aLBERThOFFMAN Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Scratch that. I don't need another $7 USD paint that I can never afford. Then again I can always count on Rusto to perform, so I'd rather blow money on that than some fucked up $4 chinese paint that quits on me whenever it wants, or never works in the first place. I find is insane that I went to Home Depot the other day and bought some Rusto Stops Rust for cheaper than Painters Touch. I remember buying Painters Touch for well under $3 when the price or Rusto has remained consistently just under $4 for my whole graffiti career. Consider yourselves lucky down in the states for that. Up here in Canada Tremclad (Canadian equivalent to Rusto Stops Rust) and PT both go for $6.95 plus tax, fucking nonsense. They're really only wirth it to rack or if you're desperate. With the cold weather they are generally drippier than when it's warmer and the valve system is really hard on the hands and fingers because you have to push down harder than the fancy paints. Got frostbite last year from that. The cheapest Chinese shit we can get in Toronto is Canton which isn't bad but absolutely shits out in the cold. Freight me and my boy did last week had us struggling with constantly clogging caps and drips, so brutal. We just can't win unless we want to drop $7 dollars on some Montana Black or Belton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitzel Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 no summer squash in there? surprised grape and navy blue and meadow green are all colors i like/use out of that lineup. i forget what seaside looks like, but that might be alright too. don't get the gloss white it sucks a lot. cheers for the tips. looking forward to trying a fully non graff paint again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Dropped in to this joint yesterday whilst I was in town. Anyone tried the new United Gen3 cans yet? At AUD$4 a pop they're pretty well priced, as long as they aren't crap. Thinking of picking up a few with my Santa dollars, would love to hear some opinions and experiences first, if anyone has some to offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitzel Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 I used the first gen cans and they were pretty nice faster than your ironlak etc but not fire hosey like. reckon you could do worse Is this a cbr shop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Nah, Punt rd near St Kilda. Was in Mexico for business for a few days and popped in for a squiz. it's $15 deliv (to Canberra, anyway) for the first 5kg and a flat $20 deliv for any additional weight after that. Pretty sure it was 6% off for 24+ cans as well, taking it to about $110 for 24 cans. Not too bad for 400ml/300gm paint. Plus, they reckon that they lowered the pressure a touch and decreased the drying time from the Gen2 cans. *Not sure I'd recommend their coffee, though, sorry to say..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 2x Satin Canyon Black 2x Satin Expresso 2x Satin Blossom White 2x Gloss Kona Brown 2x Gloss Seaside 2x Aluminium 2x Satin Lagoon 2x Satin Nutmeg 2x Satin Granite 2x Gloss Berry Pink 2x Satin Dark Walnut 2x Gloss Grape 2x Gloss Key Lime 2x Gloss Dark Grey These colors won't made you sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I feel like every paint produced in China is exactly the same, aside from a difference of gloss or matte. Despite the proliferation of different brands, I believe there's only two factories producing the stuff, and both use the same valve supplier. It's excellent with a NY fat, but I cannot get a thin cap to work with the stuff. I don't trust the stability or quality of the paint, personally, because I've been burned so many times. If it were under $3 USD a can, I could see a clear niche it would fill. Unfortunately it seems to keep getting more expensive, and the options for cheap paint for throwaway fun are getting extremely limited. Bargain stores were cleared out long ago around my area. Under ten years ago there were a variety of options for everyday painting, and now there's only imported paint and male valve domestic stuff. I feel like I have to make everything count with paint prices these days. What happened to affordable silver? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I feel like I have to make everything count with paint prices these days. Yeah, I'm stingy as fuck with my paint, I hate wasting any of it as it's more expensive over here than it is in the states (although your av wage is lower than ours...). I really struggle with Ironlak in terms of consistency. You can buy a few cans of the same colour that all come out differently. Caps clog like nuts as well. This stuff from Singapore is really nice to paint with and has some really nice colours as well. Only prob though is that it only comes in matt - I prefer gloss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Looks interesting. I honestly don't mind the chinese paint quality so much as the valve. The paint generally covers better than average, but the damn valve is so fussy and inconsistent. Sometimes all your caps work great, and other times even an astro fat will spray fine at first, then peter down to a spitty, half pressure line, like the valve isn't flowing properly. I have to keep twisting and removing the cap to get a proper line. Most times I can't get a Universal Thin to work better than a spitty, miniature leak. For a while I was using an xacto blade to shave off some of the oversized rubber gasket, but then the cans would leak half the time. It's annoying and drove me away from chinese brands a long time ago. When you couple that with the pigment instability and reactivity of the paint, I'd rather save myself the headache and buy something made in Europe or the US. I wish the brands were more transparent about which factories are producing their paint so we, as consumers, could get educated about what products are coming from where. I feel like All City and Fresh Paint are slightly better than Ironlak and Evolve, but I might have just gotten lucky batches. Quality seems to vary every few months. I bought a can of Molotow Light Shock Blue about a month ago, and it was the exact shade and finish of a can I'd had laying around for over 5 years. That was always the case when i started, where I could find a can of 80's era Rusto Glossy White, and it was identical to a brand new can. Something I just expected and took for granted. I'll never question whether Rusto or Molotow are going to work, because I've never had a problem in 20 years. MTN is also very consistent, but I notice that some cans of 94 don't like to work if they've been used, then had a chance to sit in a crate for several months. My guess is the high pigmentation congealing in the diptube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Agreed, probs with Chinese paint for me are the clogging and inconsistent pigment - from can to can and even from the one single can, regardless of how much you shake it. Based on my experience in China and with manufacturing there's a good chance that the companies don't release the factory ID because Chinese factories are notorious for selling out for quick and easy profit. In other words if you found out where AVT was doing their production you could go to them and have them run an extra 20k cans on the end of an AVT run, using the same pigment tech and ratios as well as valves, etc. and then flog them off at a cheaper price undercutting AVT's market. You sell yours as Ebay cheapos without anything invested in the brand and you free ride off AVT's R&D as well as their brand, depending on how you sell your kit. That Singaporean Zenith is really nice to paint with, I put it up there with Montana, no probs at all. The valve is clean, i've never had splattery lines and never had a valve or cap block. The colours are consistent in the can and from can to can and all the shit you expect out of paint. As I said, the only thing I don't like about it is it only comes in matt. Can't work out for the life of me why they don't do any gloss lines.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 That's such a sketchy way to do business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 That's China. That's how half of the knock off clothing gets made. They do extra runs based on the designs given to them by established brands but with crappier material, dyes, quality control, etc., and then sell them out the back door. You go on Ebay and you can already find Iranlak-esque cans for sale under a no-name brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitzel Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Nah, Punt rd near St Kilda. Was in Mexico for business for a few days and popped in for a squiz. it's $15 deliv (to Canberra, anyway) for the first 5kg and a flat $20 deliv for any additional weight after that. Pretty sure it was 6% off for 24+ cans as well, taking it to about $110 for 24 cans. Not too bad for 400ml/300gm paint. Plus, they reckon that they lowered the pressure a touch and decreased the drying time from the Gen2 cans. *Not sure I'd recommend their coffee, though, sorry to say..... HUA mtn australia free shipping for orders over $100 until christmas google them or facebook them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 nice, thx! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 So I tried those new Gen3 United cans yesterday with mixed results, which, in other words would mean that consistency aint their thing. The white was a fucking joke, coverage at levels you'd expect from an Export can. The black seemed pretty good, worked really well with a grey dot when it hit the sweet spot, which was at least 30% of the can. Belgrave and M3 greens are nice colours and have excellent coverage however these cans came out like a fire hose, these cans could not be accurately described as mid-pressure. Camby, a grey, was pretty much the same, fairly high pressure but good colour and strong coverage. Paint like this is perfect for fill and large patches of colour. All-in-all, at $3.75 a can I'm happy enough. And I'll be even happier when I work out which colours are worth sticking with and which are better to pass on. Used Crunch for the first time, only three cans though; gold, black regular and black large. The Gold was fucking shit, just watery shit where the pigment settled in the can really fast like thick, heavy sediment. The black (raven), however was sensational, especially the large can, I could chuck a grey dot on it straight away and do really tight, fine work with it without waiting for the pressure to drop. Also used Montana Gold for the first time. Used Lychee for fine work. Wow, if all paint could be this good to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 That's what I'm saying. The quality of german-made paint is head and shoulders above anything else on the market. I don't know if it's the valve, the quality of the paint, or a combination of both. It's so smooth and precise, like using a new inking pen when you grew up with an old, blown-out sharpie. Why more people don't use it is a mystery to me. I feel like writers who started less than 10 years ago are pretty unaware. It doesn't surprise me, but I always have to shake my head when I see how fast the local shops go through the chinese brands, and the Belton needs to be dusted off until me or a handful of other guys in the city buy some. I'm wondering if it's toys just going with brand recognition, or simply price? Given that the asian imports are only slightly less expensive than the european cans, I have to assume that people are buying based off of advertising and word of mouth. About ten years ago, you'd be painting and some teenagers would walk by and invariably ask if you had Montana. That seemed to be the only brand they knew. Nowadays, Ironlak seems to be the hip brand that casual fans are aware of. If someone talks to me while I'm painting, I can always be sure that Banksy will come up, but Ironlak is definitely second. Maybe its just that Ironlak has a good presence in Denver. Who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infamousscribbler Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 HAL, that first paragraph...exactly. I remember coming up with flatball and 3d ball krylons, rusto and whatever local brands I could find, and the first time I got my hands on some Belton, Spanish Montana & L&G Montana, it blew me away. I enjoy using the newer brands here and there for fun stuff, but when I want quality and longevity, the European brands are the only way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Europe Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Last page here is the best read I had on 12oz in ages, thank you gentlemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeceSix Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 honestly, i dont find rusto all that great cause i like to rock some nice flares and thick lines. with rusto, you cant really get a whole lot of female caps like it has, and getting adapters gets annoying. my favorite paint is fresh paint. 2.95 a can and better than laks in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 It behaves exactly like Ironlak, sprays exactly like Ironlak, but the price point is more reasonable for what you get. Even back when Rusto had a regular valve, it never had the juicy valve Krylon did. Krylon was really sharp, while Rusto was more of a "Lenny". It was kinda like a defensive tackle compared to a running back. For durability, Rusto is second to none, but it has always lacked in precision and control. That being said, the new system with an adapter is twice as precise as it used to be. Has anyone seen the new Ironlak Sugar paint? I'm wondering if it will be as unstable and reactive as standard Ironlak/Chinese paints? I have to assume the drying time will be fairly long. I've learned not to trust their marketing hype, so I'm curious as to how it performs in real life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Also keen to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hua Guofang Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 $7:30 @ Ozgraff, not as expensive as I expected it to be. Keen to see how it comes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitzel Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 and where one goes the others will also venture. shit is getting hi tech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Wonder why the smaller can? Talking to the 567 guys, who now stock the Sugar, they had tested a couple of cans out back and said so far, so good in terms of coverage, colour, etc. I grabbed me a tin of Yard Master whilst I was there, Paprika. Will see how that goes next time I get out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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