Pharaoh145th
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Peace Party People,
I'm back too and will hopefully bring back some others old and new. I'll try not to be an asshole this time.
First Challenge... read through these first 5 pages of comments. I used to get on here while slacking at work but I literally have almost zero time these days.
- DASH
Somehow I still remember my "signature"...
"True Masters Respect The Craft"
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God to see Kepos back spraying, and Dekay dropping telling the war stories.
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that 2Kool is hard. who did that?
2KOOL TC5
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I also wondered who did these characters Kyle 156 or Koze IBM? I know there is the 156 give away, but they got the same style as the ones on the infamous IBMasters whole car by Poke and Koze......
KOZE FC/IBM
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tean with the checkerboard splash cloud. i met a kid once (in the 90s) who said he invented that. obviously i didnt believe him, but its funny that he thought he really invented it.
You shoulda whooped his ass bro.
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I would put that money back in your pocket if I was you. The color in those pictures are very off. That is Jungle Green around the Web and background behind the Ven is Fed Green. You cats are all over the Jungle Green but it's all about the Cascade Green in the Ven piece. That was the hottest and rarest color on the car at the time this was painted.
Good Point, the colors got all fucked up in this pic. The Jungle and Fed Green look the same. I couldnt even tell that was Cascade in yours. Looks like Cascade Polka-Dots in that other WANE panel too.
Jungle Green was not the best krylon color ever made. It was definitely a nice bright color, but had a really horrible coat if you wanted to fill with it. Parrot Green was even worse, almost as bad as floral paint.
Most of these kids that stress jungle green so hard never actually used it.
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Zed, That dude may be losing his memory.
My money is on Rusto "Speedy Dry" Lime Green. Fed Safety Green is the color in those 2 HIMS and WANE Panels.
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Damn I been off this site for mad long and come back to see toys still crying about the same shit. How do my dudes put up with it?
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Yo i did not post that toy shit with my comment. What the fuck?
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2NEAR CYA/TC5 = Ken Swift older Brother
2MAD = CYA Prez
2WISE CYA/ROC = Bil Blast RSC
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heard he passed, cant confirm...if so R.I.P.
The 1st pic is RASTA RTW, the 2nd pic is RASTA CIA who unfortunately, has recently passed.
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Its Amazing looking through this thread and seeing how quickly the letters developed. By the time 83 rolled around everthing had already been done, and the foundation to everything that is done today had already been laid out. Its humbing to see. When I consider all the innovation that happened during this period I realize how insignificant the stuff done today is in comparison, including my own....arrows, loops connections, falling bits, 3D highlights, un-outlined tilted 3D...the list goes on...Amazing how the competition pushed style so far in so little time..I wish kids could see this and appreciate and give the respect due.
^^ Probably the realest shit I ever read on this site.
Many of us share and propagate4 that sentiment.
I'd say it was has all been done by 79. Then PERFECTED by 83.
In my opinion, even the dopest shit from 84-88 never quite measured up to the Golden Age. And even including 88 is a stretch cuz only a handfull were still doing decent shit.
Some have said graff stopped mattering after the trains, I say graff (Stylewise) after stopped mattering after the 1's, 2's. 5's. (86-87).
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yo xmen crew, this is sivel typin under factos name, dont get into any confrontations with my boy DASH! OR ANY OF HIS PEEPS! YO DASH GET AT ME I TRIED TO EMAIL YOU AWHILE AGO,aFTER I SPOKE WITH AKME OUT IN SCOTTLAND, ITS SAYS NO GOOD ON THE PHAROE ADDRESSE! SO to my crew silence, let me handle this DASH IS MY BOY!!!
Sivel, thanks to you and Page for reaching out.
Take down ur email from the site tho, I got it now and Im gonna hit u up this week.
peace yall
D167
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hey bem you stupid bitch plee fresh and stane aka akbar brought xmen from ny in the mid 80's xmen has been one if not the top crew in chicago for 20 years, they were known for having the biggest bombers/illegal piecers from the 80's to now, history will judge if this legacy will remain the same. one love chitown.
Ok, so "bringing" a crew over from NYC to anywhere else requires first that the kids who "brought" it were actually DOWN, and secondly, that the prez gave them power to start a new chapter in the place where they moved to or whatever.
SO, since I am in communication with both the Prez and Vice Prez of Brooklyn's Original XMEN CREW, I will ask both of them if they ever heard of and gave power to any of the the 3 individuals you mentioned above.
If neither of them vouches for the 3, then we will natuarally deduce that those kids pulled the wool over your eyes in Chicago.
I ain't laying any blame, YET, and it may come to pass that there might not be any to lay, but since "MOKOES" trying to come out his face at the mere mention of the Original XMEN, I being a member of the XMEN will see what I can do to humble him.
I would love to find out that those dudes were actually down, cuz it would be one of the few times that a crew wasn't actually jacked, like it happens in so many other occasions.
But on the real, I started going to Chicago in 93, and I hung out with some offical cats (Trixter, Ages, Triple, Severe, Sivel) and NOBODY ever mentioned a Chicago based XMEN Crew.
Page, I sent you a PM to try and avoid a spectacle, but i guess one of your boys got hot under the collar and try to diss my man BEM just for pointing out the truth.
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*FCKINGS/XMENTAL*
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The date on this flick is wrong, this is actually 1985.
"FC goes to Hollywod" starring: West and Serge.
This is the wall that introduced the west coast to Real Letters, BBoy Characters and the Liquitex Cap, or as they call them "NY Skinnys".
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okay mr.40 yr old i live on the internet feeling threatened by anyone who gets any kind of props,first off ive been writin since the 80s and i learned from dudes from NY, if you took youre time to talk to anyone who knows me you would know that ive been rockin the same type of styles waaaay before the internet came out,granted the dudes i learned from were probably heavily influenced by FBA etc.,but whatever, i flip shit my own way,yeah DBM was a crew that started in 1995 (again pre-internet) before any of us knew about IBM,it stands for Dollerz Being Made and it wasnt a graff crew it was about gettin money,nobody wishes they was down with you believe,so yeah cmon back and reply how tuff you are and blazay blah your usual M.O.,but how come if you had such a big problem with me you saw me twice at Fame City and you didnt say shit to me?whatever dude instead of tryin to son me on the internet pmk me or approach me when youb see me,Im not some little kid who scared of big bad dash the karate master,why are you so salty anyway?
-BIG TOMBS DBMobb
Kid, don't sweat yourself. Threatened, BY YOU? How COULD I be?
Why you so souped, the only dap you getting is from your OWN crew on this website.
You ain't nobody for me to waste time asking about shit. All I see is you throwing some fake FBA arrows and TC5 extensions on your piece, and that ain't "Flipping shit your own way". TC5 FBA FC IBMOS shit been published in books, way before magazines, way before videos and defenitley way before the internet, so stop acting.
I wasnt dissing DBM for being 1 letter away from IBM, that shit dont even bother me. I was dissing YOU for trying to piece like us. Either that went over all your heads or ya'll are just mad insecure.
You say you dont wanna be down, but action speak louder than words, every time u try to run our style, you just look more on the dick.
Come on now, you know I dont have to say shit about what I do, I leave that for the internet chumps who make me out to be the boogie man. I talk greasy if i feel like it simply BECAUSE I CAN. Believe that.
Trust me I aint ever see you up there in Connecticut, and you're a herb for even referring to that place as Fame City like the local toys do. The one I met there was MISE and another guy who's name I forget.
I'm not the one having a problem here, YOU ARE. Your in denial, and your tight cuz i called you a BITER, and its huritng your ego. Instead of making up excuses, challenge yourself to go rock some ORIGINAL shit and stop leaning on my crew like we was a pair of crutches. Then you might get some real props.
I wasn't trying to son you,and I still aint, but you leave yourself wide open. I was actually snapping on BEM, because in '07 even an old school cat like him would stoop to celebrate mediocrity and plagerism.
You know I already had contacted you privately on your page. You and another dbm guy. I told ya'll both the same shit "CHILL WITH THE BITING SHIT" and neither of yous had a response to that. Instead you decided to complain to my man RISK when he deleted you from his friends list. You only coming out your face now, cuz this commentary became public.
Graff is public and it's your own fault if you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar, now you act like I'm wrong for calling a spade a spade.
Yeah I aint scared of Karate either, thats a sport for hyperactive 6 year olds.
And I aint salty about nothiing, I just don't tolerate uninvited guests eating from my plate.
Oh Yeah, and stop bumping the FAME CITY thread.
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and tomb be showin some true school flavorz (kinda reminds me of that old 1 line fba ibm type funk)
props to the niggas that are doing their thang
MISE IS SHOWING POTENTIAL, TOO BAD THAT FOR EVERY STEP HE TAKES FORWARD, HIS CREW PULL HIM 2 STEPS BACK.
BEM, TOMB "KINDA REMINDS YOU"?? MORE LIKE IT'S A BLATENT ATTEMPT, RESULTING IN A CHEAP ASS IMITATION.
YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN TO APPLAUD KIDS FOR BITING THE STYLE OF A CREW, TIME, AND PLACE THAT THEY ARE NOT EVEN REMOTELY ASSOCIATED WITH.
I HATE THIS ERA OF HAND HOLDIN, ASS PATTING, AND DICK RIDING GRAFF.
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FAR BEYOND ANYONE
IDOLIZED BY MILLIONS
YES, THAT'S I.B.M. NOT dbm. NO MATTER HOW BAD YOU WISH IT OR HOW MANY TIMES YOU CLICK YOUR HEELS.
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Oh Brother!
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little more than fishing,caught this one out on christiania copenhagen denmark with raw from germany
enjoy!
156 working with the fake FC from europe is not a good look.
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Ahhh, if only all the posts were like this..
Thanks ZED.
* For some reason, I am unable to edit my previous post, but just wanted to clarify my typo..
TAKI 183 tagged up in summer of 1970, not 71. My apologies, typing too fast.
my passion is trains. i dont really go after the walls with the same conviction - which is by choice. for the trains is where you really see the culture go from just "wall writing" to actual culture - which is not entirely true, but for me in my little world, that is the case. yeah the philly thing is a tuff nut to crack because there is very little photographic evidence. and of that very little, there is an even smaller amount that is readily available. but a few key resources that support the fact that philly predated ny are:-Jack stewarts dissertation on subway graffiti. well its a dissertation so you know he exhausted the subject and he has a whole chapter on philly in the 60s. he states the trains in philly were drenched with tags when in NY they were still completely clean. he also states, and this is the missing link and what seperates our graffiti from all the other graffiti that predates it (well almost all), Cornbread and his contemporaries bombing but and el routes. literally walking the entire route and hitting the buildings visable from the windows. this was early - mid 60s. somewhere along the line (no pun intended) they decided to hit the actual vehicle (train or bus) because they figured the moving vehicle had a much larger audience that any fixed location. there is quite a good explaination of it all including who was involved, some poor photos, dates etc. if you dont already have it this shit is a must have. if you need info PM me and I can tell you how to get it.
- A little video that came out of philly about 10 years ago called repeat offender has an interview with cornbread. i havent watched it in a while but i know he talks about that era in detail and gioves dates, as far back as the early 60s kids were getting up in philly. but i dont think the trains got hit until 64 or 65. come to think of it i probably should transfer that shit to dvd.
- espo did an awesome job of discussing philly in taogo. again he puts the dates in the early 60s, and if i remember correctly possibly even the late 50s
-i forgot all about west side story. leave it to pharoah to keep me frosty.
but one of the best interviews i have ever seen was in videograff1 - the interview with pahse2he talks about how tags began to appear on broadway while all the other lines were clean. another must when it comes to train history.
i said "almost all" earlier because a brand of graffiti whose historic significance is almost always overlooked, even more than gang graffiti and even by Ph.D. Jack Stewart is hobo graffiti on freights which dates back to before the great depression. Hobos and rail workers were getting up on freights for decades before philly and la gangs. this is actually the first real 'getting up' graffiti because you had all the required elements. you had a personalized or styleised word written frequently in an attempt to gain noteriaty within a specific culture.
believe it or not i have friends that hold the notion that these hobos influenced the early philly heads. i dont tend to agree - but it is possible. just imagine all those old philly heads chillin at west falls looking at freights back in the 60s seeing tons of 'JB King Esquire' monikers. who knows, maybe it sparked something. and so the eternal quest for knowledge grinds on.
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Don't worry, I pull my pud everywhere. Just pointing out the fact the New Yorker's HATE. Aside from all the Kilroy type graff, LA was the first America city to use a spray can to write their name in a stylized manner. Spray paint has only been around since the 50's, but cholo styles are older than that. Soooo, LA started it in the 50's, get ZERO credit, while Philly get full credit for creating modern day graff in '67. Credit from everyone except New Yorkers, of course. :D :D :D
I don't think NY'ers HATE that (fiction) statement. I think it's all the lackies from everywhere else that are preocupied with trying to scvaenge whatever crumb of legitimacy they can muster up, in typical copycat/wannabe fashion.
Without taking it back any further than the 20th century,... If you want to count Gang Writing as graff, (which would be erroneus) then explore the fact that NYC had prolific gang graffiti dating WAYYY before the 50's. In fact it was so commonplace throughout those decades that by 1961 gang writing made it all the way to the sets and opening credits of West Side Story, a major hollywood release. (LA/ Hollywood imitating NY)
In 1971 TAKI 183 stated that HE began putting up his tag, away from his block, in the summer of 1971, but that he got the idea when he saw JULIO 204 (away from HIS block) a few years prior in 1967.
So already in 1967 JULIO 204 was bombing.
I'm not sure when Cornbread claims he started writing in philly, but to say it was before NYC, it has to be at least prior to 67, and with eye witnesses or documentation, or else it don't count. Anyway, to ME, if Cornbread is Graff, then KILROY is graff.
Many young people in many cities have wrote on walls for different reasons, but the youth culture of GETTING YOUR NAME UP is undisputably a New York Thang.
Zed, yes I conciously left out Philly cause I'm still not convinced, but I know you can shed more light.
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One good thing about the internet:
Golden Boy as Anthony Cool is easy to find now.
That "Hip Hop: Illustrated History....." is out of print and goes for $200+ sometimes...
Word, mad cheap too! Someone should buy every copy on amazon and distribute to the toys it like the jehova witness do with their shit.
Damn, you wasn't kidding about Hip Hop: The Illustrated history...!!
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I found this a few years ago in a crown heights salvation army.. 1972
This was another one of my hidden hidden treasures... The text thoroughly investigates the origin, meaning and importance of nicknames, aliases, street names of kids in the mid 60's.
This is one of those books that had me mad hyped that I had joined the ranks of kids who wrote their name on shit.
Anyone remember the books FRESH, and HiP HOP: The Illustrated History of Breakdancing, Graffiti and Rap Music?
From ages 12-14 I was lucky enough to stumble upon all these books on my obsessive graff archeological missions. Reading some of the History and Sociolgical analysis written by educated adults of the time made me feel that Graff was deeper than "just writing my name". It made me respect the craft much more and strive that much harder to excell.
Back then there was very little in terms of reading material available, and writers started mad younger, but somehow we understood, appreciated and were inspired by HISTORY. Maybe it's because it was fun and interseting to go home and read about the thing you spent all day doing.
Compared to the toys of today, who start writing at an older age so they should be able to reason better the idea of Time, Space and Relativity, and have TONS and TONS of reference material available to research, yet they still remain deaf, dumb and blind, make retarded comments on public forums, and think they are kings while they continue to put up their slop in the streets, legal and illegal.
I just don't get it, I knew the human race had been De-volving since the fall of Egypt, Greece and Rome, but damn, today's young writers are racing to be the 1st to reach the all time low.
It reminds me of one time that a bunch of guys were breaking in the street and we were explaining to a young b-boy that he was dancing way off beat. he didnt wanna hear it, so i turned off the boombox and he just kept breaking with no music. The whole circle started to laugh at the kid and then he screamed in frustation "I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE BEAT"!!! Right there everyone knew that the new jack generation was not worthy of carrying the torch, and that's exactly whats happening in Graff now.
Burners and Style!
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Mic Check...
One that was on my computer from a few years back.
Not a burner, but def some style.