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    12oz's current state makes me fap/complain

    in Channel Zero

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    Except that was never the plan. As I understand it, the plan all along was to archive this forum as a static document then migrate some/all of the user info to the new board. It sounds like a great idea, but I don't envision how it would work long term seeing as how links break, sites go defunct, get updated, absorbed into other sites, etc. So it's not a bad idea if you're just trying to preserve the text, but over time it's going to degrade as the web evolves.

     

    I said earlier that I don't really have a stake in this, but I'm not entirely sure that's true. I mean, I obviously have no say in what happens here in an administrative capacity, but in a sense the content that I contributed and the time I've spent here can be viewed as a form of equity...I'm not trying to cash in on that, I never could. I do wish that what I've brought to the table (along with everyone else) could be seen as more than idle chit chat, but that's really in the eye of the beholder.

     

    What really frustrates me is being 99% convinced that the cost of one print run of Complex Magazine would easily cover the costs that it would take to get 12 oz updated and running the way it should be. As a dedicated anti-capitalist, it really burns me to realize that the goal of CMN has nothing to do with supporting culture- the name of the game is using subcultures to support marketing ventures that have everything to do with getting paid and very little to do with furthering graffiti as a cultural form.

     

    And I think a lot of you should be angry about that too...another way of looking at the issue is that this company indirectly makes money off your hard work and talent every time someone links a photo of something that you painted or tagged on to Brickslayers. How does that feel? Some of you probably don't care, and in a way I don't blame you since any press is good press...but think about what's really going on here the next time you can't log in. Then head over to the front page, and tell me how many thinly veiled ads you see....get my drift?

     

    For the record, I don't view Raven and the rest of the crew as culture vultures but once you see things for what they really are it's kind of hard to ignore.

     

     

    I thought the original plan was to migrate this forum into a new forum? It's been too long since I've been "in the loop" in that other place.

     

    I think Mark Ecko probably has the funds to make improvements to this forum in his front pocket.

    12oz's current state makes me fap/complain

    in Channel Zero

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    I think that it's been well established that we see the world differently...I'm not mad about that so much as being part of something that was one thing at one point that evolved into something completely different over time with very little disclosure. That has nothing to do with you personally, if you're okay with that then I think the forum is big enough to accommodate differing opinions. I personally don't like it, I think graffiti is bigger than marketing trends but I might be in the minority as far as that goes.

     

    However, I type pretty fast despite never actually learning how to type so there.

     

    You can Google Complex magazine...the gist of it is that it's Marc Ecko's venture which has absorbed several sites including 12 oz. Feel free to take that as you will.

     

    I think we have well and truly established you and I live a different life, Shai. But we also respect each others. At the end of the day, where there's a dollar to be made, a soul will be sold. When I said I 'lost thousands' I didn't mean 'props' I mean money. Because people move, they change, they shift.

     

    I will respectfully decline the offer of Googlin' complex magazine.

     

     

    Now kiss!

    12oz's current state makes me fap/complain

    in Channel Zero

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    My guess is that the ads were successful, and that's why there's so many of them now. Not only that, I don't recall there being any guarantee that the ad revenue that 12 oz generated would be earmarked strictly for developing 12 oz...sure, that was implied, but if ComplexMedia has a controlling interest (?) they could just say "well, we need this money for other things" and 12 oz gets the hind tit.

     

    The reason it's still here is because even if your car is totally fucked up, it's still useful as long as it gets you to and from work...and in the same way, as long as people continue to visit the forum and generate traffic, whose interests would it serve to turn off a money maker?

     

    I don't know what I feel...I wasn't promised anything, and when it comes down to it 12 oz is not a necessity in my life nor do I have any real stake in it. I'm not happy about how things are going and haven't been for some time...I've repeatedly said so and offered my input as to what would improve the situation, and not much has been done with that input. So I feel like I did what I could, and it's out of my hands.

     

    That's easy to say that if you don't know the whole story, so I'll fill in some of the blanks. I'll try to be as informative as I can without revealing certain details I was asked to keep private.

     

    This version of the forum is around seven years old. It's survived one serious crash, and was migrated to new hardware after that. The software the forum runs on was released November 22, 2006. There are tons of existing and effective exploits that can run on this platform, hence the spam problem and why Google lists 12 oz as a compromised site...because for all intents and purposes, it is a compromised site. That doesn't mean it's dangerous to use, but I wouldn't recommend clicking on any of the spam links.

     

    We (me, casek, and a few others) were asked to help with the transition to a new site in 2009. So far, everything has been rolled out except for the forum....the reason for this being that Raven wants to import certain data sets from here to the new forum. This seems to be the sticking point...meanwhile, things keep breaking on this forum (notably the login)...so instead of devoting 100% of their attention to migrating the database, they have to patch things, which occasionally breaks other things, then those things need to be fixed, etc.

     

    At this point I'm all for archiving this forum, bringing the new one online, and sending an email out to all of the users saying "The old board was so fucked up that we decided to freeze it and roll out the new one as a clean slate....so we encourage you to register on the new forum, and if you had a premium account let us know and we'll upgrade you as soon as we confirm that." I also feel that the data migration wasn't a bad idea, but it's taking way too long and has turned out to be an enormous headache.

     

    Until then, we're stuck with this version of the forum- which wouldn't be all that bad if it weren't so busted, but it is...and some of the people who were asked to assist with the transition feel a little let down with the way things have played out over the past couple of years. It's gotten to the point where it's more about accountability and demonstrating that 12 oz actually gives a shit about its users, but when we ask what's going on it sometimes takes months to get an answer.

     

    So when some of us bitch, it's not because we don't have anything better to do....we do. It's that we want to what we were asked to do, not damage control.

     

     

    This sums it up nicely, Shai. I feel more let down than anything. I love this place and am grateful to Raven and crew for all that they have done, all the great people I've met due to 12oz, and the learning experiences.

     

    To come back after giving up on being able to log in after over a year and see the site even more busted than when I left is just sad. It's like they gave up on something that could have been so much more. Raven's plans for this place had me excited and I was genuinely happy to play a small role in making that happen for a site that I love.

     

    I completely agree about archiving this forum and rolling out the new and improved forum. That would have been a better choice even though I understand them wanting to keep this one and try to fix shit...so much history here.

    12oz's current state makes me fap/complain

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    So I take it you aren't happy to be back?

     

    It's all a matter of perspective...either the forum is broken, or it's a challenge. Since I don't think that was intentional, I'll have to side with "broken."

     

    I blame the economy. Raven probably has to work six jobs to keep this place afloat, which makes it impossible for him to participate and see first hand how badly things have deteriorated.

     

     

    You know as well as I do that work was put in to get ad dollars for the sole purpose of expanding and making better. I would be understanding of a few months, but more than a year has gone by and now it seems like "why is this even here?". I know Raven did care at one time, had big dreams and bigger hopes for this place, as did all of us. Now it just seems like the baby died and all that's left is a broken forum.

     

     

    This is a forum with over 17k registered users and a lot of ads.

     

     

     

    I don't know the people who run this thing, and do not want to offend anyone,

    but really, it's embarassing what this place has become.

    I mean how can it be that people aren't even able to log in regularly?

    This is going on for months, for fucks sake!

    I have never seen a thread made by some mods, explaining or clarifying all those hickups.

     

    In their defense, there is a sticky from Raven talking about how they hired a new guy

    to fix/implement things, but there was a guy named Wanga who fixed it. I'm just pissed because they let more than half the members go because the site (forum side) is broken

    and has been broken for a long ass time. I have an account that I've been trying to log in with for over a year.

    12oz's current state makes me fap/complain

    in Channel Zero

    Posted

    The OONTZ' can be compared to a woman, flowing with a bountiful of content one moment. Then there are times she will be arid and leave you wanting. Therefore that leaves you with the job of making her moist and joyous.

     

    What the hell am I even talkin aboout, damn Im buzzed.................................. Real talk there needs to be something done about these full screen ads. Like, "Damn my notebook screen cant even contain this giant ass ad - - - - - " , thats me minimizing my screen because a huge dockers ad is taking up my whole fucking screen! Like damn nurgah I havent needed dockers since my highschool graduation pics and that one time I was a telemarketer.

     

    On the realz besides the ad's we are the solution to the downfall of the oontz'.

    (someone needs to inform mark eckos ass about this shiat.)

     

    "I got my trojans and my boxers on, at school I got my dockers on"

     

     

    I'll tell you what the real problem is. The real problem is promises over 2 years old, people in the background putting in work expecting those promises to be fulfilled only one day you open up your favorite forum and it's fucking broken like a trap house.

     

    It's a let down to those who worked for free to get that site advertising dollars by begging members to "click the ads, support the site you love".

     

     

    No offense to Raven and crew, but goddammit, you let your baby turn into a broken machine. This was the number one site on the internet for graffiti. Hits, content, all that.

    the un official workout thread

    in Lifestyle

    Posted

    started doing kettle bells and battle ropes shit is fun but damn does it break you down and make you feel like a little bitch

     

     

    I picked up a kettlebell last week. It's a nice change from the normal lifts and damn does it

    make you feel it.

     

    monkey army for life.

    Best man Speesh...

    in Channel Zero

    Posted

    Already commented on this, but I thought it was pretty funny. I dug the off the cuff comments

    and apparently so did the rest of your audience. You came off as a little nervous at the beginning but finally settled into it by the middle.

    12oz prophet reddit presence

    in Channel Zero

    Posted

    r/graffiti is a complete laugh factory of PG and BS rejects

     

    Well, that and people who kinda mean well but see a stencil by some undergraduate art major and are like "very cool graffiti!!"

     

    You can find neat stuff all over the site, but you wanna dig beyond the front page...then of course there's the bad stuff, such as the links above. r/rapingwomen or r/womenbeingraped whatever the fuck also sticks out...plus they had a jailbait section that was a haven for some real creeps

     

     

    I could not agree more about r/graffiti. It's terrible. Banksey is looked upon as some dope ass original graffiti, no, I'm sorry, street artist and people who post stuff from real writers are told "you can't read that", "it's ugly", and my favorite "fuck people who vandalize others property".

     

     

    I hope you guys who are checking out r/12ozprophet decide to stick around. Turn it into your own place and promote this website that you love to come to. Reddit has a bunch of interesting stuff to offer, and like crimestoppers said, there's bad stuff there, but there are also a lot of really good people there and some very cool subreddits.

     

     

    Some of my favorites are:

     

    http://www.reddit.com/r/Documentaries/

     

    http://www.reddit.com/r/emptyewe/

     

    http://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/

     

    http://www.reddit.com/r/gardening/

    (yes, I have a garden)

     

    http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/

     

    http://www.reddit.com/r/opieandanthony/

    the un official workout thread

    in Lifestyle

    Posted

    Farmer walks are where you just take a couple heavy DB's and walk back and forth, right?

     

    I've done those and loved them, but a lot of times it's hard to find a long enough open space to do them.

    I guess I could take the DB's to the indoor soccer field next to the weight room and do them..

     

     

    There are also specific bars for them.

     

    farmers-walk-handles-h1.jpg

    12oz prophet reddit presence

    in Channel Zero

    Posted

    it won't be for long. casek made me moderator so i'll start posting some shit soon. the links were, im told, just to have some content. in a while it will grow, with everyones help.

     

    you fagets are all required to join and post shit too...whatever the fuck you want....sorta

     

     

    I'm going to remove myself as moderator soon. It will be all yours.

    12oz prophet reddit presence

    in Channel Zero

    Posted

    So reddit is just links to threads on 12oz? It's like a middle man?

     

     

    Sorry I didn't explain. I created that to give 12oz a web presence and just dropped some 12oz content on there to stay true to 12oz and Raven. I didn't mean it as adverts just for 12oz, just filler. What I kind of expect to see is the true shit I've grown to love on 12oz. Bricks, rails, and drippy ass mops. Everything that http://www.reddit.com/r/graffiti isn't and everything that 12ozprophet.com is.

     

    As of right now Crimestoppers is in charge. I'd like to see him get more moderators and members, get the banner in working order (stretched to fit properly), and basically show

    people what 12oz is about. That's all up to him, though. I'll stick around for a minute and help post some content, but I was just making a placeholder to ensure that someone trustworthy could take over and do it the right way and not give 12oz a bad name.

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