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i remember about five or six years ago there was a website that had the top 10 most wanted graff writers in SF. i think it was something chuck had running. does anyone know if this site or anything comparable is still up? if so, whats the address? thanks.

oh do i know it. i wasnt really asking if they had them there...but since we're on the subject, do you know of anyother stores that carry them in the city? i went in there a few days back and they just laughed at me when i asked if they had run out (they werent in the normal place) and i was even gonna break bread for them!

on the subject of griffin: all y'all need to stop raggin on the griff. now i admit that it isnt super great ink, but it flows like magic threw Zig pens, drips like a horny bitch and sometimes the spreading looks sick as fuck. plus, for us poor writers its the best thing we can get. all that internet ordering just doesnt happen when youre jobless in a city that has one of the highest costs of living in the world. it really doesnt matter when everything gets painted over anyhow in a matter of weeks (if youre lucky). and alphredrock: props on the e-z-squeezies. definitely one of my favorite tools also. Flax, much?

i know a cat who got sent to a work camp for quite a long time. here graff is not looked upon too kindly, but jail time is WAY rare. usually it ends up that you have to do community service (generally buffing graff, which in a way is cool cos they take you to spots you may not have known existed).

i said way less than 1/3 thinner to paint. so yes, youre right. a third is too much. i know thats vague, but its because all of my mixtures are slight approximations. also ive found it varies depending on the brand of thinner, paint (even though you should just be using rusto), etc.

i guess you missed the part about needing cheap materials. im not like you, i dont have a job that affords me the luxury of mail ordering primo shit.

its really pretty easy. i dont have exact numbers but if you want it opaque use less than 1/3 thinner (by less i mean way less) to paint and gradually add more thinner till you get it a consistency you like.

) hmmm. this wasnt about permanency; sometimes i think its cool to get away from that...i just wanted to make pretty colors for as cheap as possible...as for using bucket paint i have been having the shittiest time finding face paint markers (my spot stopped carrying them cos they all went missing:confused: ) and kiwi's aint my bag so im stuck with gluemarkers, which isnt all bad at all. especially since i found a spot that no one even knows about.

I'M REALLY SORRY im really sorry if this has been asked and/or answered...im pretty sure it has, but i really tried to dig through all them old poasts and couldnt find it. really. i did. while tinting white griffin (marsh is much too pricey and the whole buying things over the internet freaks me out) what is the best type of paint/dye to use? basically, is griffin alcohol based or otherwise? i also need to know so i can thin it with the proper thinning agent and not seperate the components. i really appreciate folks puttin up with a question that very well could have been asked already. i wont do it again. promise.

in regards to alphredrock's question about muni panels and garvey: stains the FUCK outta them. leaves a way more colorful and visible ghost than anyother ink ive come across. omen...in SF they never give up on trying to buff them panels. its really just an excercise in futility on the MTAs part. oh and alphredrock...way to be a man and squash stupid internet beef. seriously. props. :lick:

yo omen, i try to keep pretty quiet on these boards cos i know graff transcends the internet, but an old NY saying for that mess talking kid:snitches and shittalkers get stiches and need walkers. word. anyone who poasts BST shit trying to be hard is a fool.

looks to me like one of them face paint markers or some such shit. you know, maybe one of those washable car markers (obviously its been refilled). or maybe just a cutty home made.

man, i never liked ultras or minis...i guess the handstyles ive developed just dont go with them...but i do love what other people put up while using them. they can be super fun if youre in a fan kinda mood but i always fucked up the nibs whenever i was trying to hit up anything other than panels or other supersmooth surfaces. i also jock drips hard so they were never quite juicy enough for me.

ahh. understood. but does that actually work? what does it do? just prevent the paint from going over it? not that i want to stand around smearing vaseline everytime i hit up...

p.jelly was your secretweapon? doesnt it thicken up your ink beyond belief?:confused:

you just get shit that bleeds. lots of inks do. i know for bushoppers griffin bleeds through buffpaint on panels. as does violet garvey. like most things though, it really depends on the type of paint they use to go over your shit. around here its almost ALWAYS paint (again the types of paint vary). too much graff for people to waste their time with buffing. and i dont give a shit about keeping my mouth shut.

of course no ones forcing me to buy it. that doesnt change the fact that its fucked up. and for the exact reasons you already mentioned. the shit is so easy to make on your own that 10 dollars for a shithole mop is absolutely exploiting some less knowledgable kid. just cos some kid doesnt know how to make krink cos no one taught them doesnt mean they deserve to get ripped off. or maybe im just too nice...

alot cheaper than what KR charges man that shit has me so heated. how can anyone in their true and proper mind sell a mop for 10 dollars? absolutely ridiculous. i sent KR (or whoever does his marketing) an email asking this question and all i got back was the nomal "bro, i barely make a dime. you're prolly just some kid blahblahblah." then dont sell the shit. i mean, isnt getting mad respect from writers good enough? or do you have to capitalize and exploit the fuck outta them too? :mad:

yeah. you do have to do the drip...its kinda fun, though. either way pilots aint for me. i have absolutely no problem with people spending money on supplies. im just a broke ass kid and so are most of the kids i write with. except for some of them but they get taxed for their supplies anyway. it also sucks not wanting to pay for paint but having all the stores in the city be hip to graff heads. makes it even harder when you dont have the car to drive out to the 'burbs...

time and effort? you unscrew the cap and pour some ink in. easypeasy. not to discredit what you say though, i personally dont dig pilots much. i prefer the zig glue pens and the facepaint markers. i jock the drips. i also dont get how you folks can afford to drop so much cash on supplies. i can barely afford to rack griffin (and racking is free!). maybe im just some broke ass city kid. but shit....

one more question. does anyone know what company makes the face paint markers? they're my favorite and i cant seem to find them anymore. thanks. nevermind. found it.

definitely didnt get any glue in the nib and i didnt bend it. right now im using a some blue rustoe paint thinned with mineral spirits, a little brake fluid and some other secret ingredients. ive used the mixture before and its worked in mops/other, bigger zigs...and the last time i had this problem was using krink...which shouldnt pose a problem seeing as how ive come pretty close to perfecting this recipe (it IS an easy one). as for the nib, i do aggree with the point you made about them feeling different. they seem harder, more condensed then the normal zigs...

anyone have experience with Zig Glue Markers...obviously i empty them and refill 'em but i was wondering if anyone has the problem where the sides of your handstyles are mad opaque but the center of each letter is not at all. it seems to be the same design as a normal Zig, but its smaller. and they just dont seem to work as well....maybe its just my mixtures?

my experience (which came AFTER you told me it was shit, maybe i didnt specify it was leather dye) was that all it takes is a little spit to buff it. it smears and smears and smears and then eventual (real quick) its gone. but that was also just the powdered dye mixed iwth hot water and some other random shit i found 'round the house.

damn. this is by far the greatest thing ive read on this board. i hopped once. made it about 12 hours before we got caught by a railcop. my absolute dream is to become a 'seasoned' hopper, or tramp (ive never heard that term before...i like it). sleeping outside, dumpstering goods and generally making good with what society discrads is a beautiful and truly freeing life. i cant wait to hear more of your stories and knowledge. thanks so much.