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He was part of it, but so was all the work the NAACP had done for Brown v. The Board of Education, the SNCC (Students NonViolent Coordinating Committee) Sit Ins that spread across the south, CORE (Congress of Racial Equality) and SNCC Freedom Rides, and the SNCC/SCLC( the SCLC was Kings group) marches from Montgomery to Selma. All these things built on the next one, and each time there were images of non-violent protesters being brutalized. The U.S. couldnt afford this in the Cold War and people in the U.S. knew this was wrong and were getting angrier, so the U.S. moved on it and Johnson pushed the bill through congress after Kennedy's assasination. King was the figurehead of the movement and maybe without his skills and charisma it wouldnt have happened like it did, but a lot of other groups played just as strong a role and many didnt agree with Kings way of leading the movement. SNCC wanted to have a more democratic movement that emphasized grassroots leadership, so that even if one leader faded out or died, all wouldnt be lost, it would keep going. The SCLC was pretty much the opposite of this, a group of southern ministers who acted as a rubber stamp for King (although thats not realy a bad thing) and didnt emphasize building up so much grassroots leadership, but instead just had King show up in communities and organize events.

I agree with what your saying, but Im just trying to point out that it shouldnt be so astonishing that they do now.....all they had to do was renaim there organization boards, leaders, militias, etc. etc. into mayors, city councils, police, military, etc. Fatah dosnt really control anything in Gaza your right, and if Israel pulled out of the West Bank they wouldnt control much of it either. Iran does have the 2nd largest oil reserves, Iraq is third, but it dosnt really matter if your second or third or fifth...you still got a lot of oil

What determines whether a protest or movement suceeds non-violently vs. violently depends on the circumstances of the protest/movement. What it is asking for?Where is it taking place?How does it effect Domestic Politics?How does it play in International Politics? And the list could go on forever. For instance part of the reason King and the Civil Rights movement were so successful, besides having practical demands and a solid organization (Although the SCLC had a rivalry with SNCC, which in turn both had a rivalry with the NAACP), is because the US was in the cold war. The US couldnt afford to keep having terrible news and pictures coming out of Selma and the rest of the south at a time when the US was trying to convince countries, often in Africa, not to side with the Soviets. Division within movements isnt always a bad thing either. The Civil Rights Act was passed because of the outbreak of race riots, the rise of Malcom X, etc. The US Government was afraid the situation was going to spin further out of control so they gave into the moderate demands and passed the Civil Rights Act. So I guess what Im saying is that change CAN be brought about with non-violence today and probably more so than many times in history, but its all up to the circumstances. One last thought----With globalization and complex interdependence it also means that states can use economic options to get other states to do something. Also, beacuse of nuclear weapons and mutually assured destruction we cant really have another world war again. "Most of the demonstrations I have attended (a few of which have been 2-300,000 people or more) have been quite divided. Almost all of the people are there for the same reason but they all have different ways of achieving it. Its still divided, and because of that, things rarely get done." What were these about?

1. Hamas has virtually been a government and a military even before they took control of Gaza. They won the elections because there a well run organization with a huge infrastructure that was able to provide Palestinians throughout the territories with schools, hospitals, food, etc for years, while Fatah continued to be corrupt and neglect its people. If it wasnt for the Israeli pressure on them in the West Bank everyone knows Hamas would have taken it too. Also Fox news probably isnt the best place to get objective news on the mid-east 2. Irans allowed to have nuclear power and there allowed to enrich uranium, but many have been suspicious because why the hell do they want a nuclear power plant when they have the second largest oil reserves in the world. Ironically the Iranians do end up importing a lot of oil because their refinerieds can meet the countries demands. Even so they could have spent the tremendous amounts that theyve been blowing on some stupid nuclear program to update their refineries and solve the problem like that. And just because they dont have a nuclear WEAPONS program now dosnt mean they cant transfer all their enriched uranium into one in the future. However, Bush and Cheney are assholes and the next President better run to bargaining table with Iran so that dosnt happen.. And all these conspiracy theories are tiring.

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