27 dead in elementary school shooting in Channel Zero Posted December 17, 2012 Also it's interesting to me how you're so anti-government and yet simultaneously seem to think that people should and will obey these laws chapter and verse, and any who don't will be fairly prosecuted. Just because a law says something doesn't mean people are going to follow it...isn't that what you've been harping about in this whole thread with regard to gun control and drugs and all that? Oh haha, never mind, it's because in your mind there is no such thing as an irresponsible gun owner. I dont think people should follow this because its 'the law' i think people follow this because it respects other peoples rights. all stand your ground laws do is reinforce ones rights. they do not infringe on them. some of yall act like a stand your ground law is carte blanche to blow away someone looking at you side ways. they only change one thing, the duty to retreat. sure, some people wont 'follow' this law just like they wont follow your law that restricts 'clip' capacity. ijust like some people wont follow murder laws. if they do not follow basic moral precepts for using self defense they are just another murderer. but you miss an important part of the equation, people acting in self defense go to extreme length's, for some reason, to obey the law. i continually have conversations with permit holders who would rather cut off their left nut than to carry a firearm for protection in a place where it is prohibited. they actually can sometimes go into more hysterics than people like you do when someone talks about using a gun in self defense. if you actually know people in the gun culture, you'll find out that they have this absurd worshipping and almost idolatry of the law. its why they get so mad when a new gun laws are passed, because they are the only ones that will be following them. its a great error think that these people who are already thoroughly vetted through all the mechanisms that you like are going to be scared shitless to break a minor firearms law and then whip out their boom sticks and blast people for looking at them cross ways from 2 city blocks away. your posts demonstrate one thing very clearly. you do not understand the real gun culture of self defense in america. if you dont understand something, you look like a buffoon when talking about it.