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Seeking, aren't you from Detroit? Michigan repeals helmet law, cites "TOURISM" as a reason why.
http://www.annarbor.com/news/rick-snyder-signs-repeal-of-michigans-helmet-law/
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Why are you so butt hurt all of a sudden? Did you write that article? No? Then I wasn't referring to you, although you did post that article for some reason.
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That article is hilarious. You can say the same things about Chinese immigrants in the early 1900's trying got assimilate the rest of the world into china by creating chinatowns in every city in the world. Those poor towns that those dirty mexicans are living in... THEY'RE NOT ASSIMILATED, THEY'RE SEGREGATED. And even if they were SO THE FUCK WHAT? And guess what, there's HUGE number of indians now coming into every country in the world and they'll be doing the exact same thing. I'm sure you'll be reading about the exact same fucking thing..."All these dirty smelly Indians think just because we thought it was INdia, now they want America to actually BE part of india. How DARE they hold onto their vegegarianism and arranged marriages."
And technically California, arizona, nevada, and texas were once parts of mexico, so if they think that they should be a part of mexico, they're absolutely right. That's not exactly ancient history. This is 1823.
Most of California knows it too and respects that fact. We now teach poor areas in California bilingually, which is great. What's so great about english anyway? You realize America was a coin-toss away from all speaking dutch right? And why wouldn't you want a spanish-mexican influence? Most Mexicans are a tiny, hard working catholics that would kill themselves before they would steal. It's only the areas in America where there has NEVER been another cultural influence that actually gives a shit.
I mean if you think America was going to stay white forever you're out of your gord. OH and also, MEXICO is a fucking melting pot you idiots... for those that think it's just one shade of brown people immigrating northward.
And back to your retort to my post. THat's great that you want a greater perspective on the issue. Maybe you just suck at it. In 1995 the cocaine trade was estimated at 165 BILLION. Now it's 88 Billion and the annual number of drug-related murders has increased by tens of thousands. So lets think about that for a second: Drugs are making less money, are becoming a higher risk, and yet the drug cartels are spending more than ever, putting ENTIRE CITIES on the take... There has been a shift to other forms of crime. Plain and simple.
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I would totally agree with you. And afterwards make Mexico a state of America for no other reason than to watch Ron Paul and everyone else backpedal on border control. It would be like politicians wanting to create a border around California to keep them from coming into Arizona. Actually it's already like that.
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I was going to go but while waiting for the bus a group of ten year old hasidic jews walked by and I instinctively threw all the coins I had at them. After recovering from the assault the jew children picked up my change and ran back into the woods. Long story short some fucking jews stole my bus fare.
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no, the article includes more than just gay history figures. a textbook isn't going to be strictly history based, and the article already points that stuff out. im not going to get into stupid arguments about where im from, because all of your assumptions not only don't fucking matter but are just straight up wrong. no matter what i say about gays and being accepting of them, you've already written me off again and again as a homophobe bigot.
If you're gonna say something like this you're going to need to cite it, because i can cite exactly where you're full of shit. Even in that right wing piece of shit article that uses "sexual-brainwashing" so for shock value they say this,
Known as the Fair, Accurate, Inclusive, and Respectful (FAIR) Education Act, the law adds “lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender [LGBT] Americans” to the list of minority groups which schools are required to portray positively. It mandates that social-science “instructional materials” include “the role and contributions of … lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans.” It prohibits teachers and school districts from “sponsor[ing] any activity that promotes a discriminatory bias on the basis of … sexual orientation.” It forbids state and local school boards from adopting any curriculum “reflecting adversely upon persons on the basis of … sexual orientation.” And since the required instruction is woven into regular social-science lessons, parents are given no warning that it will occur and no option to remove their children from class when such instruction is taking place.WHAT THE WHOLE ARTICLE IS ABOUT is that there's a law right now that states "The california educational system BY LAW can't show differences between gays and heteros, even tho gay men were commonly burned at the stake alongside witches, and to this day Gay people's constitutional rights are infringed upon." And they want to fix that. It's like saying "By law nobody will ever point out differences between black people and white people, even tho white people commonly killed black people for those differences that nobody's allowed to talk about. It's totally ridiculous.
if you're going to quote bits of my last post you could at least answer the question that i've pretty much been defending this whole time, "if someone like you Soup eventually has a kid, you would do a better job instilling the aspect of acceptance/tolerance into your kid than a teacher. do YOU disagree with that assumption?"Christ. Well, I don't know the hypothetical teacher that would be teaching my hypothetical child, now do I? And it doesn't even matter, because it takes a village to raise a kid anyway. No parent raises their kid on their own, and if they do that kid is probably severely fucked up. And I already said, the education on homosexual americans in american history is NOT for the straight kids in class. It's for the one kid that's gay or has gay parents and is being marginalized. Just like black people were felt marginalized in school before black history month. And women too. When girls were first allowed to go to school with boys all the books were about how men changed the course of history, how men were the providers. The entire educational system, public or private, has written women into passively riding in the back seat white men were at the wheel and riding shot gun.
i also never said that because i wasn't TAUGHT (in school or by my parents) about homosexuality, that i didn't know about it at a young age. you're quoting me again saying shit i never said. it's not "i didn't learn about it so they shouldn't either." yeah, i agree that young people are products of their environment, like when you say those same kids learn about stuff from ignorant trailer park rednecks, it's not much different from when one would learn it from ignorant ghetto niggers, right? good luck instilling a sense of tolerance and gay acceptance into lives of those two kinds of people in the first place.Two things, one, this conversation is about homosexual education in elementary school, so I was directly referring to you not being taught anything in elementary school. And two, I don't give a shit what education you received because you're not exactly a shining example of ANYTHING. You're a lump doing nothing with your life from some hell hole east coast bum fuck town and you don't want kids to learn about homosexuality because you'd hate for anything to come along and fuck with your shitty lump existence.
NOT ONCE did you even try to explain why you have such a fear about children learning about homosexuality. What is your fear? Saying "well I didn't learn about it so they shouldn't either" is the DUMBEST argument on the fucking planet. Seriously, imagine your kid walking along and two older gentlemen holding hands kiss each other right in front of him. Explain to me why acknowledging their existence is going to fuck up your kid? Are you afraid that your child is going to grow up and learn to be a tolerant and progressive individual? Are you afraid that he's going to look down on you and your awful petty existence, move out of your awful petty trailerpark and grow up TOLLERANT? Or does your brain not even have the capacity to connect that many dots, and you're just scared that your kid will grow up to be bi curious, which is terrifying to you because if you find your son kissing someone else's son you'll have to disown him?
Soup thinks everyone is an isolated/ignorant/racist redneck who lives in a trailer park .. And the teaching of black history is the same as the teaching as homosexual history. I myself agree that they are the same in the sense that they are both bullshit. History should be taught as history. no labels. If they wish to incorporate these new subjects then fine.(Harvey Bernard Milk did this and that and many wonderful things for gay people & he was gay, fine.) However, having an agenda to alter someones views on homosexuality is wrong.Let them think for themselves. [/color]When have I ever suggested that anyone besides Mr. Incognito grew up in a trailer park? I asked him what town he grew up in and he won't say. That's usually an indicator that he lives in a fucking awful place. He probably tells people he lives "Fifteen minutes from the hamptons"
And I love how you start this paragraph by saying, "black history is the same as the teaching as homosexual history" which either means you're so dumb that you're thinking that I think gay people and black people are the same group of people, or you think that gays deserve to be marginalized even more than black people. Or maybe you think that gay people are accepted into society right now with open hands SO MUCH that we shouldn't have to learn about their history... which is even stupider than the first two options. That's like saying "We love the jews so much that we feel a part of them, that we're going to wipe the hollocaust from the history books." AND THEN you go on to say that history should be taught without labels. Like we should wipe the slate clean for america and suggest we NEVER marginalized a fringe group of people ever.
If that's how you want the educational system to teach homosexuality how would that work, "Harvey Milk fought for the constitutional rights of homosexual americans."
"You mean to say that homosexual americans didn't have the same rights as heterosexual americans?"
"No, gays have always been loved and cherished in american society and were given all the best things."
"Then why the fuck did Harvey Milk have to fight for civil rights?!"
"uhhhhhhh errrrr hmmmmm...."
I think you're an idiot sir. IM sorry, but that's what I feel in my heart. That you are a fucking twat who wants to pretend like slavery and gays being burned at the stake with witches NEVER happened.
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im going to say this one last time, but i can't go over my stance again and again because you draw your own black and white conclusions based on what i've already said a million times, and i don't know how you're going to compare any civil rights history to any kind of sexual education be it straight or not. one is a history topic and the other is a health/science topic. but whatever, that's besides the point.
Because we're not talking about sexual education you fucking dummy. Learning where the penis goes and learning about Harvey Milk, an american politician/attourney who fought for the civil rights of gay americans, might be the same discussion for you but for everybody else those aren't even the same fucking classrooms. READ THE ARTICLE. I've quoted exactly what the education would be: AMERICAN HISTORY Involving prominent gays in american politic. Why can't you read the article you're disputing before trying to dispute it? You're the biggest douche for typing up the exact same thing over and over without even knowing what the hell anybody else is talking about. Way to be a non-contributing zilch to this thread.
And what's your point about "nobody ever taught me about homosexuality so I don't think the kids should know it exists either." How is that a good argument? "I was an ignorant white privileged child who grew up not knowing anything about homosexual history and took great pride in calling people I didn't like faggots and queers. I don't see why children should have to learn to be more progressive than my uneducated, disrespectful intolerant loser self." And your statement " i just don't believe it will solve much" Jesus christ. Black history month isn't a month dedicated to ignorant crackers who still use the word nigger un-ironically. No poor redneck has ever gone through his first black history month and come out with fresh eyes, preaching equality. It's a month for the African American community to feel at least represented in the public education system ONE TWELTH as much as white people. The same thing about teaching the history of homosexuality in this country. Its not for you. It's for the oppressed citizens out there on the fringe who are being marginalized and beaten to death by ignorant motherfuckers who say the same thing you do, "I don't want anything to do with homosexuals." Its so they know that what they're about is as constitutionally supported as apple pie, and those ignorant fucks/the poor saps from whatever sad fucking backwards long-island town you crawled out of and who can't take a redneck/jesus joke can go screw.
there are plenty of people that are WAY more against all of it than i ever would be.That says a lot more about your work ethic than how tolerant you claim to be.
if anything, friends and peers are the quickest way to learn about the "outside" world. not parents and teachers.And you wonder why Americans are such complete idiots. They learn about the "outside" world from the same bunch of ignorant trailerpark rednecks.
You know, you give me shit for editing my posts but really you should be doing the same. I think if you actually peer-edited your fucking posts from time to time you'd realize that you start every post with this brilliant idea you think you have, and by the end of the post CHUNKS of your brain have fallen out all over the fucking floor. I'm literally counting the pieces as they fall out when I read each of your posts, saying, "Oh he still thinks the article states they're teaching sex education to children, there goes another chunk."
I do wonder what part of new york you claim to be from. Mastic? Sexual assault/trailerpark/bum on bum crime capital of the East Coast? I like how you say "I'm from New York, so by transitive property of state geography I must be liberal and tolerant. There's a pie chart somewhere that proves it." I shake my head at you sir, and all the dumb things you continue to say in this thread and on the rest of 12oz.
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Seriously.
I can't believe this guy is getting any love here of all places. Grown fucking men gushing over this clown.
I hope next time you try to jerk off you can't shake the image of Tomas Kinkade's neck wrapped around your dick while you imagine fucking the back of his face you great faggot.
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DROPBOX = COPBOX
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RIP white men with big 70's haircuts and beards being creative and painting.
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This to me is really interesting, and I'm learning about it the same time I'm sure a lot of you are.
Now i hope I've explained evolution well enough for you to understand that evolution is really just the thing that happens when you rub one object against another. oceans banging against rocky coasts and evolving into sandy beaches. Diamonds forming from intense heat and pressure being applied to rocks. The savanna is inhabited by a number of fast predatory animals so it makes sense for apes to adapt to living in trees. Evolution is just a biological reaction to a change in environmental circumstances. Something happened years and years ago for homosapiens to evolve from apes. He have less hair, longer legs, straighter backs, walk upright, and so on. Millions of years ago we were that rocky coastline that turned into a sandy beach. What evolutionary scientists are trying to determine is what elements carved us into our current form.
ONE theory that I would love to believe is true, is this theory: http://www.aquaticape.org/
The AQUATIC ape theory that suggests at some point in human history we decided to go swimming. At some point in human history we were trapped on an island or some place somewhere that we really needed to swim, which explains why we lost our hair, why our backs straightened out, why human babies have an innate sense to swim. I'm not saying any of it is true but considering that I spent a huge amount of my time swimming and free diving I'd like to imagine that I'm following in the footsteps of some ancient ancestor. The theory goes as far as to suggest that dolphins and homosapiens both evolved from this aquatic ape, which too is an interesting idea.
Thought id share http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liuE4bkNly0
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Slow news week
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I apologize that I have not updated in a long time. I've been trapped on the other side of this crazy log. Being vegan makes me dumb.
fixed.
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"Never inspect the motives of the guy who's writing your checks."
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Yeah I spent a couple months in cuba when I was 17, learning about the culture and history of the people. It was fun. I smoked and drank a lot and called it "cultural anthropology."
Yeah NOTHING in cuba is new. Not the buildings, the infrastructure (there's like 4 foot deep potholes in the middle of the road in downtown havana), the cars and CERTAINLY not the medical facilities. Maybe there was a high-tech medical wing that I didn't see, or maybe things have changed drastically since 04 but everything I did see was ancient looking and sea-foam green.
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I never thought michael moore did the actual healthcare debate any favors with that video. I've been in a cuban hospital before and it's nothing to brag about. All of the hospital equipment was mid-century hammy downs from soviet-era russia. And all of the medical professionals in cuba are working as maids in hotels because they made more money turning down tourist's beds than they did as surgeons and doctors.
Kinda wish the same thing would happen here. As it stands nurses make WAYYYYY too much money in this country for what they do, so the people who are supposed to be taking care of you are just there because it was either that or flipping burgers, and nursing payed more.
Its awkward because I know ten or twenty nurses and they're really nice people but I fucking hate every everyone in their profession. It's worse than being friends with cops.
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I just don't like being a post whore and having four or five posts in a row like I would if I didn't edit. After posting I realize that I should elaborate on something. When I edit a post i am NEVER responding to something someone posted after. I post, hit edit, proofread, click save, proofread again, hit edit, save, then hit refresh to see if anyone's posted.
the thing is that all throughout my posts in this thread i kept mentioning elementary school aged kids. i don't think it's cool for them to be taught anything sexual, whether it's homo or hetero. they aren't old enough to understand it. i also don't think they are old enough to understand why, as the article put it, a kid can have two moms or two dads.as far as older high school aged kids learning about the roles gays have played in the history of America, then whatever. i honestly can't say i even have a problem with that. there's academic value to it.
"Children will be taught to see homosexuality, bisexuality, cross-dressing, sex-change operations, and homosexual marriages as good and natural and perhaps even for them"
i barely like discussing the article because it's written with so much bias, but if i were to take that at face value, i would disagree that any young child should have to learn that. it's not that i think learning the opposite is any better like you might think i do Soup, but like i said above, elementary aged kids don't understand that stuff in the first place. save it for high school when kids can have more of an ability to agree or disagree and think for themselves
A couple more questions before I really get into it: What about african american history? I was taught about black history month, martin luther king, and kwanza when I was seven. Same age I learned about tug boats and dump trucks. Should I have received that education later in high school? I was taught about WWII and the holocaust and judiasm when I was 11. Did learning about those things adversely affect me and should've been taught at a later time?
Why this fear about teaching seven year olds about homosexuality the same way they teach black history? Imagine if Martin Luther King Jr. was a homosexual who fought instead for civil rights of gays. That's what they're going to do by adding Harvey Milk's story the curriculum. They'll teach that alongside the current curriculum on missionaries saving the souls of countless native americans, and columbus, a good christian man, was following god when he was the first to discover america. Not that native americans were wiped out by the white man and pagan vikings were the first to discover America. When you think about it, MOST of the current curriculum taught to children in elementary school is made up bullshit about the fake accomplishments of White Christian Americans and their ancestors.
Now like it or not children are hardwired be to gay, straight, or bi, at age two, and from age two onward those children are exploring what it means to be a man, what it means to be a woman, what they like about men, what they like about women, what they like about BEING a man, what they like about BEING a woman... none of which has ANYTHING to do with their actual physical gender. You may have kissed a boy when you were younger. Since you were quoting Louis C.K. earlier you might be familiar with the story of him sitting on his ten year old friend's back so he could help his friend rub one out. There aren't many things straight children ARENT allowed to do.... But for a gay kid, he's not allowed to do anything and that turns a perfectly normal gay kid into someone more likely to use drugs and commit suicide. Just ponder the possibility for a second that that was your child. You might think he's fine but how much of your school life did you share with your parents?
Lets be clear that my experience with gay children is limited. Contrary to belief I'm not gay. A bit femme, did some cross dressing when I was four or five, but that's it. My grandfather was gay, which makes me a quarter gay. And I'm sure you're wondering "How's that possible." Well, like all gay men of his time he was a closeted gay who went as far as he had to to remain in the closet, then taking out his emotional issues of being forced into a lifestyle he didn't want by beating the shit out of my dad his whole life so he had an insane set of psychological issues too. I have a theory that states you can rank the most violent countries by how homophobic they are. And if we were most accepting of gay people you wouldn't have psychos like my grandpa who killed more koreans than he could count.
I did have one gay friend who, not surprisingly was the FIRST to have a girlfriend already in second and third grade. He didn't come out of the closet until after high school, but I missed all that because i moved in 4th grade. Then in junior high i remember this one kid who also turned out to be gay, and he was the first kid at our school to get a girl to blow him. There's like this weird thing gay kids do of trying the hardest to be straight before giving up and admitting they're gay.
Now why do you think that is? Why do gay kids try so hard to be straight? You think it has something to do with the fact that they are not accepted ANYWHERE? Not at home, not in school, DEFINITELY not at church, which is sad because children should at least be able to feel safe at school. I know you're the other way about this, you feel like if a child could feel safe, it should be at HOME, but that's because you were middle to upper middle class white suburban who didn't live in a shitty neighborhood with bullets flying, cops barging into the house, mom getting smacked around by dad and so on. You probably didn't even have cultural diversity at your school. You probably didn't learn the word "nigger" the same time you lost your first tooth by some black kid accusing you of saying it and bashing your head into a concrete water faucet.
You probably didn't have friends in the third grade who were dealing with their grandma taking care of them and never getting to see their mom because she shot and killed their dad. Outside of your whitewashed suburban upbringing your idea that families should be the ones to teach ethics to children, not schools makes NO sense whatsoever.
Now the reason why I'm even debating all this is because once again the religious right is eroding constitutional rights for everyone else, all based on the bible. They're fighting a war on homosexuality just like they faught a war on black people, and before that they fought a war on feminism, and before that a war on the savages that were indigenous to america.... and the history goes thousands of years back.
You say "Im tolerant of homosexuals but don't teach that to my children."
Your parents said "I'm tolerant of hippies but don't bring that hippie shit into my schools."
Your grandpa said "Im tolerant of women and niggers, but don't teach them with white men."
Your great grandpa said "FUCK NIGGERS, FUCK WOMEN, AND FUCK FAGGOTS."
Can you fucking imagine where this country would be if we left everything up to the parents?! I just can't believe you'd actually say "just leave it all to the parents."
"Hey why do you believe there's a god?"
"My parents believe there's a god."
"Hey, why do you hate black people?"
"My parents hate black people"
"I'm glad you thought this through."
Most people wouldn't let their parents pick out a pair of fucking pants for them. You on the other hand will let them pick out semitic beliefs for you...and you wouldn't even want the public educational system to teach you differently.
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Also, here's the question you're avoiding:
WHY DONT YOU WANT HOMOSEXUAL TOLERANCE TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS?
you won't answer that question head on, you just keep resorting back to "Nothing should be taught in schools that the parents can teach themselves." And then you completely miss the irony that EVERYTHING in schools can be taught by the parents, so why have school at all?
So answer the question. The legislation in question has already been passed and will provide children an education on the role individuals (who happen to be gay) have played in the history of America. THAT'S IT. Answer why you have a problem with that. Or here I'll rephrase it for you,
THATS NOW in the california school curriculum. And according to you I have to be gay to be supportive of it. Why is that?
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Im not sure why you're so insecure about my post edits. They're generally for misspellings and grammatical errors or fixing word choices I'm not too keen on. I don't actually know if anyone has posted after me until I hit refresh. If its that big a deal for you, wait an hour for the edit time limit to run out.
Uh oh here comes an edit: I will say that if this is your new strategy of debating whether or not homosexual tolerance should be taught in schools I like it a lot more than your previous strategy. Yeah, attacking me personally is going to win you some serious debate points that nobody is keeping track of.
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It's cool man. Just accept it. You're a gay bashing homophobe. You have no idea what it even means to be tolerant of someone unlike yourself and you like things the way they are. You're also completely wrapped up in being a walking personification of male insecurity. That's your struggle. You're THAT guy.
im not suggesting all people encourage tolerance to their children, that wasn't an aspect of my argument really. what i was doing was asking the question of WHY people like you who want it to be taught in the classroom wouldn't rather just teach it themselves. i don't see an added benefit to them learning about it at school rather than home from their parents, unless some of you think an elementary school teacher is just better at teaching your kids morality and ethics.....in which case i wouldn't consider you cut out to be a good parentI want to print this out and put it on my refrigerator.
Also FYI, I've said this before but teaching kids morality is religious instruction. So no I wouldn't be teaching my kids how to be moral. I would teach them ethics. You obviously would get those two confused because you yourself have stated again and again that you don't go to church, and yet don't know the difference between religious idealism and polite social etiquette. I would also be teaching my kids the meaning of "irony," so they'll realize what i just said was a joke.
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Enhhh how would that be? Taxation without representation is unconstitutional. Taxation WITH representation is constitutional. And the ONLY way healthcare can be affordable to even the poorest American is if everyone pays into it.
To add to this, because healthcare reform isn't exactly a NEW topic watch this:
I've got to read up on what exactly this new bill is but I'll be back with a breakdown. I will admit that I'm an Obama supporter and the only reason why i have healthcare now is because of Obama's 2011 healthcare reform, so I am a little biased.
Also, healthcare is a BIG issue for all 2012 candidates and it's a topic that'll probably make or break this year's elections. For that reason I highly recommend doing your own reading: http://www.npr.org/templates/archives/archive.php?thingId=129913517
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My dinner at least once a week:
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What I want to see is someone gain muscle mass on a vegan diet. I want to see how going on a vegetarian diet provides better brain power, a better sleep cycle, more energy and strength and overall a better sense of wellbeing. If that doesn't happen it's absolute nonsense.
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Finding out if Ron paul was actually being racist is about as irrelevant to this election as finding out if santorums dying daughter's kooch has aids. He wasnt ever gonna win. Ron pauls entire existence is to rattle cages at the gop and up the tv ratings. Hes an idea man so the weirder the better.