joined: Jul 9, 2001 Messages: 17,479 Likes Received: 6
    I use a fake name and address...I have never had problems with action shots...infact some places send the photos out of state to get developed, unless you do hour photo...they have no rights to report anything unless its child pornography as far as i can tell...they can refuse to develop them if they want...
     
  12. drain bamage

    drain bamage Senior Member

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    plus, IF somehow you get questioned by athorities...you can just say you caught them in the act and that you didn't know them in the first place. there's no way they can prove you knew them
     
  13. serum

    serum Elite Member

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    use your real name like if it was bobby brown just use b. brown. dont use a fake name. you might not be able to get your photos back, but ive never been IDed.

    dont worry about processing graffiti photos just think about all the photos that you see on the internet these fools arent doing it themselves.

    go to a photo lab if they do good work, then use them all the time. i wouldnt go to a lab with kids working there because they're retarded and dont know what their doing. i choose the little old man by himself type lab. be nice to him say hi and if he asks just tell him what youre doing. making a photo exhibit.
     
  14. Ski Mask

    Ski Mask 12oz Loyalist

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  15. Intangible

    Intangible 12oz Legend

    Joined: Jul 9, 2001 Messages: 17,479 Likes Received: 6
    They dont ID you, and cant require ID...only you know you turned in pictures right??
     
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