Walid Jumblat Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 So clash has shithouse coverage, is that what I'm seeing there? They're all 400ml cans, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 I just assumed it was the high altitude here in Denver, but I wasn't terribly happy with the new MTN Hardcore 2. The paint itself was fine, aside from some weird show-thru bubbling when I tried to tighten up some lines, but I've had the same problem with MTN 94. Annoying, but nothing as bad as Chinese paint bleedthru. The problem I had was that I could not get a sharp line until the can was about 3/4 empty. NY Fat sprayed like a dusty blob. Astro fat = dusty blob. Universal cap = dusty blob. It's like no matter what you use, it sprays like a stock tip until the pressure is seriously reduced. I really like MTN paint, but this fussy valve is being marketed to us like old timey snake oil. It's supposed to be all purpose, but really serves no purpose. The old Hardcore valve sprayed wide, but at least it was predictable and clean. It looked fantastic with a NY Fat, which is more than I can say for the new valve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 wish they would bring them out in Aust. love the idea of just doing a big chisel tip tag and outlining a piece. Walid you're the expert on the export /repco paint side of things have you come across any that is really high pressure? I got a bunch of those ultrawide nozzles but they just make a mess using exports.. need to find higher pressure so more paint escapes the nozzle You wanna get a handful of the ghetto blaster caps. super fat chisel tip spray pattern. male cap so no good on export/dulux but killer on an Ironlak/Reload and other female cans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitzel Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 thanks for the tip I'm trying to find a can that matches a nozzle not a nozzle to match a can. need a male valve can to match the caps I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user unknown Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 What's everyone think about paint from monster colors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitzel Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 last time I used it it was rubbuish except for one colour called "Bruise" but that was 2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cautionflamable Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 why?? caps are cheaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy roller. Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Has anyone used Yard Master by Ironlak? It's newer and supposed to be more fade resistant than regular Ironlak. I wonder how well it actually holds up.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eviltrailer77 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 It was discussed a few pages back, it's supposed to be specially formulated for metal. I still haven't gotten my hands on any yet tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injury Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Color palette is dope, but i'm not keen on 6.50/can + S/H. "keen" - read too many aussie posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 The fact that they don't have any colors with really unstable pigments helps, I'm sure. The valve is the same as Ironlak. The paint seems similar in terms of drying time. I can wipe it away with acetone effortlessly, just like Ironlak. I have to guess that it's Ironlak in a throwback can. If that's what you like, then you'll be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injury Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 I have to guess that it's Ironlak in a throwback can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitzel Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 How much do rustoleum 2x cans sell for in the states? $10.95 au ($9.97) are they worth buying since they are same price as Montana black? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eviltrailer77 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 $3.50-$4.00. Sometimes you can work bulk buys and sales to get em for $3.00. I would say something about the female valve system being a pain in the ass, but it seems you Aussies got that handled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitzel Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 yeah they have just come out in a big hardware chain in au so I think I might try some of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Oh yeah? Who's got them and what are they floggin them for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injury Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 @schnitzel they're probably not worth that much, but if you're for experimenting, have fun. what colors have you got over there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Oh yeah? Who's got them and what are they floggin them for? Ah, hang on, I get what you're saying, it's $10. Fuck that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfraRed Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 How much do rustoleum 2x cans sell for in the states? $10.95 au ($9.97) are they worth buying since they are same price as Montana black? Rustoleum or Painters Touch 2X? please post photo of can plain old Rustoleum is the best quality paint available in my opinion. I would encourage you to try some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berdsdahwerd Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 The rustoleum valve sytem is the bees knees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 I personally have a love/hate relationship with Rusto products. The paint is really top quality. I've seen freights of mine several years down the road that look surprisingly good for the beating they took traveling around the country. However, Rusto cannot seem to get an easy valve system to work with. It's moot at this point, but the old valve had a crippling stutter step whenever you'd start a line. It was fine for fills and tightening up corners, but not ideal for outlining in my eyes. In the cold it got so bad that the paintflow was kinda like watching a video that was constantly buffering. The other major concern with Rusto is the drying time. It waits for no one. I live in the high desert, and its still tacky after a couple hours. During humid east coast freight nights, you could fill in three cars at a time, come back to the first for outline, and it was barely dry enough to hold an outline without sagging and crying everywhere. Painters Touch dries and behaves more like spray paint we're all familiar with, but Rusto Stops Rust is unstoppably durable. If you want to kill that cutty spot to be enjoyed by kids that haven't been born yet, Rusto is your paint. Rustoleum is one of the few products that is truly built to last. When I had more time on my hands, I would save empty Belton cans and refill them with Rusto Gloss Black for outlining. Best paint + best valve made for a perfect, enjoyable outlines. I still enjoy filling with Rusto. It's terrific quality paint at a good price. What I do with the male vale is pop on a huge fatcap and fill with my first can until I have about 20% left, then save that for clean-ups. The pressure is a bit lower, and I can turn the can sideways and blow out as much propellant as I want until I get a smooth, buttery line. It's not my ideal, but the Rusto male valve isn't all that bad. Unfortunately I moved to high elevation just as I was starting to get into it, and everything sprays at double pressure up here in Denver. When I was living at sea level, I was having a blast drilling out NY Fats and doing before-work Painters Touch simples everywhere. The problem is the small slit in the stem of the cap does nothing to regulate the pressure, and there is no such thing at a soft hand with this valve coupled with an adapter. You're working at full blast all the time. I tried balling up some tiny newspaper shreds and jamming up the flow a bit, but it didn't help much. Realistically no one but me gives a shit about fuzziness, so I doubt 90% of you would even notice. Overall it's an improvement on the old valve, just not particularly comfortable with an adapter. Again, the paint is top notch. If only they would get off their high horse and embrace the artists market. Scratch that. I don't need another $7 USD paint that I can never afford. Then again I can always count on Rusto to perform, so I'd rather blow money on that than some fucked up $4 chinese paint that quits on me whenever it wants, or never works in the first place. I find is insane that I went to Home Depot the other day and bought some Rusto Stops Rust for cheaper than Painters Touch. I remember buying Painters Touch for well under $3 when the price or Rusto has remained consistently just under $4 for my whole graffiti career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injury Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 stops rust is around 3.60 where i'm at, i am not complaining. i too am completely vexed that PTx2 costs more. they must know the deal. hal - probably the best review of it that i've ever seen. props. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 It's a matter of convenience. Stops Rust has always had a stodgy, limited color range (for example, Rusto Sand has been on the roster since the 70's.) Painters Touch and American Accent brands were initially their answer to the casual consumer looking for a quick fix for their ugly filing cabinet. Nobody would rather wait three hours for Rusto get tacky to the touch when they can handle and reassemble a project they painted with any other brand in the same amount of time. It doesn't surprise me that people are willing to pay a bit more for the color range and convenience of Painters Touch. Rusto Stops Rust is designed for the professional. I admire that they stuck with what made them famous, but people are accustomed to a cheap, disposable world now. I'm actually surprised that they introduced AA and PT back in the mid to late 90's, and it took them this long to figure out that people care less about having the best paint on the market than to finish a project in one day. I use Rusto for freights and long term walls, because I want to give my legacy the best possible chance, but if I'm painting some stupid everyday nonsense, I'd rather have the paint dry as soon as possible and get on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitzel Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 thanks for all the feedback on them. these are the colours at my local store. still got to check the valve scenario. 2x Gloss White 2x Gloss Black 2x Flat Black 2x White Prime 2x Satin Canyon Black 2x Flat White 2x Satin Expresso 2x Satin Blossom White 2x Flat Grey Primer 2x Satin Heirloom White 2x Gloss Kona Brown 2x Gloss Sun Yellow 2x Gloss Seaside 2x Gloss Colonial Red 2x Aluminium 2x Satin Lagoon 2x Satin Nutmeg 2x Gloss Real Orange 2x Satin Granite 2x Gloss Berry Pink 2x Satin Dark Walnut 2x Satin Ivory Silk 2x Gloss Marigold 2x Gloss Meadow Green 2x Gloss Almond 2x Gloss Grape 2x Gloss Candy Pink 2x Gloss Apple Red 2x Gloss Deep Blue 2x Gloss Key Lime 2x Gloss Navy Blue 2x Gloss Dark Grey those are the colours at my local bunning the range might vary from store to store. sadly their stupid fucking site doesn't have pictures of the can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injury Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 no summer squash in there? surprised grape and navy blue and meadow green are all colors i like/use out of that lineup. i forget what seaside looks like, but that might be alright too. don't get the gloss white it sucks a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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