nsmbfan Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 most crime is commited by necessity. but laws in general are a terrible way to control people. laws are just a way to keep the undesirables in line or in prison, letting the rest of the hamsters feel comfortable about running on that wheel. to the point we're scared of each other. governing society isnt an easy thing to do by any means. but fear isn't the way. putting anything "into place" is incredibly difficult. hell, to the best of my knowledge we've only had one Renaissance in the entirety of human civilization. it will take something grand as a catalyst for change... like revolution. so in this sense you are correct. and to dismiss the Zeitgeist movement as rubbish seems just as ignorant. the problem with the movie is it opens the eyes of people not yet ready to see. most people have hard enough time trying to fix their own problems. they aren't ready to contemplate a paradigm shift. the other problem with the movie, and the most disputed it seems, is that it doesn't give a clear answer on how to take action. boycott the financiers? fat chance. im not interested in governing people. people govern themselves, and given the chance to flourish with technological advances, free from the burden of the day to day struggle for basic essentials, we will see the dawn of a new chapter in human history. we're nearly there brother. all we need is love. also, that word conspiracy gets thrown around anytime someone makes a valid point. but the fact remains.... people literally conspire to make the rules on how you live your day to day life. whether you like it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 society doesnt need poor people. poor people create crime in an attempt to resolve their problems of poverty. Using that line of reasoning, please explain white collar crime. I'd say that poor people arguably commit MORE crimes statistically, but the crimes that rich people pull off have greater consequences. society needs to get rid of the greed and corruption of Capitalism first. then provide basic human essentials for everyone with the surplus of shit we have. If I gave you $10,000 to disperse among the needy, no strings attached, what would you do with it? This is an honest question. Imbalances don't usually correct themselves just because the means to do so is there. Ambition usually gets in the way of good intentions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Using that line of reasoning, please explain white collar crime. I'd say that poor people arguably commit MORE crimes statistically, but the crimes that rich people pull off have greater consequences. Not only this but white collar crime is less likely to be reported or result in charges. Poor people, particularly minorities, have a higher level of engagement with the judicial system at each step in the process, their crimes are more likely to be reported, police are more likely to charge rather than issue a warning, judges are more likely to hand down stiffer sentences rather than acquit. This has been the subject of many sociological studies. If you wanted to continue down this path, you could easily argue that forms of deviance that poor people engage in are even more likely to be catagorised as crimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILOTSMYBRAIN Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Waxman-Markey-cap-and-trade-bill-stuffed-full-of-unpleasant-surprises-45836042.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124588837560750781.html http://www.heritage.org/research/energyandenvironment/tst062609a.cfm May I introduce to you those who haven't read on it already the Waxman-Markey Cap and Trade Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Not only this but white collar crime is less likely to be reported or result in charges. Poor people, particularly minorities, have a higher level of engagement with the judicial system at each step in the process, their crimes are more likely to be reported, police are more likely to charge rather than issue a warning, judges are more likely to hand down stiffer sentences rather than acquit. This has been the subject of many sociological studies. If you wanted to continue down this path, you could easily argue that forms of deviance that poor people engage in are even more likely to be catagorised as crimes. In a roundabout way, this is what I said a couple months ago. The wealthy have options that have been commodified (hybrid cars, organic produce, non-sweatshop clothing, lawyers) that most poor people can't afford. They have to consume whatever is within their means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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crime stoppers Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 3 year old thread son, to revive or not to revive? ...im super cereal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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shai Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 This was a good thread...I'm kind of surprised it didn't stay active. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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