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yeah ok dude just cause youre finally not arguing with some 16 yr old, all of a sudden its 'futile' to argue...lol but it wasnt an argument anyway, it was me pointing out you being wrong. deal.

this arek shaken is a bangin taste of bmore long hands..i wish i had a nice DAVER flick to post seeks: i dont know what youre talking about, i think maybe you just still dont know the difference between a good and bad philly hand or something (further evidenced by you trying to correct a philly kid on what a wicked is called)...almost all the ones that have been posted from philly are good. as for people trying philly hands in detroit or elsewhere, i dont see any being posted, i just saw you whining about a grip of good philly ones. as for you not trying to do them, what do you want, a cookie? just post some detroit handstyles and move on

ps that ATLAS and SUNSET is banging and so is that silver RIME on brick in pittsburgh..he rocked a "kings catching wreck" hand next to that tag that was in a really live handstyle too

seeks you sound really misinformed about philly hands... "illegible unifrom scribbles"? puh-leaze and it can spelled "wickeds" or "wickets", SF1 is correct. i know you like to know it all, but honestly you should just not talk about it..we get it, youre not a fan, moving right along. post more

nahmean them "retartd" jawns is whylin

i love philadelphia

do i even know that guy? i should beat you up for your city spawning that michael moore dude lol

^^have me beat you? lol remember we tried to jack a tire off some car when we got straned in nj

those pdb dudes are really dope

fuse is pretty dope

hahah go internet, what a scam but yeah man my lil sister was living in corktown, i drive in, picked her up had dinner at some place called small plates, then ice cream at some place across the street from motor city brewery or something then i woke up and drove her home..no time for any hanging...but i wanna come back and paint, i liked the vibe of the city a lot...reminded me of pittsburgh 8 yrs ago. if i go back ill hit you up

i was in detroit for the first time this weekend, that city is pretty fucking cool. i wish i had time to do some painting, but was only out there for some family shit....but i gotta say that town is also pretty fuckin rugged and bombed out the people i saw most up were esau grim and ARMY by far. trutl too, but i guess that goes without saying.

you should really wait until *after* your little sister hits puberty before pimping her on graffiti websites.

yo lil twerp i dont know who you are, but leave my name out of any beef you have...xrae and nore showed up for a fight and didnt back down....some other people got involved that werent invited and fucked up the whole shit...dont spread shit if it aint your biz....the beef was squashed in regards to me. LMNO = leave my name out.

i think dudes str8 letters and fillins are banging....especially ill to see a piecer of his quality consistently do illegal shit....lots of people at his level of piecing wont go near anything illegal

those ARMS are dope

what about madagascar, yall? i heard they have the illest subway.

tencents being "sarcastic"...dude you blew up habits spot!!! but yeah, i too only recently learned about all the clean trains getting done in the states. i have maaaad catching up to do. also: what is interrailing? im not clear on what you all mean. (ps: this whole long discussion should be cut out of the wholetrain thing and stickied...i leanred a lot here...very friendly discussion. thanks all you europeans and europhiles.....i know nothing about australia either.....whats up, do people paint steel in africa?)

lol!! my original point was i thought there actually wasnt *less* trains here..but you all proved me wrong!! so im saying, i guess having less trains here just adds to my overall point from before: the difference in the way things developed + the huge gap in aftermarket media = less incentive to hit steel here, more incentive there. bottomline: we all would prolly fuck anna kournikova if given the chance.

well, i stand corrected then...but if thats true, that would prolly really contribute to the argument that theres also a lot less steel to actually paint here.

yeah i was gonna say, nG, how many of those are really authentic subway systems? i can think of like 6 or 7 MAJOR ones in europe, and about 5 or 6 in the states. of course in europe, theres waaaay more shit like trams and commuters...but if you count those trams, then theres also like 30 more systems i could think of in the US....that would mean philadelphia has about 6 transit systems not including the commuters. so, if you squeezed alllll of the US into the size of europe, i think youd be surprised to find that theres really not that big of a gap, honestly.

^^ i dunno, commuters maybe....but subways i dont think theres really *that* much more in europe. in the US theyre just spread out more....

fucking a!

dropofawish: no sorry needed..i knew you werent man! von schnabel: hmmm, also good points....kind of like the chicken and the egg..which came first. i think my theory is obviously way oversimplified, but i do haft say that as early as like 92, i was able to buy copies of mags like 'overkill' from germany when there was basically no graff mags in color at all in the states besides 'can control' graphotism also was around way early with full glossy color exposure. id agree transit IS valued way more..i guess i was getting at how/why that happened, or better yet *stopped happening* here. i thinks its a mix of things, but mostly, its the lack any after-market outlet for peoples work here. its no harder (and arguably easier) to actually *DO* transit steel in the US (and certainly less competition or crowds in yards)...but people still dont do it. i doubt any of the more levelheaded europeans really believe that americans are "scared"...do they? we are just as ballsy as any other writer, anywhere....as evidenced by the limits weve pushed street shit to.......so, if its not a matter of fear, what else could it be? i think there was simply a cultural divergence where the trains of early 80s nyc became a sort of holy grail/symbolic thing for all of europe (the hwole style wars thing). whereas americans have had graffiti in the city, growing organically, forever.....people like myself grew up seeing graffiti on street corners, rooftops, bridges, alleys...i never and never will see a panel in transit with my own eyes in philly. the first graffiti i ever saw on a train was in Dortmund in 1992. there really was no "oooh SEEN, amazing" moment for me...i didnt even see style wars until i was writing for like 3 years already. and lots of other americans are similar. add that formula to my theory about magazines and exposure and i think you get a clearer idea of how it simply isnt really ever explored as an option really here in the states. i dont think any of this is bad..its simply two different ways the cultures went. if anything, i think its fun to have both teams doing different things. i was on a busy street corner in philly last night doing fillins and it took me over an hour, having to stop and start for pedestrians and cars and police and what not.....and would i rather have been painting steel? not really. seeing all the crowds of rush hour people walking and driving past the fillins the next day felt much more like *my* graffiti roots than having a night photo sitting on my computer for me and my close friends to look at. both are cool, of course, but do you see how, based on my roots, my history, why one thing just appeals more? flicks of panels that never run are for you and other writers only. for me, graff on the streets is about everyone in a city, about adding to the whole melting pot, seeing things alive out there for everyone, not just me and a few other writers. if trains ran throughout the city, you can bank on the fact that id be painting the,....but thats my breeding, my history, thats what we were raised with. ones not better than the other, its just a different way of doing the same beautiful artform. fuck shit up forever.